Which is the Easiest T1 Dungeon?

snkoelzy

I'm a 2k CW and need to get the rest of the Alliance Gear as im lacking in defense ALOT and need hit points, so what is the easiest T1 Dungeon so as i can get the rest of the gear without paying tons for injury kits just to get a finally laggy boss to the quit!!

zebular

I forget if you also got some of your delves disabled like we did on PC. If not, I'd say Cloak Tower for sure, also Throne of Idris. If so, then try Lair of Lostmauth or Malabog's Castle.

deathbringer

I honestly think Valindra is the easiest T1

ddem0n888

If it's the Seals you're after you can get them from Kessell's Retreat Skirmish. It's fairly easy. If it's drops then Valindras imo.

If you haven't already make sure you buy the book from the Wondrous Bazaar. It's 1 AD and you get 50 seals extra for any T1 or T2 run.

randomdigits

Also take a look at this thread for some more info:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1205930/running-dungeons-skirmishes-with-a-pug

meliboo

Easiest T1 Dungeon is for sure Valindra.

thefabricant

Epic lair of lostmauth. I have soloed it on pc post mod 5 on my CW, can't solo the other 2.

randomdigits

@thefabricant: I've already replied to you in another thread - have you tried playing on Xbox One as a CW?
I'm not sure that your experience from PC is directly transferrable to Xbox One due to the differences in UI, performance and other differences. Is there a video of someone on Xbox One soloing eLoL as a CW?

thefabricant

randomdigits#2166 said:

@thefabricant: I've already replied to you in another thread - have you tried playing on Xbox One as a CW?
I'm not sure that your experience from PC is directly transferrable to Xbox One due to the differences in UI, performance and other differences. Is there a video of someone on Xbox One soloing eLoL as a CW?

No, because I don't have an xbox1 and I am not going to buy 1 simply to test it out. Mod 6 on PC was originally harder then what it became and xbox got the easier version that the pc version turned into. If there are any differences, it will be in how user friendly and interactive the 2 consoles are (something I can't compare because I am not an owner of an xbox, so I will make no claims in this area) or in player skill, which varies widely from player to player. I can however divulge the strategy for doing it, for anyone who wants to try:

Required items: Liara's bell, a tank companion of any type, stones of health, soulforged enchantment, more patience then god.

Recommended items: (these items are not required, but it takes the experience from being HORRIBLY unpleasant to manageable)
Perfect vorpal or higher, rank 7 enchantments or higher, tier 2 gear

Recommended build:
A SS renegade build, ironzerg's build on PC should cover what you need to know:
http://forum.arcgames.com/neverwinter/discussion/551341/spellstorm-renegade-guide-death-is-the-best-crowd-control/p1

Random trash:
Do whatever the hell you like, its random trash

Loadout for bosses:
Shield (tab), Disintegrate, ray of enfeeblement, conduit of ice, ice knife, storm spell, chilling presence

1st Boss:
Shield (tab), Disintegrate, ray of enfeeblement, conduit of ice, ice knife, storm spell, chilling presence
You need to learn to dodge the spear. Watch the boss while fighting him, learn his tells, he has a "rotation" of sorts although it can be a real pain to learn it. It took me more then 40 deaths on this guy to learn his rotation reliably enough to consistantly solo him, so feel no pressure, take your time and keep your cool. The moment you got him off his rage drage though, you in the clear. This is where your tank companion is MVP is the boss will focus on him until he is dead so with Liara's bell, you can give yourself 10 second periods of complete respite where all you need to do is burn burn burn. Once he is off his drake, kill the drake immediately and then get back on his case. Stones of health will be vital in this fight for after he hits you with his spear. You can take 1 hit from the spear with shield up, but not 2 unless you got full health, which is why stones of health are so important, they prevent a wipe which can be really frustrating.

2nd Boss:
You just need to spend some time learning the scorpions tells, they are really really really predictable and it took me 3 deaths to learn them well enough to never die to them again on CW. Once you know their rotation, this fight is easy as pie. Your tank companion will sometimes steal the attention of one or both scorpions, which will give you time to burst them quickly, most of the fight is kiting with the occasional use of a few encounters. Dodges are reserved specifically for the claw, you sidestep all other attacks, using only your 2 feet. This fight involves lots of walking, skipping, hopping and jumping but its really easy to learn to do. I advise killing one then the other though, as trying to kill them both at once is an unnecessary risk.

