[QoL] Power Points & Overflow Leveling

dersidius

Current it takes 1.7M EXP to get a low "chance" at a power point to further upgrade skills. I've personally heard horror stories of people going through 17 overflow levels with no power points granted.

These power points are huge when it comes to squeezing out damage or utility, and the grind to obtain them is ridiculous and not even guaranteed.

So here are some suggestions on the current system, and I wan't the communities answer.

zeusom

Power Points should be awarded after EVERY OTHER Level.

Being a person who got ONE frickin powerpoint in SIXTEEN (16) overflows since module 6 launch (over 20 million XP for 1 powerpoint) I think you should get a powerpoint with each and every 1.7million XP overflow, 100% drop guarenteed. But to be more conservative and realistic with the way these devs can be brutal, I voted for every 2 overflows.

Get this.
20million XP.
1 Powerpoint.
Ridiculous.

I understand its an RNG chance and I had bad bad luck, but because powerpoint are of core/critical progression importance coupled with the huge amount of XP required for a *chance* at them, obtaining them should NOT be luck. Period. 3million XP from level 1 to 70. More than have that for just a CHANCE at a powerpoint. Nope. Not even wrong.

bioshrike

I'm kind of between the first 2 options; Either the amount of XP to level post-70 should be reduced OR every post-70 level should award a power point. I don't think they need to do both...

sorce

Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

Whilst I said every level, there are actually two options I'd pick from:

a)Leave XP requirements as is and award every level
--OR--
b)Reduce XP requirements (lets say 1 mil) and keep as a random chance.

tantrumusmaximus

The amount of Overflow EXP needed needs to be reduced; Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

It's simply HAMSTER and cruel to players as implemented. Sorry if you are going to add a 4th rank to powers and have them add up to so much more functionality to a char it becomes ridiculous to tie it to a RNG... If a player works for 1.7M XP you really should reward them!

My last reward was (3) rank 5 enchants! THANKS!!!!

While I enjoy a long standing character progression it shouldnt be based on an RNG chance for my efforts!!!

I'm actually shocked there isnt a $50 "Unlock all PP" in the ZEN Market yet.

I've said it once I'll say it again... when you add up the benefits of all (9) 4th PP unlocks active in your hotbar it far outweighs gear bonuses.

You are talking nice consistent bonuses on avg per power that you unlock across your character etc... it really amounts to a lot.

Furthermore new players are scrooed while pre-MOD6 players like my GWF have them all unlocked with far less effort.

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jugger71

Increase amount of overflow needed and make power point 100% every level. My choice was not on the list. :P

dersidius

Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

It's truly just a frustrating mechanic as is and discourages people from wanting to play multiple toons, or even bother with 1

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urabask

Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

jugger71 said:

Increase amount of overflow needed and make power point 100% every level. My choice was not on the list. :P

How often are you people hitting overflow rewards that you'd want it increased? O_o

ryoshinette

Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

Flawless Shaphire - Flawless reward for millions of EXP.

98 power points here

cizkejk

The amount of Overflow EXP needed needs to be reduced; Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

Please remove rank 5 enchantments in overflow rewards :S i got few r5 in last 3 xp overflow rewards. not nice cryptic..

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tantrumusmaximus

The amount of Overflow EXP needed needs to be reduced; Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

jugger71 said:

Increase amount of overflow needed and make power point 100% every level. My choice was not on the list. :P

Sounds like someone with way too much time on their hands for video gaming compared to "real" people with wives/families and other social commitments than just an MMO! Sorry buddy you got your right to an opinion but it's crazy already. The overflow used to be a minor thing that happened frequently and the RNG wasnt so bad then, now it's almost 3X pre MOD6.

suicidalgodot

The amount of Overflow EXP needed needs to be reduced; Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

XP demand needs to be reduced. When and if it's reduced far enough (like to ye awlde 375k, IIRC) the RNGeezuz thing could be OK-ish. So I voted what came closest to my opinion...

silverkelt

The amount of Overflow EXP needed needs to be reduced; Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

This morning.. 1 flawless saphire.. one!

The only thing we want is powerpoints! You can remove the rest of the garbage.. if you want to be totally Santa Clause, leave them , but ALWAYS reward the power point..

