A small FYI. Having spoken with several of the guys at the late Paragon Studios, CoV was a massive bomb financially. They lost money bigtime due to people buying it, trying to play just villains, finding next to no-one around, or just getting frustrated with the layout of the maps, and leaving. Sure, the ATs were popular, but they didn't start seeing major life until people could switch sides. According to PS, CoV was "the single biggest failure we ever had, and the closest we came to closing up shop."
So if they do anything here, PLEASE don't make it like CoV.
Funny, in my six years of playing the game, once redside came out...I -never- had a problem finding a full team of eight players to run villain side content with. EVER.
In the time from the release of City of Villains to the shutdown....my friends list was full of people that loved redside and played it almost exclusively.( And it was almost two hundred strong, with THOSE friends able to call on a boatload of other friends just as dedicated to villains) Content and stories were better written, missions were tighter, more organized...lore was impeccable...
Also, having more than one opportunity to speak to Mr. Miller personally..or Melissa, or any of the developers that would show yearly while at Seattle PAX and the inevitable meet-n-greet afterwards.....never once did they say anything like that when asked about new redside content or zones, or about the history thereof.
Methinks you're just a redside hater.
Back on thread subject....insofar as showing SOME kind of attention to the game, adding a villain faction or the "Dark Champions" content would be a good thing.
Back on thread subject....insofar as showing SOME kind of attention to the game, adding a villain faction or the "Dark Champions" content would be a good thing.
I think it may have been Robobo that said that if he added villains, he wanted them to be more proactive than heroes. like you go out and commit crimes instead of what cov had, which many times had you stopping other villains and still feeling somewhat heroic.
A more sandbox style villain game play would be interesting.
Maybe something like mayhem missions but in the open world.
Or playing as your nemesis
Or maybe you could go team up with whatever villain faction is prominent in a part of a zone and commit crimes that would affect the climate of that part of the zone.
like a pve version of Recluse's Victory but deeper and maybe optional open world pvp.
Edit:
To clarify, i think there may be room for there to be some kind of system that lets players step into a villains shoes in a limited capacity but not a fully fleshed out 1-40 campaign.
Its not like we generate enough money for a villain system when the Nemesis system is still incomplete but its fun to imagine.
PVP is starving without rewards
1. Please give us Daily PVP missions that reward Questionite.
2. Please give us an exchange rate between Acclaim and Recognition so that PVP has access to all "On Alert" PVE rewards.
Quite easy to say what one would do in a situation. Totally different what one actually does.
Have you even put in an application to Cryptic if you are dying to get at the code or you just expect them to hand over their hard work to you?
I had done an application a long time ago.
And what you say makes no sense...whenever i prove something, i do 'without a doubt' in video evidence. I do THE MOST YOU CAN EVER DO to prove things.
To say im all words and no action after my past on here?...well simply i think that you have no idea who i am or what iv been through and experienced. I must chuckle.
I know i can fix this game, and it would be childs-play, some of us know this game better than the devs by a massive margin.
Playing as your Nemesis would be Brilliant! CoX had this thing where, when you left Pretoria, you fought yourself (not really, it was an impostor, but it looked like you and had your power sets). Making something like that so you could commit crimes and even fight yourself as your Nemesis would be... just... win.
And, guys, watch the axe grinding, don't get this thread locked, I really think it's a good thread that I hope will get some attention.
And what you say makes no sense...whenever i prove something, i do 'without a doubt' in video evidence. I do THE MOST YOU CAN EVER DO to prove things.
To say im all words and no action after my past on here?...well simply i think that you have no idea who i am or what iv been through and experienced. I must chuckle.
I know i can fix this game, and it would be childs-play, some of us know this game better than the devs by a massive margin.
Oh I've seen you around for years saying the same old same old. I have never seen any of your videos, only a bunch of words that demand ludicrous things. You can't fix the game better than the devs because you have no access.
What you want is for someone to hand over all their work to you, with your stellar skillz you think you will make it better. This is not going to happen. I suggest you get another application into Cryptic, get yourself in a position to do what you say you can do, and then put up, or shut up. But sitting here selling yourself to us instead of selling yourself to Cryptic is doing nothing.
I have to say the proof is there when even awhile back a thread popped up in suggestions about porting the stances from STO over to CO. TB said that it couldn't happen because STO's code had evolved from CO's and the port over wouldn't be clean. They didn't keep Champs code up to date even then and now... well now we'll see.
As for proof of that thread.. I'm way, way too lazy to find it...
I say stuff and I say things, sometimes together but only when I'm feeling adventurous.
To be honest its obvious CO is somewhat forgotten. I mean Cryptic are onto their 3rd CO engine game. Why would they fuss to much when no 3 (engine wise) is just about out.
CO will get a little love this year I reckon but not until NWO is established . Not wanting to bring a downer on you guys but CO is looking somewhat old and crusty ( its nearly 4 years old and thats old for a video game ) and those of us that have played NWO beta know how much of an improvement it is over CO and STO.
Heck I reckon STO is the busted one outta the three I actually came from STO to CO and will most likely go from CO to NWO. I like Cryptic's style of game but I am not one to stick around in aging games. Thankfully Cryptic seem to be rather good at getting good MMO's out on a regular basis.
Now if for if their 4th game if they pulled CO2 outta the bag with some of the shiny from NWO i'd be happeh
And anyhoo with the more recent Cryptic games all the chat, buddy list , etc etc are carried over to the next game you dont have to start totally from scratch. They are the only MMO's I know of that are like that. The games basic engine will continue no matter what happens to one of the games.