3rd boss:
This fight also involves a lot of learning. Things absolutely essential to beating this boss is firstly knowing where all the "safe spots" are in the arena, where the balls don't travel. Those are the spots you want to move between, so you only have to deal with the lazer, the red swipe attack, the lava, the roar, the fire breath and the rocks. The rocks are mainly just a case of sidestepping or dodging, so they are a non issue. The lazer you deal with entirely by dodging, the red swipe attack you deal with via pots (no other way I am afraid) and the roar you have to learn to dodge. It is critical to learn to dodge the roar because 9/10 times you wipe, will be because he roars then places a rock or something on you while you CC'd and you can't get out of the way. The key to dodging roar is to watch his head, when he starts moving his head back, you dodge immediately. You have to dodge before the roar takes place, into the roar as it gives you enough CC immunity to then dodge again during the roar. After the first roar, you then got to dodge again immediately. Try to suss out a spot that doesn't have a red circle on it and aim there, because dodging into red circles will leave you very, very, very dead. Once again, like the first boss, have patience and keep your cool, learning to solo bosses is very much like learning to do a boss for the first time in a group, where you have to learn everything new. In this case, you have to see everything from a fresh set of eyes, where you are the tank, dps and healer and you dying means the party wiping. Precautions you would normally see as silly are ok to take here, because you are responsible for everything that happens and the only person that can screw up is you.


As for doing elol in a party, its much easier then doing it solo, tank takes most of the aggro, if the tank can't deal with both scorpions at once, a class with a dodge mechanic should kite one of them away and entertain it by himself while the rest of the party kills the other. As for the last boss, a mechanic a solo player does not have to deal with which a party does is the tail swipe. Because when solo, the boss always faces you as you always have aggro, you never behind the dragon and thus the tail cannot hit you. In a party however, it is the tanks imperative to make sure the dragon always faces the same direction and it is everyone elses responsibility to make darned sure that they aren't behind the dragon at any point in time. The other dungeons are much more mechanically complex then elol and I would strongly recommend it as the first t1 you do, besides, it has better rewards as well

I am not sure who the "really amazing CW's" on xbox are, but ask one of them to give it a bash, I am sure one of them can manage. As it is, I consider myself a slightly above average pve CW player, but I am by no means amazing. Players like Agathe Beaur on PC far surpass my ability to play.

randomdigits

@thefabricant Thank you. Btw, how do you even queue solo? Do you queue normally and wait for (make them ) leave you alone?

deathbringer

Okay so setting aside the fact that @thefabricant claims he/she can solo ELoL, not saying you can't. But putting that aside, how would ELoL actually be easier than Valindra? I mean sure, I may be set in my beliefs, but I find ELoL to be more difficult than Valindra. Technically neither are difficult now, but ELoL has the edge.

zephyriah

thefabricant said:

randomdigits#2166 said:

@thefabricant: I've already replied to you in another thread - have you tried playing on Xbox One as a CW?
I'm not sure that your experience from PC is directly transferrable to Xbox One due to the differences in UI, performance and other differences. Is there a video of someone on Xbox One soloing eLoL as a CW?

Required items: Liara's bell, a tank companion of any type, stones of health, soulforged enchantment, more patience then god.

No Lliira's Bell on Xbox. With companions now self rezzing, we may never see it. I miss my Bells. Always preferred companions over stones, even before EE.

thefabricant

deathbringer#1709 said:

Okay so setting aside the fact that @thefabricant claims he/she can solo ELoL, not saying you can't. But putting that aside, how would ELoL actually be easier than Valindra? I mean sure, I may be set in my beliefs, but I find ELoL to be more difficult than Valindra. Technically neither are difficult now, but ELoL has the edge.

Its easier because (looking at this from the perspective of random groups here, which is what I am assuming the OP wants) if the other 4 players wipe in elol, you can finish it yourself, but the hand in VT makes that impossible.

