Just putting in my 2cp on this bait-and-switch. I distinctly remember Mod7 was meant to have the ability to exchange current weapons for the new ones once we achieved the appropriate stronghold, etc.
This was actually an idea that was only ever on preview, it was never officially mentioned and appeared on preview by mistake
It really doesnt matter if it was a mistake or not.. you cannot simply hide the biggest, hardest, largest and LONGEST grind behind a paywall like this..
forget these weapon until you get an response and farm fire particles, its about 1 week and done, some did it in two days , thats not to hard for this kind of game
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
yes.. fire weapons for my dc/pally and twisted for cw/gwf. Sure.. I could do this.. but I dont want to really.
Thats not the point.. the point is as a guild, if we ALL partcipated in this and if some of the other top end guilds did too.. we would all be kicking it! building up each other! It wouldve been a grand vision for the game. Viola all that work would've = a really good buff overall but it would've been a co-operative planning to get that.
Now a few random people paying millions of dollars for a super.. subpar item, is worthless to every one.
They totally missed the concept of the weapons and the guild, the grind and everything else.
There is no justification for adding all the grind to level 12 strongholds, the amount of time, energy we did, the dozens and dozens of dragonflights.. we accomplished.. to pull this HAMSTER on us. We ALREADY did the grind!
In addition, im sure like many, I wouldve been tempted to just open up some more DL lockboxes to get the rest of the fangs on alts..
But now? Nope.. your not getting my money for that! They simply SCREW themselves out of money, this gating does not profit the company, which is the strange part of this WHOLE process. You already added the biggest massive gate in the history of your game, then GATED it with another massive gate!
We need info on this please. As my guildies have said, the SH weapons being gated behind a triple grindwall is ridiculous.
1) When are the explorers charts going to be accessible from the Marketplace? (Guys this needs to happen by next Patch - there is ONE guild in game with the Explorers Guild, this means it's extremely costly to progress through Masterwork Crafting).
2) The 20% success chance on the creating of these items - this doesn't sound right - can this be confirmed.
The devs wanted us to have Masterwork professions and put the SH weapons in the game. As stated above, the set is only good if you have lots of people in your guild with it.
Twisted weapons - I know on my main toon I can access Epic Demo from Friday (with my 3 other main alts on Sat). The sooner the better with answers here.
Andy - your poll on what you like most about Underdark, I believe it's still currently sitting as ZERO votes for Masterwork Professions (Yup, just rechecked, still zero). All the gripes and complaints listed here is why - no one is able to experience them.
We know you guys get ranted at, sworn at, yelled at, and we appreciate that you keep your chin up and keep at it. The feedback here needs to get to the devs, and we'd love to see some answers on this (and some action!).
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
So Im assuming the silence in this matter.. means status qua remains?
harsh!
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andorrabellMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 437Arc User
The day when you have to have a discussion about whether it's worth it to bribe the only guild in the game with an explorer's hall to temporarily tag you so you can have access to new content
IS NOT A GOOD DAY.
Please talk to us before it's too late to go in the direction of SH weapons. Add the ability to make the Explorer's guild for ALL SH and re-evaluate how gated these weapons are NOW.
Bringing a guild hall to lv 12 is not easy, the weapons even s.uc.k (yeah i did it) hard since the bonus as solo player/solo quer is unrealiable and under performing. So i dont really see the reasons to add major walls. Just skip them they will be subpar in 3 months anyways
So Im assuming the silence in this matter.. means status qua remains?
harsh!
I understand you're fired up, and honestly rightfully so IMO, however it IS the week of Thanksgiving. Hopefully we'll hear back next week about this. Until then...
Patience is something I'll have when the devs give us a working game. right now things are screwed up and what they PROMISED didn't happen, the marketplace r6 doesn't have the explorers charts in it, epic demogorgon isn't dropping twisted ichor etc etc. I know it is thanksgiving and we aren't going to get any response on this until monday, and a fix until next thursday, but it really really sucks
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andorrabellMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 437Arc User
A suggestion: Let us trade the mote weapons or the twisted set for the stronghold set. Even if it was just a trade for the armaments and we still needed fangs/guild marks on top of it it would be a viable alternative.
silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
That doesnt solve the issue, it just adds yet another layer of grind.
This should be simple.. the pure amount of grind needed to get to r12 stronghold, in addition the multiple dragon flight runs needed and the guild marks, should simply be more then enough of a gate. (which would already make it the hardest weapon to get!)
It cannot be anymore then that. That is by far more grind then any of the weapon sets. Otherwise, adding another layer only prevents people from taking them, which then makes them far less superior then any of the other weapons.
clearly this wasn't through out.. at all.
they just wanted another paywall, added it, without a second thought to how much ACTUAL grind goes into it.