Didn't really cry to much when City closed wont cry to much when CO closes but I don't see that happening for at least a few years yet. I'd give CO another 4 years (then maybe Xeno might attempt create a homage game that no one will care about then him and Golden Gal can get married :P ) . Then we can have the joy of CO vets moaning in the NWO forums about how it ain't CO XD
The above is a bit of a War and peace for morons so I will put it into more simple words.
Who really cares. I dont I've had my fun
And yew guys thought I was going soft GET OFFA MY BRIDGE! :O
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I think the CO reward for buying the Neverwinter pack should be a unique AF. Since TT has recently got one, the other member of the CO staff should be rewarded too, so lets all vote for the janitor to get his very own AF.
Oh I've seen you around for years saying the same old same old. I have never seen any of your videos, only a bunch of words that demand ludicrous things. You can't fix the game better than the devs because you have no access.
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Some may come and some may stay
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There is a ton of fun in this game. Maybe you guys need to realize you are mmo locusts, and NO Mmo will ever satisfy you for long.
I am still having fun, so are my friends, but we are casual gamers.
And last I checked casuals are the future.
When they show indifference to exploits, like one gaping one reported 4 times in PTS that exists on the Lemurian encounter on LIVE because of said indifference, it is not bitterness; it is criticism with a strong base to stand on.
When amateurish visual glitches, like the Liberty Airlines billboard, persist for months after reporting, it is not bitterness, it is a vindicated displeasure at a game falling apart.
Your refutations may be a veneer for something ulterior, but I thought I'd point out how they do not stand against reality.
Now if for if their 4th game if they pulled CO2 outta the bag with some of the shiny from NWO i'd be happeh
You and me both!
But my theory is that the next Cryptic MMO will probably something safe that mixes sci-fy and fantasy elements with action game-play akin to Wild Star.
Basically Wild Star with foundry.
PVP is starving without rewards
1. Please give us Daily PVP missions that reward Questionite.
2. Please give us an exchange rate between Acclaim and Recognition so that PVP has access to all "On Alert" PVE rewards.
There is a ton of fun in this game. Maybe you guys need to realize you are mmo locusts, and NO Mmo will ever satisfy you for long.
I am still having fun, so are my friends, but we are casual gamers.
And last I checked casuals are the future.
Its a pretty big stretch to equate a belief that CO has some fairly serious problems with one being an MMO locust who cannot be satisfied with any MMO for long.
Funny thing is that many (if not most or all) of those, "bitter, oldies," that you refer to are casual gamers as well. And as casual gamers, and customers of Cryptic/PWE, many of them having played other games for years, they have concerns about the game.
You know how you can tell that they are casual gamers (other than by asking or knowing them personally) ?
They are still here. CO has NEVER been oriented toward hardcore gamers.
Supposedly (and I believe this too) casual gamers are the future. They are the majority of the gaming population. And yet this supposedly amazing example of a casual game doesn't seem to be able to attract and maintain a high population of them, even by offering the game for free.
When most people seemingly won't stick with your product, even when you offer it for free, there might be a problem.
I didn't realize it was a matter of you "having a problem with it", but whether it broke the rules or not.
Thanks for the clarification.
It's not against the rules to create a new post that discusses the subject of a recently closed thread (correct me if I'm wrong). That may have been part of the rules before Perfect World's rules took over.
The rules do say not to create a thread that is the same as one that has been posted to in 30 days, but if I may make a judgment call, I'll say closed threads are not part of the equation. Just as Sticky threads being "exempt" from the necro-thread rule.
Even if your videos showed me your awesome skillz, that will not change the fact you are in no position to change jack crap.
Get yourself in that position, because no one is going to just hand you everything and say have at it.
Least i tried, much to say the least for you. Btw would you like to join the Snake hate club? there's shirts for your silly comments on people you dont know and never got to know before you judged them. :P
Least i tried, much to say the least for you. Btw would you like to join the Snake hate club? there's shirts for your silly comments on people you dont know and never got to know before you judged them. :P
Actually, honestresearcher- I'd like your help with a monster DPS build based around either munitions or power armor, if you can find the time.
When they show indifference to exploits, like one gaping one reported 4 times in PTS that exists on the Lemurian encounter on LIVE because of said indifference, it is not bitterness; it is criticism with a strong base to stand on.
When amateurish visual glitches, like the Liberty Airlines billboard, persist for months after reporting, it is not bitterness, it is a vindicated displeasure at a game falling apart.
Your refutations may be a veneer for something ulterior, but I thought I'd point out how they do not stand against reality.
^ this
when there are still bugs from beta after 3 years of reporting that are ignored that doesn't make for good ground to stand on with the creators that also does not have much to be said about the studios professionalism either.
also when you have the players (who pay to keep the game running) plea for things that are the most popular to be put in or expanded like the nemesis system and the foundry being added into game, being ignored that makes players angry. Angry players also won't pay for stuff anymore resulting in the games shut down
and at the end of the day, once CO shuts down and goes away i won't shed any tears and i'll have to say is good bye and good riddance.
Least i tried, much to say the least for you. Btw would you like to join the Snake hate club? there's shirts for your silly comments on people you dont know and never got to know before you judged them. :P
I don't hate you. Not a big fan of self pity though.
Least i tried, much to say the least for you. Btw would you like to join the Snake hate club? there's shirts for your silly comments on people you dont know and never got to know before you judged them. :P
You don't need to know someone or be a part of their "hate club" to think that some of the things they say are ridiculous.
