This is the real "elephant in the room" for this thread.
PVP is starving without rewards
1. Please give us Daily PVP missions that reward Questionite.
2. Please give us an exchange rate between Acclaim and Recognition so that PVP has access to all "On Alert" PVE rewards.
There is a ton of fun in this game. Maybe you guys need to realize you are mmo locusts, and NO Mmo will ever satisfy you for long.
I am still having fun, so are my friends, but we are casual gamers.
And last I checked casuals are the future.
It's a pretty big stretch to equate a belief that CO has some fairly serious problems with one being an MMO locust who cannot be satisfied with any MMO for long.
Funny thing is that many (if not most or all) of those, "bitter, oldies," that you refer to are casual gamers as well. And as casual gamers, and customers of Cryptic/PWE, many of them having played other games for years, they have concerns about the game.
You know how you can tell that they are casual gamers (other than by asking or knowing them personally) ?
They are still here. CO has NEVER been oriented toward hardcore gamers.
Supposedly (and I believe this too) casual gamers are the future. They are the majority of the gaming population. And yet this supposedly amazing example of a casual game doesn't seem to be able to attract and maintain a high population of them, even by offering the game for free.
When most people seemingly won't stick with your product, even when you offer it for free...
On the one hand, there are a lot less people actively playing the game nowadays...
On the other hand, they do seem to be coming out with content more regularly now...
Of course... the game is still too easy...
...ah well, only one thing to do I guess...
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Before pointing that finger, maybe you should look in the mirror.
I tell people that aren't passing on the right info that they aren't passing on the right info.. and then I provide the right info.
No you're not.
I'm not telling you what to post.
Really? Because that's what it looks like what you're doing.
I'm not at odds with documented facts, I'm quite in-tune with them. It might be that other people don't know what they are?
You're not in tune with any facts. For example, you thought Biff was "gone" and an employee of Cryptic. He is and was neither of these things. So much for being in tune with "facts."
The bottom line is:
The game isn't going under.
I don't think anyone has actually said that it was. In fact, everyone's actually concerned about the stagnant development of new content or the apparent lack of resources and devs thrown our way.
They just announced new content
Temporary like the current event to be cycled out like Nighthawk and so forth. And as Biff pointed out how the Lemurian Invasion content could be played through in less than half an hour, it doesn't instill a lot of confidence for this Forum Malvanum.
But I"m wrong, of course.. as always.
Glad you were big enough to admit that.
You guys are about enough to make me just want to stop posting and let you kill the game.
The only thing that would kill the game would the lack of any criticism at all, because it would allow Cryptic to completely continue with their neglect of CO unopposed.
Just to be clear, I wanted to add a few more things to my previous post (#157):
Mensar is an alright sorts. He's a fair trader, very trustworthy in trades, and he knows current pricing on stuff like the back of his hand. In fact of the only 3 negatives I've seen with his behavior, two of them are just recently on these forums (one of them being some of his comments on this thread/topic). In other words he's coming off poorly on the forums as of late, but is an alright & trustworthy sort in-game.
Thus I strongly disagree with KenpoJuJitsu, and I feel Kenpo should apologize to Mensar for his ad hominem comments.
To answer this topic's title's question directly:
No, I don't feel it os forgotten by the developers, community, or media.
Yes, I feel the game isn't being invested into financially hardly at all, and I can cite MANY factual management screw-ups, ridiculous pricing for microtransction (micro = small price tag but large volume of sales) F2P, numerous gameplay glitches which haven't been fixed, incorrect reward size v. effort (i.e.: Daily alert 2000 Q v. Aftershock for 2000 Q v. PvP queues for 0 Q; FFS a trained monkey could know which is the most effient way to get rewards!), and a high turnover/loss rate of veteran players.
So...
Forgotten? No.
Neglected? Yes.
There are serious issues that NEED to be fixed by the Cryptic dev staff and financial investment that is needed to give Champions the same revival that Star Trek Online got not all that long ago. It is because STO proved it possible and they have yet to put the same effort level into Champions that has gotten veteran people angry Mensar, and rightly so!
I prefer however to think proactively about what can be done to improve things. Criticism of the flaws and praise for the things being done well is just the first step. Can't stop there!
I tell people that aren't passing on the right info that they aren't passing on the right info.. and then I provide the right info.
I'm not telling you what to post. I'm telling what you SHOULDN'T post if you want the game to stick around at all. We're slower on getting updates because we have a smaller game population... It's obvious, but some people just want to be cynical no matter what.
