VIP prizes change - no more scrolls please!

blag001

Just a sugestion for the VIP program.

Change the drop of Identification Scrolls for something else. 25 ID Scrolls a day became into a waste of resources and a annnoying thing. Useless, I can say, things that start to take room in inventory and are discarded to the trash.

A sugestion about what can be done, make it drop some enchants and RP stones instead of tons of useless ID Scrolls. People pay for VIP and would be better a drop more usefull than something that you can collect 10 or 20 unit of it in simple runs while questing.

VIP deserves better prize than that.

caunsidh

I have a tendency to pick up everything I find while questing, so I could always use some extra ID scrolls, however I do agree that some BtC* RP might be more useful to most.

*BtA or unbound would replace leadership armies with RP armies, so that should be out of question.

blag001

BtC, sure.

Maybe drop more ID scrolls at lvl 3 - hoarders players will still have the scrolls + the ones droped during runs (overflow scrolls will still for some players).

lvl 4 and above - BtC RP stones and (lvl 5 - and chance to higher) Enchant stones.

Would be a better reward this way. I'm sure that it would help to people be interested in higher levels of VIP.

gromm1t

ID scrolls are mostly useless and need trash them anyway so something else AND at least Account bound -items!!!

kisakee

I'm still happy with these extra scrolls, cause every 60+ item will go to the bottomless mimik within my stronghold. If changed to RP items, price in AH for those will fall more and more to the ground, quite one more coffin nail for economy. I don't want that.

zebular

No, please keep the scrolls. I go through them like a vorpal sword through a non-magical peasant on the characters I actively play. On my toons I do not actively play at a given moment in history, they are little more than a twitch, as I just drag and delete them when I get a stack of 99. They sure are great to have on my actively played characters though, for I loot all and identify all. If they're nothing more than a waste of space for you, take one half a second to drag and delete the stack. Simple really.

two30

Swapping out anything from the VIP rewards would be a public relations problem. Cryptic can add new rewards, or improve existing rewards, but they would need a very compelling reason for removing rewards. It would need to be something like the reward being exploitable or game-breaking.

Coincidentally, ID scrolls have been bugged for a very long time. We can assume by now that Cryptic doesn't consider the bug game-breaking.

blag001

But, as a prize for VIP, it need some balance....

as I said befor, give more in a early VIP level and stones at a nigher level... and it waont unbalance the AH, as they will be BfC and wont be a lot pre day. Something like opening a bag from a high level task of Leadership.

And scrolls already drops a lot during runs - as a very common item - and can belong to a lower VIP level.

plasticbat

I have VIP 12 and 25 id scrolls is not a waste for active players. My main character used them up everyday. The 3 dungeon keys are the one which is occupying my inventory. However, I have an option not to claim that. You don't have to claim that if you find id scroll and dungeon keys are useless. My inactive characters do not take that pack.

The dropped ID scrolls is one of the resource to sell in AH to get AD.

neuroticneko

zebular said:

No, please keep the scrolls. I go through them like a vorpal sword through a non-magical peasant on the characters I actively play. On my toons I do not actively play at a given moment in history, they are little more than a twitch, as I just drag and delete them when I get a stack of 99. They sure are great to have on my actively played characters though, for I loot all and identify all. If they're nothing more than a waste of space for you, take one half a second to drag and delete the stack. Simple really.

Zebular, glad it not just me!! LOL

urabask

zebular said:

No, please keep the scrolls. I go through them like a vorpal sword through a non-magical peasant on the characters I actively play. On my toons I do not actively play at a given moment in history, they are little more than a twitch, as I just drag and delete them when I get a stack of 99. They sure are great to have on my actively played characters though, for I loot all and identify all. If they're nothing more than a waste of space for you, take one half a second to drag and delete the stack. Simple really.

You know they could just make it so that you don't need scrolls to ID items if you have VIP ...

Heck, take it one step further and have all your items automatically ID'd.