As to how to solo content, well, you get 4 friends to queue into elol with you on their alts then disconnect and swap characters. That way, there are 4 disconnected characters and you.

mahburg

thefabricant said:

deathbringer#1709 said:

Okay so setting aside the fact that @thefabricant claims he/she can solo ELoL, not saying you can't. But putting that aside, how would ELoL actually be easier than Valindra? I mean sure, I may be set in my beliefs, but I find ELoL to be more difficult than Valindra. Technically neither are difficult now, but ELoL has the edge.

Its easier because (looking at this from the perspective of random groups here, which is what I am assuming the OP wants) if the other 4 players wipe in elol, you can finish it yourself, but the hand in VT makes that impossible.

As to how to solo content, well, you get 4 friends to queue into elol with you on their alts then disconnect and swap characters. That way, there are 4 disconnected characters and you.

You got a Video link to that Solo as I for one would like to see that.

deathbringer

@thefabricant That sounds plausible, and with a decent enough CW I think it could be possible. But, why couldn't you solo Valindra? It would work the same way right? You can still move on from area to area even with disconnected players. Plus the "bosses" in Valindra seem to be significantly easier than those in ELoL.

thefabricant

deathbringer#1709 said:

@thefabricant That sounds plausible, and with a decent enough CW I think it could be possible. But, why couldn't you solo Valindra? It would work the same way right? You can still move on from area to area even with disconnected players. Plus the "bosses" in Valindra seem to be significantly easier than those in ELoL.

It is because, at least on the PC version, valindra has a hand mechanic that grabs you and doesn't let go. It is a form of CC that you cannot dps down if you are grabbed by it and will continue to grab you until you are dead.

deathbringer

Oh, that's right. I forgot about the hand grabbing thing. I played Valindra more on my TR, and I can pretty much dodge all those. So I did not even think about that. Now it makes since. But without the grabbing hand, you think Valindra would be easier to solo?

thefabricant

deathbringer#1709 said:

Oh, that's right. I forgot about the hand grabbing thing. I played Valindra more on my TR, and I can pretty much dodge all those. So I did not even think about that. Now it makes since. But without the grabbing hand, you think Valindra would be easier to solo?

Still not likely, in elol you don't have to contend with the adds for the boss fight, in VT you would.

meliboo

I kind of want to try and solo ELoL on my HR now. My girl is a beast.

armwald

ELoL is much better than Valindra the fight is a little harder but the drops are much better. As to soloing it I believe it can be done with one key attribute Patience.

I have PuG ELoL lots of times and if everyone had a little more Patience the wipes would be significantly reduced. I go into the last dragon fight telling myself be Patience you cannot kill anything if you are dead because as bosses goes it has IMHO the least amount of heath

meliboo

Yea, I never meant to imply I prefer Valindra over ELoL "drops" wise. I was simply addressing the initial question of which was easier. For drops, ELoL for sure. For ease of completion, I say Valindra for sure.

mahburg

I love people who come over from PC telling us how we got the easier version of this mod because of the fixes, even though it has been made evident that we got the pre-fix drop in mod six due to the DR bug being present and even having been discussed on the PC forum in one thread.

Once you get the gear and with the Pally Haste cleric mix you can get these completed, otherwise for a new 70 in a group of randoms dungeons will be very very painful.

thefabricant

mahburg said:

I love people who come over from PC telling us how we got the easier version of this mod because of the fixes, even though it has been made evident that we got the pre-fix drop in mod six due to the DR bug being present and even having been discussed on the PC forum in one thread.

Once you get the gear and with the Pally Haste cleric mix you can get these completed, otherwise for a new 70 in a group of randoms dungeons will be very very painful.

You did, we had the dr bug as well, but at the start of mod 6 for us it was a lot harder, 2 weeks in they scaled down the difficulty without removing the dr bug, which only got removed at the start of mod 7. Also, honestly, you really shouldn't complain, once the dr bug gets removed the game becomes depressingly easy, it only maintains a semblance of challenge so long as that bug remains.

mahburg

Challenge please don't make me laugh, when you get one shotted by trash repeatedly when you have 100K hp (more) and 3200 Plus IL then how is a new 70 without VIP meant to cope?
Removing the bug will only make the runs easy for ranked players, run those dungeons with a fresh 70 CW or other squishy character without Pallys and tell me how "depressingly easy they will be.