There is a ton of fun in this game. Maybe you guys need to realize you are mmo locusts, and NO Mmo will ever satisfy you for long.
I am still having fun, so are my friends, but we are casual gamers.
And last I checked casuals are the future.
Some of us "bitter oldies" have been around from early on and supporting the game financially, especially during the first 2 years before the F2P conversion, to give Cryptic a reason to continue running the business of keeping this game up till this day, for you to make constant attacks against us. When did you start playing by the way?
It might sound self-entitled, but seeing that you think the "casuals" are the future and seem to want to leave the vets out of it, I don't feel bad for saying it. In fact I don't even think you really understand what a "casual" player is.
And just to clarify, I have nothing against newer players in general, just the ones who go all out in attacking the older ones who have been around longer to have experienced a history of problems to do with the company and think they know better.
And just to clarify, I have nothing against newer players in general, just the ones who go all out in attacking the older ones who have been around longer to have experienced a history of problems to do with the company and think they know better.
Some may even go so far as to waste their time trolling the forums of games they now refuse to play.
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
Hokay, this thread is devolving into people at opposite extremes going back and forth calling each other poopyheads--what is this, Congress? We have the bitter doomcriers on one extreme and the people saying the game is fun and we're lucky to have it and chastising people for saying anything critical on the other.
Let's look for a middle ground, a consensus. After reading the posts on this thread plus the one or two earlier threads on basically the same topic, this is what MOST people seem to be saying about Champions.
Overall, people seem to be saying that the game is fun and has great potential, but is suffering blatantly from neglect, and what little development there is seems geared towards squeezing money out of the current game rather than any eye towards long-term development--which is concerning for those who want to keep playing THIS game, but not so much to those that don't mind just rolling to the next one.
Now, personally, I just want to have access to a good Superhero MMO to play, and I do kind of hate that an IP like Champions didn't get a better shot. If, like Nepht mentioned, they roll out a CO2, or for that matter there ever is a CoH2, well, that'd be frikkin win/win.
2. Understand the game isn't going under, we have devs, there is no doom and gloom required here. We just got new content, there are issues with the format of the game coding vs. any other PWE game, STO is more popular so it's going to get more updates, etc.
Want to support the game and get more player base? Stop making these threads.
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2. Understand the game isn't going under, we have devs, there is no doom and gloom required here. We just got new content, there are issues with the format of the game coding vs. any other PWE game, STO is more popular so it's going to get more updates, etc.
Want to support the game and get more player base? Stop making these threads.
Hi Mensar,
I don't want to go head to head with you, because I really feel your heart is in the right place, so I won't post on this thread after this, but...
You can't define our options. If we have valid concerns and criticism, we can voice them. And stating your opinion strongly doesn't make it the final word. You are a vocal minority right now in your opinions.
Nuff said. Gonna step away from the forums for a while .
2. Understand the game isn't going under, we have devs, there is no doom and gloom required here. We just got new content, there are issues with the format of the game coding vs. any other PWE game, STO is more popular so it's going to get more updates, etc.
Want to support the game and get more player base? Stop making these threads.
Your second point is conjecture. RE: COH. It had devs and was meeting expectations.
We just got content. Yes we did. But compared to content development in the past it's piddling. More of a sop to try to keep what players remain happy.
I love CO, I want the game to succeed, but player enthusiasm isn't the primary answer.
More resources for bug fixes and content is needed.
Pure and simple.
Show me where fan enthusiasm every really saved a game. Especially considering the size of the CO player pool.
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An option from someone telling people what to do is never an option.
This is particularly interesting coming from you who in this thread claimed Smackwell "returning" (hint: he never left) was evidence of this games support when Smackwell is just another player like the rest of us whom main of us speak to almost daily while you were thinking he was "gone". Or your claim that the game was only properly integrated into PWE's roster 4 months ago when it was done well before that. Or you telling people if they suggested certain things it'd help out when there are numerous threads in the suggestion forums with the same "new" suggestions you made that predate your forum account's join date by over a year. In other words, a lot of stuff you post you don't even know what you're talking about but talking down to people as though you have credible information...talking down to people who know better no less.
You having a positive outlook doesn't make your outlook any better than those who don't. In some cases it's a breath of fresh air because this forum needs some people who are happy to balance things out a bit, but in other cases it's worse when your optimism is in direct opposition of historical facts.
Okay, does Tom's interview with the folks at Massively count as evidence CO isn't forgotten?
I for one am looking forward to adventuring in the Forum Malvanum - and watching Jay lose his stuff once again because it has nothing to do with Telepathy. (Still not sure why he cares, since by his own admission he doesn't play any more, but...)
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
2. Understand the game isn't going under, we have devs, there is no doom and gloom required here. We just got new content, there are issues with the format of the game coding vs. any other PWE game, STO is more popular so it's going to get more updates, etc.
Want to support the game and get more player base? Stop making these threads.
Sorry...
closing your eyes and shutting up expecting for the problems to magically disappear without our input or suggestions will not correct a damn thing.
Want the negativity to be toned down? Guess what... so do I... but unlike you, I'm not going to stay silent when I see a good game being ignored and cheated out of it's true potential due to lack of care.
There are many places where I said on what i would spend money... guess what... none of the current things such as vehicles and lockboxes are those... give me new powers, new costumes SG bases etc.. new stories and new areas... and I'll support beyond what I already have with my LTS... till then? no extras since there is nothing that strikes my fancy... plain as that
An option from someone telling people what to do is never an option.