It takes quite long enough to get to one.. it should be a happy dance reward.. not a ... IM logging now reward, screw it.

plasticbat

IMO, if your char needs power point, you care about power point.
If your char does not need power point, you don't care about power point. Getting power point is a waste.
In that case, I want the 30K AD.

I would like them to give me a choice to select what I want.

No, they are not going to give that to me.

I choose none of the above.

pando83

Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

Current overflow is 1.7M exp.
Completing quests in SH, running content, you get a very small amount of exp if compared to that amount. 6k-12k from quests, some small amounts from mobs when running dungeons... basically:

17.000exp= 1% of overflow
Bigger repeatable gives 12.000=0,7% of overflow
Normal repeatable gives 6.000= 0,35% of overflow
Mixing them up, we can say 0.5% of overflow each quest

These quests, done in speed and picking them up in a smart way (choosing the ones in the same area), still require a few minutes to complete, we can say at least 5 minutes average, being optimistic, taking into account the time to pick up quests and move to the quest area. 5 minutes for 0,5% of overflow. Means that doing only repeatable quests for 2 hours a day you earn 0,5x12=6% of exp overflow.

if you are geared enough to basically breeze through them, doing only those quests for 2 hours a day. Add scaps from mobs killed.
So if you only do repeatable quests for exp 2 hours every day, you cap the overflow in about 2 weeks.

30 hours of PvE quests, 1,7M exp, to get 3x rank 5s. Or an opal.

We're not talking about a "extra bonus" you get like the tarmalune bars from lockboxes, cause running normal end-game dungeons or PvP you get far less experience. You must FOCUS on exp to cap overflow in 2 weeks. It's not a bonus "extra".

I think the effort you make to collect 1,7M exp is well worth a 100% sure power point till the day you cap the power points amount, and after that it should grant either 50k AD (not RAD) or rank7 enchants, with a chance to drop a rank8 enchant or something better with a very low chance.

Now that is a reasonable reward for such a big amount of exp (1,7M) at such a slow rate (0,X% each quest) in end game gameplay.

dersidius

Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

pando83 said:

Current overflow is 1.7M exp.
Completing quests in SH, running content, you get a very small amount of exp if compared to that amount. 6k-12k from quests, some small amounts from mobs when running dungeons... basically:

17.000exp= 1% of overflow
Bigger repeatable gives 12.000=0,7% of overflow
Normal repeatable gives 6.000= 0,35% of overflow
Mixing them up, we can say 0.5% of overflow each quest

These quests, done in speed and picking them up in a smart way (choosing the ones in the same area), still require a few minutes to complete, we can say at least 5 minutes average, being optimistic, taking into account the time to pick up quests and move to the quest area. 5 minutes for 0,5% of overflow. Means that doing only repeatable quests for 2 hours a day you earn 0,5x12=6% of exp overflow.

if you are geared enough to basically breeze through them, doing only those quests for 2 hours a day. Add scaps from mobs killed.
So if you only do repeatable quests for exp 2 hours every day, you cap the overflow in about 2 weeks.

30 hours of PvE quests, 1,7M exp, to get 3x rank 5s. Or an opal.

We're not talking about a "extra bonus" you get like the tarmalune bars from lockboxes, cause running normal end-game dungeons or PvP you get far less experience. You must FOCUS on exp to cap overflow in 2 weeks. It's not a bonus "extra".

I think the effort you make to collect 1,7M exp is well worth a 100% sure power point till the day you cap the power points amount, and after that it should grant either 50k AD (not RAD) or rank7 enchants, with a chance to drop a rank8 enchant or something better with a very low chance.

Now that is a reasonable reward for such a big amount of exp (1,7M) at such a slow rate (0,X% each quest) in end game gameplay.

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The dev team needs to add more awards to the common player, and stop adding incredible incentives to the hands of the minor elite. The gear gap now is essentially insurpassable with skill (I'm not saying gear alone is all thats needed, a Geared player with skill still 100 - 0's a non skilled player) but if someone has the bear minmum pvp gear, they should have a chance to win with skill.


A change like this is only logical and adds to more damage %'s that can close the gap between the new players and elitist crowds. This change would also allow for some worth to be put into the fact that it's your "main class" when talking about using multiple toons.

Knowledge = Power.

klangeddin

The amount of Overflow EXP needed needs to be reduced; Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

Look no further than RIFT to see a proper system for post max level exp use.
Can't they just copy that? Sigh...