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beckylunatic

I also use the scrolls. Loot with a match bonus is fodder for artifact equipment, and everything else goes into the mimic.

santralafax

Now I know who keeps filling my screen during dungeons with green trash polls!

urabask

magenubbie said:

urabask said:

zebular said:

No, please keep the scrolls. I go through them like a vorpal sword through a non-magical peasant on the characters I actively play. On my toons I do not actively play at a given moment in history, they are little more than a twitch, as I just drag and delete them when I get a stack of 99. They sure are great to have on my actively played characters though, for I loot all and identify all. If they're nothing more than a waste of space for you, take one half a second to drag and delete the stack. Simple really.

You know they could just make it so that you don't need scrolls to ID items if you have VIP ...

Heck, take it one step further and have all your items automatically ID'd.

That would be nice too. But you need a reason to buy bags. We just got an extra bag slot and I doubt many people have them all filled. So that's not likely to happen. In the meantime, I'm with Zeb and a few others. On the character I play actively they aren't a waste as the mimic has an endless appetite for gear. Even if it didn't, I'd just ID them for the RP. It's free either way.
I even save 1 full stack of free dungeon keys on alts I don't currently play. Who knows they might come in handy one day should I get tired of my HR, TR and CW.

As if we don't have endless piles of other clutter to justify more bags : |

They could throw us a bone but there's this odd masochistic side to MMO communities that lets devs justify busy work like this.

suicidalgodot

urabask said:

magenubbie said:

urabask said:

zebular said:

No, please keep the scrolls. I go through them like a vorpal sword through a non-magical peasant on the characters I actively play. On my toons I do not actively play at a given moment in history, they are little more than a twitch, as I just drag and delete them when I get a stack of 99. They sure are great to have on my actively played characters though, for I loot all and identify all. If they're nothing more than a waste of space for you, take one half a second to drag and delete the stack. Simple really.

You know they could just make it so that you don't need scrolls to ID items if you have VIP ...

Heck, take it one step further and have all your items automatically ID'd.

That would be nice too. But you need a reason to buy bags. We just got an extra bag slot and I doubt many people have them all filled. So that's not likely to happen. In the meantime, I'm with Zeb and a few others. On the character I play actively they aren't a waste as the mimic has an endless appetite for gear. Even if it didn't, I'd just ID them for the RP. It's free either way.
I even save 1 full stack of free dungeon keys on alts I don't currently play. Who knows they might come in handy one day should I get tired of my HR, TR and CW.

As if we don't have endless piles of other clutter to justify more bags : |

They could throw us a bone but there's this odd masochistic side to MMO communities that lets devs justify busy work like this.

...that's not all of it. It's also probably C's least controversial way of extorting RL cash boosting the ZEN purchase - to buy bag space.

All them hoarders have, apparently, a guilt complex about their hoarding. Hence they'll rather pay some bucks for some bags and rationalize this as a kind of monetary penance, than throw stuff (some of which some folks probably carry along since open beta) away for good. Or use char-bound RP outside of 2xRP weekends. Or... ...ah, well, you got the image.

lirithiel

The only issue I have with the ID scrolls from VIP is that they aren't account-bound. I use every single one of mine as I am one of those players who loot the greens in dungeon runs . I already struggle to cope with all the RP categories so no more please.

I find it strange that contents from invoking coffers are account-bound, yet the rewards we get from daily invoking is character-bound? I mean WTF!? I have said it before and I'll say it again: the only character-bound stuff that should exist in NW is quest rewards. EVERYTHING ELSE should be account-bound at the least if Cryptic are so against Bind on Equip. The game is so alt unfriendly as it is - this move would alleviate that somewhat.

darkstarcrash

I'm going to add my voice to those who use the scrolls. Besides, if you don't use them it's just one bag space -- when you get a second stack, just delete the first one.

This is like the people who freak out over lockboxes in their inventory.

beckylunatic

santralafax said:

Now I know who keeps filling my screen during dungeons with green trash polls!

I don't loot greens when running group content (nor do I rage at people who do), but I play by myself a lot, and when I do, I hoover up absolutely everything.

urabask

darkstarcrash said:

I'm going to add my voice to those who use the scrolls. Besides, if you don't use them it's just one bag space -- when you get a second stack, just delete the first one.

This is like the people who freak out over lockboxes in their inventory.

I don't get why people actually like this.