If the devs cared about challenge at all they would have fixed the bugs and ensured dungeon progression was phased relative to IL much better than it is, I don't think its a coincidence that you get taken straight to the buy scrolls of life screen right after a terminal oneshot do you?

thefabricant

mahburg said:

Challenge please don't make me laugh, when you get one shotted by trash repeatedly when you have 100K hp (more) and 3200 Plus IL then how is a new 70 without VIP meant to cope?
Removing the bug will only make the runs easy for ranked players, run those dungeons with a fresh 70 CW or other squishy character without Pallys and tell me how "depressingly easy they will be.

If the devs cared about challenge at all they would have fixed the bugs and ensured dungeon progression was phased relative to IL much better than it is, I don't think its a coincidence that you get taken straight to the buy scrolls of life screen right after a terminal oneshot do you?

http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1203402/ecc-a-how-to-guide-for-the-2k-party

Please refer to my eCC guide, without pally, showing how depressingly easy dungeons are without the dr bug. With the exception of freya, we were all running on alts with no pallies and no wipe on the last boss, showing exactly how easy the dungeons are. We were running at 2k ilvl as well, so no pulling the, "you not 2k ilvl" bs.

Also, when doing solo elol on CW, even post the dr fix, you still get 1 shot by various mechanics, all you got to do is learn to dodge the things that 1 shot you, its not like they aren't dodgeable.

randomdigits

I sincerely appreciate @thefabricant willingness to help us, Xbox-players, while still looking with a grain of salt at his opinion on the Xbox dungeon difficulty. As we've already determined, there are differences in UI, game performance, available consumables/gear/companions/enchants/boons (you had them for a while and we only got to unlock them recently)/etc. So while he is probably right in the many of his assessments, only a person who regularly plays on both platforms could probably make accurate conclusions.

yourenext2die

I don't doubt that he can solo eLOL. I myself have had to solo both scorpions and 3/4 of the end boss and the rest of the content is not nearly as difficult, so if I can do that with an under geared toon then surely he would have a real chance at a successful solo from start to end. It just takes for god awful ever, the key is dodging the one shots and staying patient with your attacks because the moment you rush yourself to do more damage you're going down.

yourenext2die

I personally prefer running eLOL over Valindra.

mahburg

thefabricant said:

mahburg said:

Challenge please don't make me laugh, when you get one shotted by trash repeatedly when you have 100K hp (more) and 3200 Plus IL then how is a new 70 without VIP meant to cope?
Removing the bug will only make the runs easy for ranked players, run those dungeons with a fresh 70 CW or other squishy character without Pallys and tell me how "depressingly easy they will be.

If the devs cared about challenge at all they would have fixed the bugs and ensured dungeon progression was phased relative to IL much better than it is, I don't think its a coincidence that you get taken straight to the buy scrolls of life screen right after a terminal oneshot do you?

http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1203402/ecc-a-how-to-guide-for-the-2k-party

Please refer to my eCC guide, without pally, showing how depressingly easy dungeons are without the dr bug. With the exception of freya, we were all running on alts with no pallies and no wipe on the last boss, showing exactly how easy the dungeons are. We were running at 2k ilvl as well, so no pulling the, "you not 2k ilvl" bs.

Also, when doing solo elol on CW, even post the dr fix, you still get 1 shot by various mechanics, all you got to do is learn to dodge the things that 1 shot you, its not like they aren't dodgeable.

First Get an Xbox then talk to us
Second I reckon I know how to play various toons in this game with 1K plus hours and three level seventy characters forgive me if I say I can handle most things even with my level 70 CW, that being said its not about the epeens of the elite or ranked players its about the average player who frankly has been major league shafted imho.

We get your broken mods even after they have been fixed for you then we get the fixes later (in most cases it seems).