I'm not at odds with documented facts, I'm quite in-tune with them. It might be that other people don't know what they are?
And yes, I did tell the people that were exploiting to pat themselves on the back, with a knife, firmly. That was my tongue-in-cheek way of explaining that I won't stand for cheaters. If you felt that was too strong, you might want to read some of the other posts before attacking mine
The bottom line is:
The game isn't going under.
They just announced new content, a new 6 week campaign with hints at a new race, new vehicle and possible new powers. Check out the FB page from time to time...
But I"m wrong, of course.. as always.
You guys are about enough to make me just want to stop posting and let you kill the game.
- Really? i love how you are totally contradicting yourself by saying that, telling people what NOT to post is still telling people what they can and can not post, and last time i checked free speech still exists.
- Funny.. they said the same thing about city of heroes and look what happened to it
- Content for 6 weeks and then being removed is NOT content its counterproductive BS, and a waste of time, resources, money and equals VERY poor decision making
- That's good that you can admit your wrong, shows you that own a set
criticism is a needed form of communication in games movies or whatever, lets take a recent CGI heavy movie for example, you get into a very heavy CGI scene and someone forgot to texture a large part of the model that is in the middle of the scene.
no one says anything about it and they continue work and ignore it since they are on a tight deadline, movie is released into theaters and it does ok for the first few days then people don't watch it anymore, they begin to lose money and they find out why AFTER the movie is released. all because no one said anything.
so if you want to keep putting your head in the sand and say its all good there's nothing wrong with the game without speaking up then go ahead all the power to you.
but don't go around and order and tell people what they can and can not post, just because you don't like what they are saying (on a public forum no less!) your not a dictator, or a king
Just to be clear, I wanted to add a few more things to my previous post (#157):
Mensar is an alright sorts. He's a fair trader, very trustworthy in trades, and he knows current pricing on stuff like the back of his hand. In fact of the only 3 negatives I've seen with his behavior, two of them are just recently on these forums (one of them being some of his comments on this thread/topic). In other words he's coming off poorly on the forums as of late, but is an alright & trustworthy sort in-game.
Thats all fine .. nonetheless Mensar is new to the game and doesn't know the history like that we got for example a new costume set each month .. until it stopped last August when the Vehicle Crap started.
And i don't even call costumes new real content .. but at least that was something new to start a new character to do the same old stuff. And now we don't even get that anymore.
Btw. i sit on 7736 CPs at the moment since i refuse to buy Lock-Box Keys or any Vehicle-Crap and else there is nothing worth to buy.
Every person that wants to try the game and comes in here to see all the trolling and negativity will be put off and would be incredibly stupid to even download the client.
Where will your precious content be then?
I"m fed up with the crying.. seriously. GROW UP, people.
You don't own the game, the people IN THE KNOW are trying to tell you what's going on, but you keep insulting, slandering and being rude to us. And, for the record, knowing the "history" of the game does nothing to see where it is now. I've been here since CLOSED BETA... It doesn't matter what we got in the past. I've said that.. how many times and avoided that subject. SO what if we got more "attention" under a different company. You have to deal with and like what we have now or just.. leave.
Of course, at some point, enough is enough.
So, I've had it. Run the game into the ground.. strap yourselves in and cry all the way until it hits the ground.
Have a GREAT time.
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Every person that wants to try the game and comes in here to see all the trolling and negativity will be put off and would be incredibly stupid to even download the client.
The only one trolling has been you.
I"m fed up with the crying.. seriously. GROW UP, people.
Every person that wants to try the game and comes in here to see all the trolling and negativity will be put off and would be incredibly stupid to even download the client.
Where will your precious content be then?
I"m fed up with the crying.. seriously. GROW UP, people.
You don't own the game, the people IN THE KNOW are trying to tell you what's going on, but you keep insulting, slandering and being rude to us. And, for the record, knowing the "history" of the game does nothing to see where it is now. I've been here since CLOSED BETA... It doesn't matter what we got in the past. I've said that.. how many times and avoided that subject. SO what if we got more "attention" under a different company. You have to deal with and like what we have now or just.. leave.
Of course, at some point, enough is enough.
So, I've had it. Run the game into the ground.. strap yourselves in and cry all the way until it hits the ground.
Have a GREAT time.
Pure venom.
I actually feel a bit insulted you'd write this after what I wrote above.
Everyone complaining/trolling/doing god knows what on this thread is wasting their time.
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Every person that wants to try the game and comes in here to see all the trolling and negativity will be put off and would be incredibly stupid to even download the client.