Anyways, our current system here is just an afterthought, just pretend it's not there and you won't get as mad when you'll get your 3 rank 5 enchants.

dersidius

Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

klangeddin said:

Look no further than RIFT to see a proper system for post max level exp use.
Can't they just copy that? Sigh...

Anyways, our current system here is just an afterthought, just pretend it's not there and you won't get as mad when you'll get your 3 rank 5 enchants.

I would agree... except for some classes that extra power point is HUGE

Just some examples

TR - ITC for 1 more second (Lol you don't know how big that is)
CW - Shield gets more passive Defense
GWF - Hidden Daggers / Weapon Master/ Destroyer gets more damage stacks
GF - ITF gets 25% more damage boost... LOL
SW - Borrowed gets more Inc heal per soul spark

the list goes on... these power points are huge for min/maxing.

hedgebet

Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

I don't know, I sort of am trying to collect those completely worthless bound companion experience tomes I get from the overflow. I figure just a few more and I will have them all...

dersidius

Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

hedgebet said:

I don't know, I sort of am trying to collect those completely worthless bound companion experience tomes I get from the overflow. I figure just a few more and I will have them all...

Well I've gotten 5 opals for 10m Exp thus far, I think it's a pretty good trade...

zebular

The amount of Overflow EXP needed needs to be reduced; Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

Pre-level 70 cap, I felt Overflow was fine as it is. Now though, not so much. It seems to reward much less and even more rare than a good reward are the power points. I feel that now with all that has changed, Overflow rewards should be a consistent reward, not random luck.

My preferred choice now would be that "The amount of Overflow EXP needed needs to be reduced; Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level." Yet, at the very least I feel "Power Points should be awarded after EVERY OTHER Level." Regardless, it should be a consistent reward, not RNG.

dersidius

Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

zebular said:

Pre-level 70 cap, I felt Overflow was fine as it is. Now though, not so much. It seems to reward much less and even more rare than a good reward are the power points. I feel that now with all that has changed, Overflow rewards should be a consistent reward, not random luck.

My preferred choice now would be that "The amount of Overflow EXP needed needs to be reduced; Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level." Yet, at the very least I feel "Power Points should be awarded after EVERY OTHER Level." Regardless, it should be a consistent reward, not RNG.

The issue with RNG in this case is that your normal player feels like their goal is unreachable, with no steady progress being made. The grind alone is hard, the reward should be consistent and feel... well, rewarding.

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dersidius

Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

magenubbie said:

zebular said:

Pre-level 70 cap, I felt Overflow was fine as it is. Now though, not so much. It seems to reward much less and even more rare than a good reward are the power points. I feel that now with all that has changed, Overflow rewards should be a consistent reward, not random luck.

My preferred choice now would be that "The amount of Overflow EXP needed needs to be reduced; Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level." Yet, at the very least I feel "Power Points should be awarded after EVERY OTHER Level." Regardless, it should be a consistent reward, not RNG.

This basically. However, instead of every level I'll settle for every other level. One every level would make it a bit too easy in my opinion.

I'm still on the fence about the top 3 options, But something certainly needs to be done.

jugger71

Thats exactly my point and why I suggest an increase in exp needed. These power points should absolutely NOT be easy to come by.

That being said, waiting for rnGods to shine kindly on you is a slap in the face.

Again, increase xp needed and 100% success gaining power pt.

dersidius

Power Points should be awarded after EVERY Level.

jugger71 said:

Thats exactly my point and why I suggest an increase in exp needed. These power points should absolutely NOT be easy to come by.

That being said, waiting for rnGods to shine kindly on you is a slap in the face.

Again, increase xp needed and 100% success gaining power pt.

Dude... it takes 7200000 Exp to get to level 70, 1.7m is almost a third of the total expirence needed for level 70... don't you think thats overkill?

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jugger71

Yeah, I agree. Its crazy high. I just think making it 100% gain power point as it is would be too much. Just my opinion. I want it to be rare when a person gets a power point. Something to look forward and be geeked about. Right now, its way too rare and feels like a slap in the face when you dont get it. Its backwards and counter-intuitive.

Why Cryptic insists on pissing its customers off as opposed to rewarding them with something to feel good about is beyond me.

I would suggest a fresh 70 gets 5 power points right of the bat as a reward. But im just some dork playing an mmo. Or whatever...