Why they insist on doing this I have no idea, also you guys have Strongholds and its been up a while and the new mounts with stats so yes you guys should be doing stuff we cant on here yet.
Interesting on how none of you PC guys ever bring up how much better your capabilities are when telling us "how easy" this all is.
Like I said Buckle up get on XBOX then preach to us about how "depressingly easy" the game is!

thefabricant

mahburg said:

thefabricant said:

mahburg said:

Challenge please don't make me laugh, when you get one shotted by trash repeatedly when you have 100K hp (more) and 3200 Plus IL then how is a new 70 without VIP meant to cope?
Removing the bug will only make the runs easy for ranked players, run those dungeons with a fresh 70 CW or other squishy character without Pallys and tell me how "depressingly easy they will be.

If the devs cared about challenge at all they would have fixed the bugs and ensured dungeon progression was phased relative to IL much better than it is, I don't think its a coincidence that you get taken straight to the buy scrolls of life screen right after a terminal oneshot do you?

http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1203402/ecc-a-how-to-guide-for-the-2k-party

Please refer to my eCC guide, without pally, showing how depressingly easy dungeons are without the dr bug. With the exception of freya, we were all running on alts with no pallies and no wipe on the last boss, showing exactly how easy the dungeons are. We were running at 2k ilvl as well, so no pulling the, "you not 2k ilvl" bs.

Also, when doing solo elol on CW, even post the dr fix, you still get 1 shot by various mechanics, all you got to do is learn to dodge the things that 1 shot you, its not like they aren't dodgeable.

First Get an Xbox then talk to us
Second I reckon I know how to play various toons in this game with 1K plus hours and three level seventy characters forgive me if I say I can handle most things even with my level 70 CW, that being said its not about the epeens of the elite or ranked players its about the average player who frankly has been major league shafted imho.

We get your broken mods even after they have been fixed for you then we get the fixes later (in most cases it seems).

Why they insist on doing this I have no idea, also you guys have Strongholds and its been up a while and the new mounts with stats so yes you guys should be doing stuff we cant on here yet.
Interesting on how none of you PC guys ever bring up how much better your capabilities are when telling us "how easy" this all is.
Like I said Buckle up get on XBOX then preach to us about how "depressingly easy" the game is!

Time played =/= skill, otherwise I would probably be one of the most skilled players in the game and I am not. Just for reference, my paladin alone has 408 hours on it and my wizard has 1488, let alone all of my other chars (I also play tr, dc and SW). If 1 player can solo elol, then 5 can do it easily and as for me buying an xbox, well let me put it to you this way:

I live an a 3rd world country (South Africa) and play this game with a ping that never drops below 500. I cannot afford to just "buy an xbox" like you people in first world countries and quite frankly, I wouldn't waste my money on doing so for no other reason then to "prove it can be done on xbox." The point is, I can do it solo on a pc with a really bad internet speed, without being able to properly react to things that are occurring. Given those circumstances, I am fairly sure that even if we were to go along the lines of "the xbox is inferior," someone with a better ping then me living closer to the server will darn well be able to do it on xbox. If you don't want to believe me, that is fine, there is probably someone on the xbox playing right now who can prove you wrong though.

cesar

thefabricant said:

Time played =/= skill, otherwise I would probably be one of the most skilled players in the game and I am not. Just for reference, my paladin alone has 408 hours on it and my wizard has 1488, let alone all of my other chars (I also play tr, dc and SW). If 1 player can solo elol, then 5 can do it easily and as for me buying an xbox, well let me put it to you this way:

I live an a 3rd world country (South Africa) and play this game with a ping that never drops below 500. I cannot afford to just "buy an xbox" like you people in first world countries and quite frankly, I wouldn't waste my money on doing so for no other reason then to "prove it can be done on xbox." The point is, I can do it solo on a pc with a really bad internet speed, without being able to properly react to things that are occurring. Given those circumstances, I am fairly sure that even if we were to go along the lines of "the xbox is inferior," someone with a better ping then me living closer to the server will darn well be able to do it on xbox. If you don't want to believe me, that is fine, there is probably someone on the xbox playing right now who can prove you wrong though.

PC and Xbox are two totally different platforms. Just because you could solo that dungeon on PC doesn't mean you'll be able to do it on Xbox. Ping is not the only factor in the equation.