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Calling people who decide to try out the game stupid... yeah, that will certainly help to make possible new players feel like they should try the game. /facepalm
Hey, here's an idea... if you don't like threads where people complain, maybe don't click on them? Show a half ounce of self control, put your ego in check, and quit pretending you're on some campaign to get people to stop giving the game a bad image, we can all tell why you're really here and it has nothing to do with giving the game a better image... quite plainly because you haven't been doing that at all.
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Another thing you simply don't know is that a lot of the verterans like Kenpo and me and others
her have over 30-40 ore more max level characters that all went through the same content
again and again, and we are simply just starving for some REAL new content, so not justlockboxes and Vehicles but new ZONES or at least new APs or CSs.
Another thing you simply don't know is that a lot of the verterans like Kenpo and me and others
her have over 30-40 ore more max level characters that all went through the same content
again and again, and we are simply just starving for some REAL new content, so not justlockboxes and Vehicles but new ZONES or at least new APs or CSs.
I used to think like Mensar. However, in time I got a middleground position in this matter. It is true that forum negativity can scare a bit potential costumers but I would say at this stage of the game much of this stuff is vox populi in other sites. Therefore, I don't think it is too much a decisive factor.
I want to make clear that CO won't increase significantly its population if Cryptic does not push harder new things in quantity and quality. The year one excuse, when somebody slipped that we(the players ) needed to get more people so they could invest more in CO, was kind of lame. Unfortunately, it does not work that way, at least in the competing stage that is the mmo market. PWE/Cryptic has to be the one deciding if they have faith in the game potential or not. So far, they are confortable since the cost of running CO are pretty low and the revenue is still pretty good.
I don't blame those who complain since they are using the forums the way is intended.
I don't know what you people are saying? Forgotten, seriously?
We've recently gotten vehicles, a crazy lemurian invasion mega event, and obviously more AAA content is on its way.
NWO is going to be released soon too, and it's basically a CO fantasy mod.
Stop complaining and show more gratitude to the devs.
I don't know what you people are saying? Forgotten, seriously?
We've recently gotten vehicles, a crazy lemurian invasion mega event, and obviously more AAA content is on its way.
A "mega-event" that takes under a half-hour to do. Whoop-dee-doo. Meanwhile STO is getting a truckload of additions, including a whole new faction: Romulans.
But you say don't worry, we're getting lockboxes with vehicles in them, so we're not ignored. LMAO!!
NWO is going to be released soon too, and it's basically a CO fantasy mod.
Stop complaining and show more gratitude to the devs.
We have every right to complain if we don't feel like are needs are being met.
I don't know what you people are saying? Forgotten, seriously?
We've recently gotten vehicles, a crazy lemurian invasion mega event, and obviously more AAA content is on its way.
NWO is going to be released soon too, and it's basically a CO fantasy mod.
Stop complaining and show more gratitude to the devs.
Mentioning NWO in the same paragraph where you try to say CO isn't forgotten... wow. 10/10
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Meanwhile STO is getting a truckload of additions, including a whole new faction: Romulans.
To be fair. Ill believe its a full on complete faction when I see it. Just ask a Klink how they felt about the game launching with its promised two complete factions.
The fact that its taken over three years and the help of this new promised faction to even get the klinks back to a full on starting faction isnt much of a boast or selling point.
As far as the rest...well STO had lock boxes long before CO ever did. So, its not always best to wish for all the hand me downs from the bigger older siblings.
To be fair. Ill believe its a full on complete faction when I see it. Just ask a Klink how they felt about the game launching with its promised two complete factions.
The fact that its taken over three years and the help of this new promised faction to even get the klinks back to a full on starting faction isnt much of a boast or selling point.
As far as the rest...well STO had lock boxes long before CO ever did. So, its not always best to wish for all the hand me downs from the bigger older siblings.
I don't disagree. But lets also be honest here as well. Their expansion wont just be given away for free either. And you can bet if sales flop. It will be the last and only expansion they will see.
My point is, if you are looking for greener grass. You might wanna aim higher then anything in the Cryptic/PWE portfolio.
If you're unhappy with the game, just go play something else. Maybe Jade Dinasty or Raiderz would cater more to your tastes?
No, they would not.
I'm here because of the superheroes and the customizations herein that allow me to realize my concepts. DCUO lacks that latter criterion. And I'm not unhappy with the game; I'm unhappy with the way Cryptic is managing it--there is a difference.
Your attempts at trolling are pathetic, by the way.