Cryptic could easily deal with this. Having 10 stacks of ID scrolls isn't taking enough space that they're selling a significant number of bags because of it. There really is no reason to have ID scrolls for VIP instead of just having all our junk auto-ID'd. It's not like the other QoL things you get from VIP don't have a similar effect on bag clutter.

Maybe you guys love all the busy work involved in ID'ing 100 things but personally I find it pretty tedious.

beckylunatic

Automatically identifying everything would be better QoL for us, but it would also require someone to script a process that doesn't currently exist in the game. Also, since the quantity of scrolls received is one of the things they increase with ranks (not that most of us care or think about it), they'd either have to adjust VIP rewards, or the auto-ID process would have to recognize your VIP rank sufficiently to switch off after a certain number of items per day.

Giving us a bunch of scrolls doesn't require anything *new*. While the inventory tab for VIP per diem items was a new addition, a daily claim is a relatively simple mechanic, and the delivery system is necessary for the keys anyway.

suicidalgodot

...why not make an ID scroll useable in refining, good for 50 or maybe even 100 RP?

That'd be an easy way that would make all sides happy...

urabask

beckylunatic said:

Automatically identifying everything would be better QoL for us, but it would also require someone to script a process that doesn't currently exist in the game. Also, since the quantity of scrolls received is one of the things they increase with ranks (not that most of us care or think about it), they'd either have to adjust VIP rewards, or the auto-ID process would have to recognize your VIP rank sufficiently to switch off after a certain number of items per day.

Giving us a bunch of scrolls doesn't require anything *new*. While the inventory tab for VIP per diem items was a new addition, a daily claim is a relatively simple mechanic, and the delivery system is necessary for the keys anyway.

This really wouldn't be rocket science : |

They could just give you scrolls until you hit the VIP rank where you get auto-ID. Then your bags stop giving you scrolls.

beckylunatic

Fair enough. Still requires creation of an auto-ID script which doesn't neatly piggyback onto any existing systems.

urabask

beckylunatic said:

Fair enough. Still requires creation of an auto-ID script which doesn't neatly piggyback onto any existing systems.

Creating the models for all the other QoL stuff in VIP required work too. It really wouldn't require that much work either.

tantrumusmaximus

I'm happy to get the scrolls as I pick up all greens now to put in the guild coffer.

foxxy

I actually like the scrolls. every dungeon i run im the picker, annoying as some members always mention "stop picking everything", and i tell them " i need gold" xD

blag001

You're getting it wrong

The scrolls goes to a lower VIP level.

In a higher one other prizes, I sugested some examples.

Someone said that a solution for the bag overflow/useless item is not clain the prize with scrolls/keys. Well, so I pay for something and just don't get it or put it away everyday? It's the same as trash money.

A better balance of the consumables as prizes, thats what I mean.

plasticbat

blag001 said:

You're getting it wrong

The scrolls goes to a lower VIP level.

In a higher one other prizes, I sugested some examples.

Someone said that a solution for the bag overflow/useless item is not clain the prize with scrolls/keys. Well, so I pay for something and just don't get it or put it away everyday? It's the same as trash money.

A better balance of the consumables as prizes, thats what I mean.

What is a lower VIP level? I am in VIP 12 and all my character except 1 are level 70. I want the scrolls. If they add extra in addition to the scrolls, I have no issue.

blag001

blag001 said:

BtC, sure.

Maybe drop more ID scrolls at lvl 3 - hoarders players will still have the scrolls + the ones droped during runs (overflow scrolls will still for some players).

lvl 4 and above - BtC RP stones and (lvl 5 - and chance to higher) Enchant stones.

Would be a better reward this way. I'm sure that it would help to people be interested in higher levels of VIP.

plasticbat

blag001 said:

BtC, sure.

Maybe drop more ID scrolls at lvl 3 - hoarders players will still have the scrolls + the ones droped during runs (overflow scrolls will still for some players).

lvl 4 and above - BtC RP stones and (lvl 5 - and chance to higher) Enchant stones.

Would be a better reward this way. I'm sure that it would help to people be interested in higher levels of VIP.

Every player who has interest to any level of VIP will reach higher level automatically regardless.
i.e. you cannot stay in VIP 3 in your 4th month of VIP.