This is particularly interesting coming from you who in this thread claimed Smackwell "returning" (hint: he never left) was evidence of this games support when Smackwell is just another player like the rest of us whom main of us speak to almost daily while you were thinking he was "gone". Or your claim that the game was only properly integrated into PWE's roster 4 months ago when it was done well before that. Or you telling people if they suggested certain things it'd help out when there are numerous threads in the suggestion forums with the same "new" suggestions you made that predate your forum account's join date by over a year. In other words, a lot of stuff you post you don't even know what you're talking about but talking down to people as though you have credible information...talking down to people who know better no less.
You having a positive outlook doesn't make your outlook any better than those who don't. In some cases it's a breath of fresh air because this forum needs some people who are happy to balance things out a bit, but in other cases it's worse when your optimism is in direct opposition of historical facts.
Fair points Kenpo...but lets take it in the context of who said it. I think Bacon is the last person ever to dream to tell peeps what to think ( comon its Bacon Overlord one of the nicest people in the game ^___^ ) . No what he was saying was clear as pie. The game aint going under it has devs not a lot but has devs CO isnt the a big hitter like STO so obviously STO will get most of the love. CO gets some love but only to the percentage of revenue it brings in. Fairs fair and all that.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Seems to me like having a second story arc in development is clear evidence that CO isn't forgotten.
Marginal evidence. The entire Harbinger event is. time and resource-wise, equivalent to a single Unimatrix encounter over in Star Trek Online. Plus, it is temporary, a seasonal event at best. And the new event is being advertised as More of The Same. In the meantime, our sister game STO just had the grand announcement of a third playable faction, in effect a 50% increase in permanent story content, in spite of the staff drawdowns for Neverwinter.
Much as I want the game to succeed, I am not going to be satisfied until we see the equivalent of a STO Season or a CoH Issue in production.
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2. Understand the game isn't going under, we have devs, there is no doom and gloom required here. We just got new content, there are issues with the format of the game coding vs. any other PWE game, STO is more popular so it's going to get more updates, etc.
Want to support the game and get more player base? Stop making these threads.
2. Understand the game isn't going under, we have devs, there is no doom and gloom required here. We just got new content, there are issues with the format of the game coding vs. any other PWE game, STO is more popular so it's going to get more updates, etc.
Want to support the game and get more player base? Stop making these threads.
^A little food for thought for the CO forum negativity cadre.^
If I were on the outside looking in checking out the CO forums to find out what this awesome looking game is all about, I would not want anything to do with it.
My love for for this game and my faith in Cryptic is what keeps me here.
Many of you are being toxic to this community and for those who don't believe me just look at the threads Smackwell has had to close because of those who are.
Thanks Mensar!! You are all right!
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2. Understand the game isn't going under, we have devs, there is no doom and gloom required here. We just got new content, there are issues with the format of the game coding vs. any other PWE game, STO is more popular so it's going to get more updates, etc.
Want to support the game and get more player base? Stop making these threads.
So, the way you support the game is by ignoring the problems.
Don't get me wrong, I LIKE the Lemurian invasion. But this is basically the biggest update storywise that I've seen in over a year. Keep doing LOTS more of the content and I'll feel a lot better about the game.
We want costumes and powersets and bugfixes, we want really useful control sets. Lockboxes are fine for what they do, but they're not what I want to pay for.
I am known widely as an optimist. This is not quite true. What I am is a contrarian. And hence, when I see cynics and despair junkies all around me -- around all of us -- screeching simpleminded whines and playground sneers, I am naturally drawn to poking at their lazy models of the world.
Even if the pessimists and cynics were right... and they aren't... they are totally not being helpful. Their attitude is the quintessence of laziness and voluptuously smug self-indulgence. A rationalization for indolence.
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
Okay, does Tom's interview with the folks at Massively count as evidence CO isn't forgotten?
I for one am looking forward to adventuring in the Forum Malvanum - and watching Jay lose his stuff once again because it has nothing to do with Telepathy. (Still not sure why he cares, since by his own admission he doesn't play any more, but...)
Seriously, I'm curious here. Who's this Tom Edwards, what happened to Brad Stokan and when did the switch happen?
Not like I think there's any difference i'm just surprised I missed the switchover.
Fair points Kenpo...but lets take it in the context of who said it. I think Bacon is the last person ever to dream to tell peeps what to think ( comon its Bacon Overlord one of the nicest people in the game ^___^ ) .
This is the same Bacon that calls people liars on the forum, tells people what to post and what not to post, posts inaccurate comments completely at odds with documented facts pertaining to the history of the game and its development, and tells people to stab themselves with knives Nepth. That's not nice in the slightest and you're right, that message is very clear. I didn't get the context of who said it wrong at all.
This is the same Bacon that calls people liars on the forum, tells people what to post and what not to post, posts inaccurate comments completely at odds with documented facts pertaining to the history of the game and its development, and tells people to stab themselves with knives Nepth. That's not nice in the slightest and you're right, that message is very clear. I didn't get the context of who said it wrong at all.
Really?! Again with the personal attacks, Kenpo.
I tell people that aren't passing on the right info that they aren't passing on the right info.. and then I provide the right info.
I'm not telling you what to post. I'm telling what you SHOULDN'T post if you want the game to stick around at all. We're slower on getting updates because we have a smaller game population... It's obvious, but some people just want to be cynical no matter what.
I'm not at odds with documented facts, I'm quite in-tune with them. It might be that other people don't know what they are?
And yes, I did tell the people that were exploiting to pat themselves on the back, with a knife, firmly. That was my tongue-in-cheek way of explaining that I won't stand for cheaters. If you felt that was too strong, you might want to read some of the other posts before attacking mine
The bottom line is:
The game isn't going under.