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lirithielMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,482Arc User
For someone who does a lot of solo play the SH weapon set isn't clearly better than the new Elemental weapon sets so I'm happy to have done the grind for the latter.
Our pain is self chosen.
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
ummm, our stronghold will stagnate after this move.... as stated- it took ALL of what we have to get here -and we are rewarded with- grind about double for the advancement- it sickning -and wasn't mentioned in the notes- it said get there and you can get BIS weapons -NOT get there and we will make you sorry you even tried-LOL (or actually NOT LOL...) -not sure of what to do to alleviate this either... maybe do like post 5 or 6 said- drop it
If it costs millions of ad to craft one of these weapons (I have no idea, just going by comments in this thread) Then you all know the reason, just look at thier other games. Large quilds have players that spend cash to keep up with thier peers. The fact that others have to have the weapon to get it's full benefit is also a very strong indicator that what they are shooting for , is for large guilds to require having the weapon, so that people have no choice but to buy the componants with real money if they want to stay in the uber guild.
Insidious but effective.
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andorrabellMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 437Arc User
No sane guild is going to require these weapons in their current state. We aren't even *recommending* people to wait on these in their current state. Once they patch demonic twisted ichor and people who have been holding off get those weapons the game is over unless they un-gate it AND make it a 1:1 conversion to feed current weapons into those. I won't take a 2nd loss of RP on these things.
For someone who does a lot of solo play the SH weapon set isn't clearly better than the new Elemental weapon sets so I'm happy to have done the grind for the latter.
If you want the best weapon without a guild, dont get the elemental weapon. Try to get the twisted. This weapon got a really good set bonus. Better than any elemental weapon.
For someone who does a lot of solo play the SH weapon set isn't clearly better than the new Elemental weapon sets so I'm happy to have done the grind for the latter.
If you want the best weapon without a guild, dont get the elemental weapon. Try to get the twisted. This weapon got a really good set bonus. Better than any elemental weapon.
Well originally I was aiming to get the SH weapons but since it's NOT an option, and I WON'T farm my HAMSTER off killing crab/fish or half baked chickens to get the new arties, I turned my Sauron's gaze upon Twisted weapons.
Not too surprised these are bugged as well since the Twisted Ichor is not in the box (duh!). Unfortunately I can't find the weapon set description anywhere. But I do remember id does not sound all too epic. Something like when you're struck you something, and when you struck the enemy you blah blah blah...anyone can link a weapon preview please?
I must say I find all of the new weapon set bonuses really meh.
Thanks in advance
Nancy - Dragonborn, SM Guardian Fighter A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based? 2). Yes. I am panzer! 3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen. 4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
Can someone please explain me where's the epicness of the item?
I'm playing a GF. Do I understand it correctly that at the start of the encounter, I will be struck, lets say 10 times in few secs (wonder will KV damage count) this will give me 10 stack of Paranoia - 10x160=1600 defense. Than I will hit the mob once and I will loose one stack of it? and at the same time I will gain one stack of Bloodlust?
At max stacks that will give something like 3,6 defense which sounds neat.
I only hope that these Paranoia stacks will be removed once at a time when I struck an enemy. Otherwise that would be just stupid.
Just wanted to share my thoughts.
Nancy - Dragonborn, SM Guardian Fighter A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based? 2). Yes. I am panzer! 3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen. 4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
Well originally I was aiming to get the SH weapons but since it's NOT an option, and I WON'T farm my HAMSTER off killing crab/fish or half baked chickens to get the new arties, I turned my Sauron's gaze upon Twisted weapons.
Thats true...this SH weapon mastery ist HAMSTER as hell...So i want twisted weapons instead.
But I do remember id does not sound all too epic. Something like when you're struck you something, and when you struck the enemy you blah blah blah...anyone can link a weapon preview please?
Oh ^^. The twisted set bonus is really good. Gives you 160 power if you hit a target, or you get 160 def if you get hit. Stacks up to 24.
I must say I find all of the new weapon set bonuses really meh.
I think only elemental weapons are meh. Twisted are really good. And SH weapons can be the best, but im not in the mood to farm months and pay millions of ads.
Can someone please explain me where's the epicness of the item?
I'm playing a GF. Do I understand it correctly that at the start of the encounter, I will be struck, lets say 10 times in few secs (wonder will KV damage count) this will give me 10 stack of Paranoia - 10x160=1600 defense. Than I will hit the mob once and I will loose one stack of it? and at the same time I will gain one stack of Bloodlust?
At max stacks that will give something like 3,6 defense which sounds neat.
I only hope that these Paranoia stacks will be removed once at a time when I struck an enemy. Otherwise that would be just stupid.
Just wanted to share my thoughts.