I'm here because of the superheroes and the customizations herein that allow me to realize my concepts. DCUO lacks that latter criterion. And I'm not unhappy with the game; I'm unhappy with the way Cryptic is managing it--there is a difference.
Your attempts at trolling are pathetic, by the way.
Exactly... *IF* another superhero game comes along with both the degree of customization and something akin to freeform, then maybe I'll consider going elsewhere. Until that time comes, CO has most of what I'm looking for.
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Well since CoH got shut down CO really is the best of the remaining bunch.
DCUO while having probably better art direction in my opinion, along with a vastly better musical score fails completely on certain things.
Much like CoH, the higher tiered heroes in CO often play a backseat, mostly there as mission givers and lore dressing. DCUO has freaking SUPERMAN, seriously how is your noname hero going to compete with freaking Superman. The world belongs to the DC characters, your character is just someone in it if you get my drift. CO allows your character to be the hero instead of the guy who works for Batman.
The Costumes as gear thing...ech...yes I know CO does it but it does it with very few select pieces and it does it account wide, once you've gotten a costume piece, boom, there it is for all current and future characters. DCUO you have to go through the process of unlocking each new costume option on every. single. character.
It wouldn't be so bad if the starting options were actually kind of decent but say I wanted a voodoo Zombie, the pieces that make up that costume are really endgame only which means the character concept has to wait until they're nearly fully levelled to get the costume they deserve. In CO I can simply buy the pieces off the Auction house on an appropriate level character, use them and BOOM everybody gets them.
One of the biggest things for me was the fact I couldn't just be really tough, I had to be a fire, Ice or Earth user. Because it is even more action orientated than CO and designed for a console it means that having non-showey powersets like 'Invulnerability' or 'Willpower' to use CoH terms wouldn't work on the attention span lacking console generation, I doubt they would play a powerset where everything is just passive enhancements of their character.
CO by contrast lets those abilities be anything in character concept. Three of the defensive passives allow for a lot more wiggle room. You can be nearly invulnerable due to being the last son of a dead planet gifted with superhuman abilities, you could be in a suit of armour (low-tech or high tech), you skill at avoiding damage can be luck based powers, pure martial skill, alien or mutant reflexes.
DUCO allows game world to trump player created character concepts, everything has to strictly fit in with the DC style by contrast CO allows for the concept to trump the game world. You want to be a massive hammer using viking god who can hurl bolts of lightning and summon tornados? You want to be a hard boiled 50s detective who can summon the spirits of the dead to aid him in fighting crime? You want to be a ninja zombie ballerina? All completely doable in CO.
It is kind of sad that you can make better DC style characters in CO than you can in DCUO.
I don't want to be forced to cake myself in ice if I want to tank, I want to just be a guy who is unnaturally tough and focuses on hitting people with big sticks.
I'm here because of the superheroes and the customizations herein that allow me to realize my concepts. DCUO lacks that latter criterion. And I'm not unhappy with the game; I'm unhappy with the way Cryptic is managing it--there is a difference.
Your attempts at trolling are pathetic, by the way.
No need to insult me, I'm not responsible for your pathologic obsession.
If you're unhappy with the game, just go play something else. Maybe Jade Dinasty or Raiderz would cater more to your tastes?
You're making a very common mistake, here. We're not complaining about the game because we're unhappy with it, or hate it, or whatever- we're complaining because we love CO and want it to be better and for it to not die of neglect.
No need to insult me, I'm not responsible for your pathologic obsession.
Hah, funny you should say that, because obsession is the one thing driving the cheerleader squad to attempt to shut down people's valid concerns about the game, and boy are you guys in full force these days. Arrogantly telling people to go away and play another game is just one tactic. By the way guess what, you don't own their wallets nor their accounts.
You're making a very common mistake, here. We're not complaining about the game because we're unhappy with it, or hate it, or whatever- we're complaining because we love CO and want it to be better and for it to not die of neglect.
No you're the ones who're mistaken: You all obviously have been complaining for some time and it didn't achieve anything. So at this point you're just complaining for the sake of it.
Now some of you seem to believe insulting strangers on the internet might be the next step to fix everything.
Have fun with that while I have fun repelling Lemurian invaders. :rolleyes:
"Omg, stop talking bad things about my game! All of the hurts! It's starting to pull my head away from the clouds when I'm so dependent on that fuzzy warm feeling!"