They just announced new content, a new 6 week campaign with hints at a new race, new vehicle and possible new powers. Check out the FB page from time to time...
But I"m wrong, of course.. as always.
You guys are about enough to make me just want to stop posting and let you kill the game.
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I tell people that aren't passing on the right info that they aren't passing on the right info.. and then I provide the right info.
I'm not telling you what to post. I'm telling what you SHOULDN'T post if you want the game to stick around at all. We're slower on getting updates because we have a smaller game population... It's obvious, but some people just want to be cynical no matter what.
I'm not at odds with documented facts, I'm quite in-tune with them. It might be that other people don't know what they are?
And yes, I did tell the people that were exploiting to pat themselves on the back, with a knife, firmly. That was my tongue-in-cheek way of explaining that I won't stand for cheaters. If you felt that was too strong, you might want to read some of the other posts before attacking mine
The bottom line is:
The game isn't going under.
They just announced new content, a new 6 week campaign with hints at a new race, new vehicle and possible new powers. Check out the FB page from time to time...
But I"m wrong, of course.. as always.
You guys are about enough to make me just want to stop posting and let you kill the game.
If posting a summary of what you've actually done on these forums is a personal attack then maybe you should reevaluate what you do on these forums to make that list less negative.
Like fearmongering, for instance. You should stop that, I hear it's going to kill the game.
I tell people that aren't passing on the right info that they aren't passing on the right info.. and then I provide the right info.
I'm not telling you what to post. I'm telling what you SHOULDN'T post if you want the game to stick around at all. We're slower on getting updates because we have a smaller game population... It's obvious, but some people just want to be cynical no matter what.
I'm not at odds with documented facts, I'm quite in-tune with them. It might be that other people don't know what they are?
And yes, I did tell the people that were exploiting to pat themselves on the back, with a knife, firmly. That was my tongue-in-cheek way of explaining that I won't stand for cheaters. If you felt that was too strong, you might want to read some of the other posts before attacking mine
The bottom line is:
The game isn't going under.
They just announced new content, a new 6 week campaign with hints at a new race, new vehicle and possible new powers. Check out the FB page from time to time...
But I"m wrong, of course.. as always.
You guys are about enough to make me just want to stop posting and let you kill the game.
Posting discontent is a valuable necessity on the forums. I've always believed this. If no one ever spoke up about what they're discontent with, things wouldn't change.
The fact that there's more complaining nowadays as opposed to a year ago is not just because older players are getting jaded. It's because older players were used to a certain comfort level that they're no longer experiencing. Liken it to getting a demotion and lowered pay at work.
People are used to seeing a calendar of what's to come. New items in the C Store every week. New comic series issue on the calendar. Developer communication. Things like that.
Do we have any of that today? The most notable content we've had in months is the Lemurian Invasion ending. The rest of the event was something an amateur could cook up in the Foundry in less than one work day. Okay, I'm assuming on that one, but honestly, two missions where your job is to go over yonder and kill like 9 dudes and click their glowy thing is not months' worth of content. Nor is the indoor mission, that thankfully, at least, wasn't like a Vibora Bay crypt mission. I did like this mission, but put into context it was not great.
What have the old players seen all this time when they've been expecting playable content? Lockboxes. Items hidden behind a lockbox paywall (Drifter Salvage).
So what does this all mean when you add it all up together? It means that the only additions we've gotten to the game in quite some time are ways to take our money (which some of us happily give them - I got myself a Widow bike that I really have no need for), but very, very little of that money seems to be put back into the game. For months we've seen tons of players on tanks and grav bikes, so you know that money is going into the game. And what have we gotten since vehicles launched? Three missions that you can do in 10 minutes and one boss battle.
We're used to so much more. If there wasn't people telling Cryptic that what they're doing at the moment is so much less, then you can expect this, what's going on now, to be the norm. And that, in my opinion, is a big disrespect to a very great game.
This is the same Bacon that calls people liars on the forum, tells people what to post and what not to post, posts inaccurate comments completely at odds with documented facts pertaining to the history of the game and its development, and tells people to stab themselves with knives Nepth. That's not nice in the slightest and you're right, that message is very clear. I didn't get the context of who said it wrong at all.
Kenpo I always respect your views but this time I have to disagree with you here. Its The Bacon Overlord >_> Seriously this guy goes out his way help new players, shoots down bigots in zone etc etc. Yes on the forums he is somewhat annoying ( just like myself ), Yes he is outspoken with his thoughts, he is stubborn as a mule, but he's Bacon Bish didn't you know? Anyhoo his in game actions speaks for them self.
Bacon's alright c'mon guys lets not degenerate into an argument here all Bacon Bish said was CO isnt dying and its getting some dev love. Ok he worded it badly but thats just how he is :I
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Funny, in my six years of playing the game, once redside came out...I -never- had a problem finding a full team of eight players to run villain side content with. EVER.
In the time from the release of City of Villains to the shutdown....my friends list was full of people that loved redside and played it almost exclusively.( And it was almost two hundred strong, with THOSE friends able to call on a boatload of other friends just as dedicated to villains) Content and stories were better written, missions were tighter, more organized...lore was impeccable...
Also, having more than one opportunity to speak to Mr. Miller personally..or Melissa, or any of the developers that would show yearly while at Seattle PAX and the inevitable meet-n-greet afterwards.....never once did they say anything like that when asked about new redside content or zones, or about the history thereof.
Methinks you're just a redside hater.