PS
I would appreciate a link to preview the GF version.
Nancy - Dragonborn, SM Guardian Fighter A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based? 2). Yes. I am panzer! 3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen. 4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
Yeah I know that the set bonus is the same for all classes (hoorrrrayy for diversity! no?) I asked more about the stat it gives, but nwm I will have a peek in game.
I refuse to participate in motes grind, I would rather use Mulhorands than farming for hours the same HAMSTER, just...no. Twisted stuff might be kinda cool, but it needs to be tested before confirmed. Shame we can't have all of these weapons on preview, of well let's hope Ichor bug will be fixed and than it's only a matter to run Demo "Few" times or hope for the lucky drop.
Now I know what some of you might be thinking "hey dude! you said you don't want to grind motes and you will grind Demo for the ichor? u mad bruh?" well the at least there's a tiny bit of strat tied with it. And each run will give a chance to grab an epic ring + campaign currency.
Nancy - Dragonborn, SM Guardian Fighter A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based? 2). Yes. I am panzer! 3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen. 4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
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lirithielMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,482Arc User
With Power being back to the last offensive stat dps classes stack now I wouldn't rush to get the Twisted set. I got the Earthen set on my Archer and the Drowning set on my Combat HR (both weapons crit to instant legendary ) and I'm not going out of my way to replace them just like I'm not pursuing the Drowcraft gear.
Our pain is self chosen.
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
Yeah I actually thought about earthen set as this one is a bit better than all others (IMO). I really do not need another AP gainer.
Frankly speaking, AP gain should be toned down hard...daily powers should not be spammed like they are now. It ruins the philosophy behind them being uber powers that can be launched on special occasions - not each encounter...
I will still go twisted for the reasons described above.
Nancy - Dragonborn, SM Guardian Fighter A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based? 2). Yes. I am panzer! 3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen. 4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
You might think AP should be toned down.. but lets be frank, its not going to happen. There is now multiple ways to achieve it.. so its now accessible to everyone. You would have to tone down weapons, snail and dc sigal to make it go away, let alone recovery+ necklace items and such.
And to think there are folks claiming the game is too hard...
Not going to start the debate here again. Would like to hear about the SH weapons HAMSTER though. Hope we will hear some news from the devs in the coming days/
Nancy - Dragonborn, SM Guardian Fighter A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based? 2). Yes. I am panzer! 3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen. 4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
oh im sure they will tone it down, but it wont be enough, not by a long stretch. I would say screw it and choose other weapons at this point.
We do need twisted ichor to drop though.. so we can start grinding those out.
Sadly, because they just don't listen, and we told them this was ultra time sensitive, they pretty much lost us here.
This is why things should be vetted before hand and you cant vet things when on preview they dont tell you exactly whats needed and/or make them accessible , not behind 40 hours of grind on preview.. sheesh.
This has been a issue for quite some time honestly.
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AFTER you already had a paywall!
Its just too much.
They need to revamp this asap.
Thats not the point.. the point is as a guild, if we ALL partcipated in this and if some of the other top end guilds did too.. we would all be kicking it! building up each other! It wouldve been a grand vision for the game. Viola all that work would've = a really good buff overall but it would've been a co-operative planning to get that.
Now a few random people paying millions of dollars for a super.. subpar item, is worthless to every one.
They totally missed the concept of the weapons and the guild, the grind and everything else.
There is no justification for adding all the grind to level 12 strongholds, the amount of time, energy we did, the dozens and dozens of dragonflights.. we accomplished.. to pull this HAMSTER on us. We ALREADY did the grind!
In addition, im sure like many, I wouldve been tempted to just open up some more DL lockboxes to get the rest of the fangs on alts..
But now? Nope.. your not getting my money for that! They simply SCREW themselves out of money, this gating does not profit the company, which is the strange part of this WHOLE process. You already added the biggest massive gate in the history of your game, then GATED it with another massive gate!
WHAT? are you guys thinking!
We need info on this please. As my guildies have said, the SH weapons being gated behind a triple grindwall is ridiculous.
1) When are the explorers charts going to be accessible from the Marketplace? (Guys this needs to happen by next Patch - there is ONE guild in game with the Explorers Guild, this means it's extremely costly to progress through Masterwork Crafting).
2) The 20% success chance on the creating of these items - this doesn't sound right - can this be confirmed.
The devs wanted us to have Masterwork professions and put the SH weapons in the game. As stated above, the set is only good if you have lots of people in your guild with it.
Twisted weapons - I know on my main toon I can access Epic Demo from Friday (with my 3 other main alts on Sat). The sooner the better with answers here.
Andy - your poll on what you like most about Underdark, I believe it's still currently sitting as ZERO votes for Masterwork Professions (Yup, just rechecked, still zero). All the gripes and complaints listed here is why - no one is able to experience them.