If you're unhappy with the game, just go play something else. Maybe Jade Dinasty or Raiderz would cater more to your tastes?
if there were more superhero games, sure, raiderz is for fans of monster hunter . jade dyansty for..im not sure, it looks horrible, but seems more idealized chinese history so maybe dynasty warriors? point is if you want superheroes, not a lot of options. I know there is a game "project awakened" that looks promising, and saints row 4 looks to have superpowers, but its a surprisingly small niche for superhero games with customizable characters. wish it weren't.
You're making a very common mistake, here. We're not complaining about the game because we're unhappy with it, or hate it, or whatever- we're complaining because we love CO and want it to be better and for it to not die of neglect.
Totally agree with you.
But we've done this when this game was p2p, when this game was just F2P, when this game released "on alert" and again when they released this ridiculous vehicule update.
Isn't too late now when anyone can see how many people playing ? (if they know how to do that... It's so easy to see how many players are in each channels in every zone but I doubt that many players know to do it when i read some answers like "this is impossible to see how many people playing")
How many jokers have Cryptic again after the f2p launch, so many promotions, and two failing updates?
How much money they gain ? How much devs can they give to co ? How many new content can they create with theses ressources. This is the real question.
And we can see since many months what's the result of this equation.
The game is already neglected since a long time. It was since his first p2p release, and this is worse every year.
After a new zone (vibora), we had new APs and comic series. After that we had new alerts regularly, almost every month. Now we have 1 alert sometimes and some basic missions regularly.
Even if we like this game, i don't know how some guys can't see the state of the game, and can continue to hope the game will grow at a correct rate anymore.
Or they are new players here since less of one or two years...
I think the problem is that now the biggest competition for CO is out of the way (DCUO failed miserably on consoles and bleed subscribers so incredibly fast it wasn't funny, meaning it is hardly competition to CO anymore) why should they bother updating it?
Its not like the 'go somewhere else if you don't like it' works anymore. Before you had CoH which, while lacking freeform, was still stiff competition due to being more heavily supported but now CoH is gone, Cryptic/PW can be like "oh, so you don't like it? Well there isn't anywhere else to go so suck it up losers!".
I think the problem is that now the biggest competition for CO is out of the way (DCUO failed miserably on consoles and bleed subscribers so incredibly fast it wasn't funny, meaning it is hardly competition to CO anymore) why should they bother updating it?
Its not like the 'go somewhere else if you don't like it' works anymore. Before you had CoH which, while lacking freeform, was still stiff competition due to being more heavily supported but now CoH is gone, Cryptic/PW can be like "oh, so you don't like it? Well there isn't anywhere else to go so suck it up losers!".
Lack of competition breeds stagnation.
What really worries me is that you might be correct.
I think the problem is that now the biggest competition for CO is out of the way (DCUO failed miserably on consoles and bleed subscribers so incredibly fast it wasn't funny, meaning it is hardly competition to CO anymore) why should they bother updating it?
Its not like the 'go somewhere else if you don't like it' works anymore. Before you had CoH which, while lacking freeform, was still stiff competition due to being more heavily supported but now CoH is gone, Cryptic/PW can be like "oh, so you don't like it? Well there isn't anywhere else to go so suck it up losers!".
Lack of competition breeds stagnation.
Stagnation breeds unhappy customers. Unhappy customers become non-paying customers. I can't imagine that's a business strategy that came about on purpose.
Also don't forget you can keep in touch with your friend list when playing STO and NWO, making both games the equivalent of expansion packs! :eek:
...really? I honestly hope you're not the least bit serious and just a troll as Kojiro suggested above. I find it hard to believe anyone could type something out like and actually mean it.
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CoH went 4(?) years without any superhero competition, and did pretty good. CO has been abandoned since year 2.5. I think there is something else afoot.
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PVP is starving without rewards
1. Please give us Daily PVP missions that reward Questionite.
2. Please give us an exchange rate between Acclaim and Recognition so that PVP has access to all "On Alert" PVE rewards.
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
*shot for punning*
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Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Wrong.
You don't get to give orders to other people here.
And I'd really love to see you try that line on Jaybezz/Gamehobo, I'll bring popcorn to the sure-to-ensue flamewar. :biggrin:
Valid criticism isn't doom & gloom, it's common sense.
I don't think the game is going under, but I think it has serious issues.
Wrong.
Criticism is necessary, or you wouldn't know where to improve.
What you can do is make positives!
Ashensnow wins!
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
On the other hand, they do seem to be coming out with content more regularly now...
Of course... the game is still too easy...
...ah well, only one thing to do I guess...
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Before pointing that finger, maybe you should look in the mirror.