Back on thread subject....insofar as showing SOME kind of attention to the game, adding a villain faction or the "Dark Champions" content would be a good thing.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
A more sandbox style villain game play would be interesting.
Maybe something like mayhem missions but in the open world.
Or playing as your nemesis
Or maybe you could go team up with whatever villain faction is prominent in a part of a zone and commit crimes that would affect the climate of that part of the zone.
like a pve version of Recluse's Victory but deeper and maybe optional open world pvp.
Edit:
To clarify, i think there may be room for there to be some kind of system that lets players step into a villains shoes in a limited capacity but not a fully fleshed out 1-40 campaign.
Its not like we generate enough money for a villain system when the Nemesis system is still incomplete but its fun to imagine.
PVP is starving without rewards
1. Please give us Daily PVP missions that reward Questionite.
2. Please give us an exchange rate between Acclaim and Recognition so that PVP has access to all "On Alert" PVE rewards.
I had done an application a long time ago.
And what you say makes no sense...whenever i prove something, i do 'without a doubt' in video evidence. I do THE MOST YOU CAN EVER DO to prove things.
To say im all words and no action after my past on here?...well simply i think that you have no idea who i am or what iv been through and experienced. I must chuckle.
I know i can fix this game, and it would be childs-play, some of us know this game better than the devs by a massive margin.
Playing as your Nemesis would be Brilliant! CoX had this thing where, when you left Pretoria, you fought yourself (not really, it was an impostor, but it looked like you and had your power sets). Making something like that so you could commit crimes and even fight yourself as your Nemesis would be... just... win.
And, guys, watch the axe grinding, don't get this thread locked, I really think it's a good thread that I hope will get some attention.
Oh I've seen you around for years saying the same old same old. I have never seen any of your videos, only a bunch of words that demand ludicrous things. You can't fix the game better than the devs because you have no access.
What you want is for someone to hand over all their work to you, with your stellar skillz you think you will make it better. This is not going to happen. I suggest you get another application into Cryptic, get yourself in a position to do what you say you can do, and then put up, or shut up. But sitting here selling yourself to us instead of selling yourself to Cryptic is doing nothing.
I have to say the proof is there when even awhile back a thread popped up in suggestions about porting the stances from STO over to CO. TB said that it couldn't happen because STO's code had evolved from CO's and the port over wouldn't be clean. They didn't keep Champs code up to date even then and now... well now we'll see.
As for proof of that thread.. I'm way, way too lazy to find it...
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CO will get a little love this year I reckon but not until NWO is established . Not wanting to bring a downer on you guys but CO is looking somewhat old and crusty ( its nearly 4 years old and thats old for a video game ) and those of us that have played NWO beta know how much of an improvement it is over CO and STO.
Heck I reckon STO is the busted one outta the three I actually came from STO to CO and will most likely go from CO to NWO. I like Cryptic's style of game but I am not one to stick around in aging games. Thankfully Cryptic seem to be rather good at getting good MMO's out on a regular basis.
Now if for if their 4th game if they pulled CO2 outta the bag with some of the shiny from NWO i'd be happeh
And anyhoo with the more recent Cryptic games all the chat, buddy list , etc etc are carried over to the next game you dont have to start totally from scratch. They are the only MMO's I know of that are like that. The games basic engine will continue no matter what happens to one of the games.
Didn't really cry to much when City closed wont cry to much when CO closes but I don't see that happening for at least a few years yet. I'd give CO another 4 years (then maybe Xeno might attempt create a homage game that no one will care about then him and Golden Gal can get married :P ) . Then we can have the joy of CO vets moaning in the NWO forums about how it ain't CO XD
The above is a bit of a War and peace for morons so I will put it into more simple words.
Who really cares. I dont I've had my fun
And yew guys thought I was going soft GET OFFA MY BRIDGE! :O
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There is a ton of fun in this game. Maybe you guys need to realize you are mmo locusts, and NO Mmo will ever satisfy you for long.
I am still having fun, so are my friends, but we are casual gamers.
And last I checked casuals are the future.
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When they show indifference to exploits, like one gaping one reported 4 times in PTS that exists on the Lemurian encounter on LIVE because of said indifference, it is not bitterness; it is criticism with a strong base to stand on.
When amateurish visual glitches, like the Liberty Airlines billboard, persist for months after reporting, it is not bitterness, it is a vindicated displeasure at a game falling apart.
Your refutations may be a veneer for something ulterior, but I thought I'd point out how they do not stand against reality.
But my theory is that the next Cryptic MMO will probably something safe that mixes sci-fy and fantasy elements with action game-play akin to Wild Star.
Basically Wild Star with foundry.
PVP is starving without rewards
1. Please give us Daily PVP missions that reward Questionite.
2. Please give us an exchange rate between Acclaim and Recognition so that PVP has access to all "On Alert" PVE rewards.
Its a pretty big stretch to equate a belief that CO has some fairly serious problems with one being an MMO locust who cannot be satisfied with any MMO for long.
Funny thing is that many (if not most or all) of those, "bitter, oldies," that you refer to are casual gamers as well. And as casual gamers, and customers of Cryptic/PWE, many of them having played other games for years, they have concerns about the game.
You know how you can tell that they are casual gamers (other than by asking or knowing them personally) ?
They are still here. CO has NEVER been oriented toward hardcore gamers.
Supposedly (and I believe this too) casual gamers are the future. They are the majority of the gaming population. And yet this supposedly amazing example of a casual game doesn't seem to be able to attract and maintain a high population of them, even by offering the game for free.