We know you guys get ranted at, sworn at, yelled at, and we appreciate that you keep your chin up and keep at it. The feedback here needs to get to the devs, and we'd love to see some answers on this (and some action!).
harsh!
IS NOT A GOOD DAY.
Please talk to us before it's too late to go in the direction of SH weapons. Add the ability to make the Explorer's guild for ALL SH and re-evaluate how gated these weapons are NOW.
https://www.theholycrusaders.com/
I understand you're fired up, and honestly rightfully so IMO, however it IS the week of Thanksgiving. Hopefully we'll hear back next week about this. Until then...
We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
Let us trade the mote weapons or the twisted set for the stronghold set.
Even if it was just a trade for the armaments and we still needed fangs/guild marks on top of it it would be a viable alternative.
https://www.theholycrusaders.com/
This should be simple.. the pure amount of grind needed to get to r12 stronghold, in addition the multiple dragon flight runs needed and the guild marks, should simply be more then enough of a gate. (which would already make it the hardest weapon to get!)
It cannot be anymore then that. That is by far more grind then any of the weapon sets. Otherwise, adding another layer only prevents people from taking them, which then makes them far less superior then any of the other weapons.
clearly this wasn't through out.. at all.
they just wanted another paywall, added it, without a second thought to how much ACTUAL grind goes into it.
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
as stated- it took ALL of what we have to get here
-and we are rewarded with- grind about double for the advancement- it sickning
-and wasn't mentioned in the notes- it said get there and you can get BIS weapons
-NOT get there and we will make you sorry you even tried-LOL (or actually NOT LOL...)
-not sure of what to do to alleviate this either... maybe do like post 5 or 6 said- drop it
Insidious but effective.
https://www.theholycrusaders.com/
Not too surprised these are bugged as well since the Twisted Ichor is not in the box (duh!). Unfortunately I can't find the weapon set description anywhere. But I do remember id does not sound all too epic. Something like when you're struck you something, and when you struck the enemy you blah blah blah...anyone can link a weapon preview please?
I must say I find all of the new weapon set bonuses really meh.
Thanks in advance
A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based?
2). Yes. I am panzer!
3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen.
4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
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Can someone please explain me where's the epicness of the item?
I'm playing a GF. Do I understand it correctly that at the start of the encounter, I will be struck, lets say 10 times in few secs (wonder will KV damage count) this will give me 10 stack of Paranoia - 10x160=1600 defense. Than I will hit the mob once and I will loose one stack of it? and at the same time I will gain one stack of Bloodlust?
At max stacks that will give something like 3,6 defense which sounds neat.
I only hope that these Paranoia stacks will be removed once at a time when I struck an enemy. Otherwise that would be just stupid.
Just wanted to share my thoughts.
A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based?
2). Yes. I am panzer!
3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen.
4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
I would appreciate a link to preview the GF version.
A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based?
2). Yes. I am panzer!
3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen.
4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
The Holy Crusaders guild leader ♚ Mod 10 PVE Destroyer GWF guide ♚ Founding member of the Relentless Alliance
and yes.. it kinda sucks to do 100 motes, it truly does.. but oh well. You do what you have to do sometimes.
I refuse to participate in motes grind, I would rather use Mulhorands than farming for hours the same HAMSTER, just...no.
Twisted stuff might be kinda cool, but it needs to be tested before confirmed. Shame we can't have all of these weapons on preview, of well let's hope Ichor bug will be fixed and than it's only a matter to run Demo "Few" times or hope for the lucky drop.
Now I know what some of you might be thinking "hey dude! you said you don't want to grind motes and you will grind Demo for the ichor? u mad bruh?" well the at least there's a tiny bit of strat tied with it. And each run will give a chance to grab an epic ring + campaign currency.
A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based?
2). Yes. I am panzer!
3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen.
4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
Frankly speaking, AP gain should be toned down hard...daily powers should not be spammed like they are now. It ruins the philosophy behind them being uber powers that can be launched on special occasions - not each encounter...
I will still go twisted for the reasons described above.
A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based?
2). Yes. I am panzer!
3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen.
4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
Not going to start the debate here again. Would like to hear about the SH weapons HAMSTER though. Hope we will hear some news from the devs in the coming days/
A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based?
2). Yes. I am panzer!
3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen.
4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
We do need twisted ichor to drop though.. so we can start grinding those out.
Sadly, because they just don't listen, and we told them this was ultra time sensitive, they pretty much lost us here.
This is why things should be vetted before hand and you cant vet things when on preview they dont tell you exactly whats needed and/or make them accessible , not behind 40 hours of grind on preview.. sheesh.
This has been a issue for quite some time honestly.