No you're not.
Really? Because that's what it looks like what you're doing.
You're not in tune with any facts. For example, you thought Biff was "gone" and an employee of Cryptic. He is and was neither of these things. So much for being in tune with "facts."
I don't think anyone has actually said that it was. In fact, everyone's actually concerned about the stagnant development of new content or the apparent lack of resources and devs thrown our way.
Temporary like the current event to be cycled out like Nighthawk and so forth. And as Biff pointed out how the Lemurian Invasion content could be played through in less than half an hour, it doesn't instill a lot of confidence for this Forum Malvanum.
Glad you were big enough to admit that.
The only thing that would kill the game would the lack of any criticism at all, because it would allow Cryptic to completely continue with their neglect of CO unopposed.
Mensar is an alright sorts. He's a fair trader, very trustworthy in trades, and he knows current pricing on stuff like the back of his hand. In fact of the only 3 negatives I've seen with his behavior, two of them are just recently on these forums (one of them being some of his comments on this thread/topic). In other words he's coming off poorly on the forums as of late, but is an alright & trustworthy sort in-game.
Thus I strongly disagree with KenpoJuJitsu, and I feel Kenpo should apologize to Mensar for his ad hominem comments.
To answer this topic's title's question directly:
No, I don't feel it os forgotten by the developers, community, or media.
Yes, I feel the game isn't being invested into financially hardly at all, and I can cite MANY factual management screw-ups, ridiculous pricing for microtransction (micro = small price tag but large volume of sales) F2P, numerous gameplay glitches which haven't been fixed, incorrect reward size v. effort (i.e.: Daily alert 2000 Q v. Aftershock for 2000 Q v. PvP queues for 0 Q; FFS a trained monkey could know which is the most effient way to get rewards!), and a high turnover/loss rate of veteran players.
So...
Forgotten? No.
Neglected? Yes.
There are serious issues that NEED to be fixed by the Cryptic dev staff and financial investment that is needed to give Champions the same revival that Star Trek Online got not all that long ago. It is because STO proved it possible and they have yet to put the same effort level into Champions that has gotten veteran people angry Mensar, and rightly so!
I prefer however to think proactively about what can be done to improve things. Criticism of the flaws and praise for the things being done well is just the first step. Can't stop there!
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
- Really? i love how you are totally contradicting yourself by saying that, telling people what NOT to post is still telling people what they can and can not post, and last time i checked free speech still exists.
- Funny.. they said the same thing about city of heroes and look what happened to it
- Content for 6 weeks and then being removed is NOT content its counterproductive BS, and a waste of time, resources, money and equals VERY poor decision making
- That's good that you can admit your wrong, shows you that own a set
criticism is a needed form of communication in games movies or whatever, lets take a recent CGI heavy movie for example, you get into a very heavy CGI scene and someone forgot to texture a large part of the model that is in the middle of the scene.
no one says anything about it and they continue work and ignore it since they are on a tight deadline, movie is released into theaters and it does ok for the first few days then people don't watch it anymore, they begin to lose money and they find out why AFTER the movie is released. all because no one said anything.
so if you want to keep putting your head in the sand and say its all good there's nothing wrong with the game without speaking up then go ahead all the power to you.
but don't go around and order and tell people what they can and can not post, just because you don't like what they are saying (on a public forum no less!) your not a dictator, or a king
The Nemesis system needs fixing and here's ideas:
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Thats all fine .. nonetheless Mensar is new to the game and doesn't know the history like that we got for example a new costume set each month .. until it stopped last August when the Vehicle Crap started.
And i don't even call costumes new real content .. but at least that was something new to start a new character to do the same old stuff. And now we don't even get that anymore.
Btw. i sit on 7736 CPs at the moment since i refuse to buy Lock-Box Keys or any Vehicle-Crap and else there is nothing worth to buy.
I give up.
Make your bed and lie in it.
Every person that wants to try the game and comes in here to see all the trolling and negativity will be put off and would be incredibly stupid to even download the client.
Where will your precious content be then?
I"m fed up with the crying.. seriously. GROW UP, people.
You don't own the game, the people IN THE KNOW are trying to tell you what's going on, but you keep insulting, slandering and being rude to us. And, for the record, knowing the "history" of the game does nothing to see where it is now. I've been here since CLOSED BETA... It doesn't matter what we got in the past. I've said that.. how many times and avoided that subject. SO what if we got more "attention" under a different company. You have to deal with and like what we have now or just.. leave.
Of course, at some point, enough is enough.