When most people seemingly won't stick with your product, even when you offer it for free, there might be a problem.
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It's not against the rules to create a new post that discusses the subject of a recently closed thread (correct me if I'm wrong). That may have been part of the rules before Perfect World's rules took over.
The rules do say not to create a thread that is the same as one that has been posted to in 30 days, but if I may make a judgment call, I'll say closed threads are not part of the equation. Just as Sticky threads being "exempt" from the necro-thread rule.
That covers video games in general the older it gets the less interest it gathers. Gamers move onto newer stuff.
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Even if your videos showed me your awesome skillz, that will not change the fact you are in no position to change jack crap.
Get yourself in that position, because no one is going to just hand you everything and say have at it.
Least i tried, much to say the least for you. Btw would you like to join the Snake hate club? there's shirts for your silly comments on people you dont know and never got to know before you judged them. :P
^ this
when there are still bugs from beta after 3 years of reporting that are ignored that doesn't make for good ground to stand on with the creators that also does not have much to be said about the studios professionalism either.
also when you have the players (who pay to keep the game running) plea for things that are the most popular to be put in or expanded like the nemesis system and the foundry being added into game, being ignored that makes players angry. Angry players also won't pay for stuff anymore resulting in the games shut down
and at the end of the day, once CO shuts down and goes away i won't shed any tears and i'll have to say is good bye and good riddance.
The Nemesis system needs fixing and here's ideas:
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I don't hate you. Not a big fan of self pity though.
You don't need to know someone or be a part of their "hate club" to think that some of the things they say are ridiculous.
Some of us "bitter oldies" have been around from early on and supporting the game financially, especially during the first 2 years before the F2P conversion, to give Cryptic a reason to continue running the business of keeping this game up till this day, for you to make constant attacks against us. When did you start playing by the way?
It might sound self-entitled, but seeing that you think the "casuals" are the future and seem to want to leave the vets out of it, I don't feel bad for saying it. In fact I don't even think you really understand what a "casual" player is.
And just to clarify, I have nothing against newer players in general, just the ones who go all out in attacking the older ones who have been around longer to have experienced a history of problems to do with the company and think they know better.
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LOL,
You enjoy CO as you wish and he will do the same.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
Let's look for a middle ground, a consensus. After reading the posts on this thread plus the one or two earlier threads on basically the same topic, this is what MOST people seem to be saying about Champions.
Overall, people seem to be saying that the game is fun and has great potential, but is suffering blatantly from neglect, and what little development there is seems geared towards squeezing money out of the current game rather than any eye towards long-term development--which is concerning for those who want to keep playing THIS game, but not so much to those that don't mind just rolling to the next one.
Now, personally, I just want to have access to a good Superhero MMO to play, and I do kind of hate that an IP like Champions didn't get a better shot. If, like Nepht mentioned, they roll out a CO2, or for that matter there ever is a CoH2, well, that'd be frikkin win/win.
LOL, "may be". Always the one with class Brou.
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You have clear options.
1. Stop playing and/or posting negative stuff.
2. Understand the game isn't going under, we have devs, there is no doom and gloom required here. We just got new content, there are issues with the format of the game coding vs. any other PWE game, STO is more popular so it's going to get more updates, etc.
Want to support the game and get more player base? Stop making these threads.
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Hi Mensar,
I don't want to go head to head with you, because I really feel your heart is in the right place, so I won't post on this thread after this, but...
You can't define our options. If we have valid concerns and criticism, we can voice them. And stating your opinion strongly doesn't make it the final word. You are a vocal minority right now in your opinions.
Nuff said. Gonna step away from the forums for a while
Nice. Real class there. Anymore edicts you would like to enforce on us poor huddled masses.
Your second point is conjecture. RE: COH. It had devs and was meeting expectations.
We just got content. Yes we did. But compared to content development in the past it's piddling. More of a sop to try to keep what players remain happy.
I love CO, I want the game to succeed, but player enthusiasm isn't the primary answer.
More resources for bug fixes and content is needed.
Pure and simple.
Show me where fan enthusiasm every really saved a game. Especially considering the size of the CO player pool.
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An option from someone telling people what to do is never an option.
This is particularly interesting coming from you who in this thread claimed Smackwell "returning" (hint: he never left) was evidence of this games support when Smackwell is just another player like the rest of us whom main of us speak to almost daily while you were thinking he was "gone". Or your claim that the game was only properly integrated into PWE's roster 4 months ago when it was done well before that. Or you telling people if they suggested certain things it'd help out when there are numerous threads in the suggestion forums with the same "new" suggestions you made that predate your forum account's join date by over a year. In other words, a lot of stuff you post you don't even know what you're talking about but talking down to people as though you have credible information...talking down to people who know better no less.
You having a positive outlook doesn't make your outlook any better than those who don't. In some cases it's a breath of fresh air because this forum needs some people who are happy to balance things out a bit, but in other cases it's worse when your optimism is in direct opposition of historical facts.
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Sorry...
closing your eyes and shutting up expecting for the problems to magically disappear without our input or suggestions will not correct a damn thing.
Want the negativity to be toned down? Guess what... so do I... but unlike you, I'm not going to stay silent when I see a good game being ignored and cheated out of it's true potential due to lack of care.