So, I've had it. Run the game into the ground.. strap yourselves in and cry all the way until it hits the ground.
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The only one trolling has been you.
See?
Pure venom.
I actually feel a bit insulted you'd write this after what I wrote above.
Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
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Calling people who decide to try out the game stupid... yeah, that will certainly help to make possible new players feel like they should try the game. /facepalm
Hey, here's an idea... if you don't like threads where people complain, maybe don't click on them? Show a half ounce of self control, put your ego in check, and quit pretending you're on some campaign to get people to stop giving the game a bad image, we can all tell why you're really here and it has nothing to do with giving the game a better image... quite plainly because you haven't been doing that at all.
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Another thing you simply don't know is that a lot of the verterans like Kenpo and me and others
her have over 30-40 ore more max level characters that all went through the same content
again and again, and we are simply just starving for some REAL new content, so not justlockboxes and Vehicles but new ZONES or at least new APs or CSs.
Cryptic heard this, and gave you...
NEW LOCKBOXES!
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Consolidate the currencies! (Please!)
Does your Champion have a theme song? (share it!)
Got a funny in-game screenshot? (share it!)
Please fix the Overdrive energy unlock! (Should help promote thematic build diversity!)
I want to make clear that CO won't increase significantly its population if Cryptic does not push harder new things in quantity and quality. The year one excuse, when somebody slipped that we(the players ) needed to get more people so they could invest more in CO, was kind of lame. Unfortunately, it does not work that way, at least in the competing stage that is the mmo market. PWE/Cryptic has to be the one deciding if they have faith in the game potential or not. So far, they are confortable since the cost of running CO are pretty low and the revenue is still pretty good.
I don't blame those who complain since they are using the forums the way is intended.
We've recently gotten vehicles, a crazy lemurian invasion mega event, and obviously more AAA content is on its way.
NWO is going to be released soon too, and it's basically a CO fantasy mod.
Stop complaining and show more gratitude to the devs.
A "mega-event" that takes under a half-hour to do. Whoop-dee-doo. Meanwhile STO is getting a truckload of additions, including a whole new faction: Romulans.
But you say don't worry, we're getting lockboxes with vehicles in them, so we're not ignored. LMAO!!
We have every right to complain if we don't feel like are needs are being met.
Mentioning NWO in the same paragraph where you try to say CO isn't forgotten... wow. 10/10
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To be fair. Ill believe its a full on complete faction when I see it. Just ask a Klink how they felt about the game launching with its promised two complete factions.
The fact that its taken over three years and the help of this new promised faction to even get the klinks back to a full on starting faction isnt much of a boast or selling point.
As far as the rest...well STO had lock boxes long before CO ever did. So, its not always best to wish for all the hand me downs from the bigger older siblings.
It's still more than what CO is getting.
I don't disagree. But lets also be honest here as well. Their expansion wont just be given away for free either. And you can bet if sales flop. It will be the last and only expansion they will see.
My point is, if you are looking for greener grass. You might wanna aim higher then anything in the Cryptic/PWE portfolio.
Actually my point is that Cryptic/PWE needs to water its grass.
You know, that's a really pithy response. Kudos.
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If you're unhappy with the game, just go play something else. Maybe Jade Dinasty or Raiderz would cater more to your tastes?
No, they would not.
I'm here because of the superheroes and the customizations herein that allow me to realize my concepts. DCUO lacks that latter criterion. And I'm not unhappy with the game; I'm unhappy with the way Cryptic is managing it--there is a difference.
Your attempts at trolling are pathetic, by the way.
Exactly... *IF* another superhero game comes along with both the degree of customization and something akin to freeform, then maybe I'll consider going elsewhere. Until that time comes, CO has most of what I'm looking for.
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DCUO while having probably better art direction in my opinion, along with a vastly better musical score fails completely on certain things.
Much like CoH, the higher tiered heroes in CO often play a backseat, mostly there as mission givers and lore dressing. DCUO has freaking SUPERMAN, seriously how is your noname hero going to compete with freaking Superman. The world belongs to the DC characters, your character is just someone in it if you get my drift. CO allows your character to be the hero instead of the guy who works for Batman.
The Costumes as gear thing...ech...yes I know CO does it but it does it with very few select pieces and it does it account wide, once you've gotten a costume piece, boom, there it is for all current and future characters. DCUO you have to go through the process of unlocking each new costume option on every. single. character.
It wouldn't be so bad if the starting options were actually kind of decent but say I wanted a voodoo Zombie, the pieces that make up that costume are really endgame only which means the character concept has to wait until they're nearly fully levelled to get the costume they deserve. In CO I can simply buy the pieces off the Auction house on an appropriate level character, use them and BOOM everybody gets them.
One of the biggest things for me was the fact I couldn't just be really tough, I had to be a fire, Ice or Earth user. Because it is even more action orientated than CO and designed for a console it means that having non-showey powersets like 'Invulnerability' or 'Willpower' to use CoH terms wouldn't work on the attention span lacking console generation, I doubt they would play a powerset where everything is just passive enhancements of their character.
CO by contrast lets those abilities be anything in character concept. Three of the defensive passives allow for a lot more wiggle room. You can be nearly invulnerable due to being the last son of a dead planet gifted with superhuman abilities, you could be in a suit of armour (low-tech or high tech), you skill at avoiding damage can be luck based powers, pure martial skill, alien or mutant reflexes.
DUCO allows game world to trump player created character concepts, everything has to strictly fit in with the DC style by contrast CO allows for the concept to trump the game world. You want to be a massive hammer using viking god who can hurl bolts of lightning and summon tornados? You want to be a hard boiled 50s detective who can summon the spirits of the dead to aid him in fighting crime? You want to be a ninja zombie ballerina? All completely doable in CO.
It is kind of sad that you can make better DC style characters in CO than you can in DCUO.
I don't want to be forced to cake myself in ice if I want to tank, I want to just be a guy who is unnaturally tough and focuses on hitting people with big sticks.
No need to insult me, I'm not responsible for your pathologic obsession.
You're making a very common mistake, here. We're not complaining about the game because we're unhappy with it, or hate it, or whatever- we're complaining because we love CO and want it to be better and for it to not die of neglect.
Hah, funny you should say that, because obsession is the one thing driving the cheerleader squad to attempt to shut down people's valid concerns about the game, and boy are you guys in full force these days. Arrogantly telling people to go away and play another game is just one tactic. By the way guess what, you don't own their wallets nor their accounts.
No you're the ones who're mistaken: You all obviously have been complaining for some time and it didn't achieve anything. So at this point you're just complaining for the sake of it.
Now some of you seem to believe insulting strangers on the internet might be the next step to fix everything.
Have fun with that while I have fun repelling Lemurian invaders. :rolleyes:
respect for the vehicles.
Totally agree with you.
But we've done this when this game was p2p, when this game was just F2P, when this game released "on alert" and again when they released this ridiculous vehicule update.
Isn't too late now when anyone can see how many people playing ? (if they know how to do that... It's so easy to see how many players are in each channels in every zone but I doubt that many players know to do it when i read some answers like "this is impossible to see how many people playing")
How many jokers have Cryptic again after the f2p launch, so many promotions, and two failing updates?
How much money they gain ? How much devs can they give to co ? How many new content can they create with theses ressources. This is the real question.
And we can see since many months what's the result of this equation.
The game is already neglected since a long time. It was since his first p2p release, and this is worse every year.
After a new zone (vibora), we had new APs and comic series. After that we had new alerts regularly, almost every month. Now we have 1 alert sometimes and some basic missions regularly.
Even if we like this game, i don't know how some guys can't see the state of the game, and can continue to hope the game will grow at a correct rate anymore.
Or they are new players here since less of one or two years...
Its not like the 'go somewhere else if you don't like it' works anymore. Before you had CoH which, while lacking freeform, was still stiff competition due to being more heavily supported but now CoH is gone, Cryptic/PW can be like "oh, so you don't like it? Well there isn't anywhere else to go so suck it up losers!".
Lack of competition breeds stagnation.
What really worries me is that you might be correct.
Stagnation breeds unhappy customers. Unhappy customers become non-paying customers. I can't imagine that's a business strategy that came about on purpose.
Now look, new content:
http://co.perfectworld.com/news/?p=847551
http://co.perfectworld.com/news/?p=825851
Also don't forget you can keep in touch with your friend list when playing STO and NWO, making both games the equivalent of expansion packs! :eek:
1.- Because NCsoft were too Korean centric and didnt cared about Western market.
2.- wow... that is such a stretch... I would say moving the goalpost but looks more like moving the whole star system...
...really? I honestly hope you're not the least bit serious and just a troll as Kojiro suggested above. I find it hard to believe anyone could type something out like and actually mean it.
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CoH went 4(?) years without any superhero competition, and did pretty good. CO has been abandoned since year 2.5. I think there is something else afoot.
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