There are many places where I said on what i would spend money... guess what... none of the current things such as vehicles and lockboxes are those... give me new powers, new costumes SG bases etc.. new stories and new areas... and I'll support beyond what I already have with my LTS... till then? no extras since there is nothing that strikes my fancy... plain as that
Fair points Kenpo...but lets take it in the context of who said it. I think Bacon is the last person ever to dream to tell peeps what to think ( comon its Bacon Overlord one of the nicest people in the game ^___^ ) . No what he was saying was clear as pie. The game aint going under it has devs not a lot but has devs CO isnt the a big hitter like STO so obviously STO will get most of the love. CO gets some love but only to the percentage of revenue it brings in. Fairs fair and all that.
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Marginal evidence. The entire Harbinger event is. time and resource-wise, equivalent to a single Unimatrix encounter over in Star Trek Online. Plus, it is temporary, a seasonal event at best. And the new event is being advertised as More of The Same. In the meantime, our sister game STO just had the grand announcement of a third playable faction, in effect a 50% increase in permanent story content, in spite of the staff drawdowns for Neverwinter.
Much as I want the game to succeed, I am not going to be satisfied until we see the equivalent of a STO Season or a CoH Issue in production.
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You don't tell us what to do.
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If I were on the outside looking in checking out the CO forums to find out what this awesome looking game is all about, I would not want anything to do with it.
My love for for this game and my faith in Cryptic is what keeps me here.
Many of you are being toxic to this community and for those who don't believe me just look at the threads Smackwell has had to close because of those who are.
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So, the way you support the game is by ignoring the problems.
Don't get me wrong, I LIKE the Lemurian invasion. But this is basically the biggest update storywise that I've seen in over a year. Keep doing LOTS more of the content and I'll feel a lot better about the game.
We want costumes and powersets and bugfixes, we want really useful control sets. Lockboxes are fine for what they do, but they're not what I want to pay for.
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Seriously, I'm curious here. Who's this Tom Edwards, what happened to Brad Stokan and when did the switch happen?
Not like I think there's any difference i'm just surprised I missed the switchover.
Pretty much. Some people are just content to stick their head in the sand. The game is stagnating because of the neglect and they don't care at all.
This is the same Bacon that calls people liars on the forum, tells people what to post and what not to post, posts inaccurate comments completely at odds with documented facts pertaining to the history of the game and its development, and tells people to stab themselves with knives Nepth. That's not nice in the slightest and you're right, that message is very clear. I didn't get the context of who said it wrong at all.
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Really?! Again with the personal attacks, Kenpo.
I tell people that aren't passing on the right info that they aren't passing on the right info.. and then I provide the right info.
I'm not telling you what to post. I'm telling what you SHOULDN'T post if you want the game to stick around at all. We're slower on getting updates because we have a smaller game population... It's obvious, but some people just want to be cynical no matter what.
I'm not at odds with documented facts, I'm quite in-tune with them. It might be that other people don't know what they are?
And yes, I did tell the people that were exploiting to pat themselves on the back, with a knife, firmly. That was my tongue-in-cheek way of explaining that I won't stand for cheaters. If you felt that was too strong, you might want to read some of the other posts before attacking mine
The bottom line is:
The game isn't going under.
They just announced new content, a new 6 week campaign with hints at a new race, new vehicle and possible new powers. Check out the FB page from time to time...
But I"m wrong, of course.. as always.
You guys are about enough to make me just want to stop posting and let you kill the game.
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If posting a summary of what you've actually done on these forums is a personal attack then maybe you should reevaluate what you do on these forums to make that list less negative.
Like fearmongering, for instance. You should stop that, I hear it's going to kill the game.
See? I knew you had it in you.
Posting discontent is a valuable necessity on the forums. I've always believed this. If no one ever spoke up about what they're discontent with, things wouldn't change.
The fact that there's more complaining nowadays as opposed to a year ago is not just because older players are getting jaded. It's because older players were used to a certain comfort level that they're no longer experiencing. Liken it to getting a demotion and lowered pay at work.
People are used to seeing a calendar of what's to come. New items in the C Store every week. New comic series issue on the calendar. Developer communication. Things like that.
Do we have any of that today? The most notable content we've had in months is the Lemurian Invasion ending. The rest of the event was something an amateur could cook up in the Foundry in less than one work day. Okay, I'm assuming on that one, but honestly, two missions where your job is to go over yonder and kill like 9 dudes and click their glowy thing is not months' worth of content. Nor is the indoor mission, that thankfully, at least, wasn't like a Vibora Bay crypt mission. I did like this mission, but put into context it was not great.
What have the old players seen all this time when they've been expecting playable content? Lockboxes. Items hidden behind a lockbox paywall (Drifter Salvage).
So what does this all mean when you add it all up together? It means that the only additions we've gotten to the game in quite some time are ways to take our money (which some of us happily give them - I got myself a Widow bike that I really have no need for), but very, very little of that money seems to be put back into the game. For months we've seen tons of players on tanks and grav bikes, so you know that money is going into the game. And what have we gotten since vehicles launched? Three missions that you can do in 10 minutes and one boss battle.
We're used to so much more. If there wasn't people telling Cryptic that what they're doing at the moment is so much less, then you can expect this, what's going on now, to be the norm. And that, in my opinion, is a big disrespect to a very great game.
Kenpo I always respect your views but this time I have to disagree with you here. Its The Bacon Overlord >_> Seriously this guy goes out his way help new players, shoots down bigots in zone etc etc. Yes on the forums he is somewhat annoying ( just like myself ), Yes he is outspoken with his thoughts, he is stubborn as a mule, but he's Bacon Bish didn't you know? Anyhoo his in game actions speaks for them self.
Bacon's alright c'mon guys lets not degenerate into an argument here all Bacon Bish said was CO isnt dying and its getting some dev love. Ok he worded it badly but thats just how he is :I
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