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jolokia13
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That's right.
Shut up about this vehicle update.
1: YOU ASKED FOR IT.
2: YOU BUY THIS CRAP.
Which makes all of this YOUR fault.
Which directs me to point 3.
3: YOU KEEP COMPLAINING, YET YOU KEEP BUYING.
You're not going to get real content out of this game, unless you THE PLAYERBASE, takes action against this development team. YOU (the players) are steering the direction of this game in a negative direction by feeding them.
If you boycott these kinds of things (lockboxes and vehicles), they'll stop producing NON-CONTENT. I am a gold subscriber. I have never bought a lockbox, nor a lockbox key. And i NEVER WILL. Because it is shooting myself in the foot. It is counter-productive. It doesn't help Champions Online AT ALL. That money is NOT being put back into the game. It's being spent elsewhere on other projects.
Everytime you buy a lockbox, the digital gods cry.
Please stop buying things other than costumes from the C-store so we can get some content for Champions Online!
-Sincerely,
A very concerned citizen of Millennium City.
Shut up about this vehicle update.
1: YOU ASKED FOR IT.
2: YOU BUY THIS CRAP.
Which makes all of this YOUR fault.
Which directs me to point 3.
3: YOU KEEP COMPLAINING, YET YOU KEEP BUYING.
You're not going to get real content out of this game, unless you THE PLAYERBASE, takes action against this development team. YOU (the players) are steering the direction of this game in a negative direction by feeding them.
If you boycott these kinds of things (lockboxes and vehicles), they'll stop producing NON-CONTENT. I am a gold subscriber. I have never bought a lockbox, nor a lockbox key. And i NEVER WILL. Because it is shooting myself in the foot. It is counter-productive. It doesn't help Champions Online AT ALL. That money is NOT being put back into the game. It's being spent elsewhere on other projects.
Everytime you buy a lockbox, the digital gods cry.
Please stop buying things other than costumes from the C-store so we can get some content for Champions Online!
-Sincerely,
A very concerned citizen of Millennium City.
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You need to pick up a 'DON'T BUY!'sign and go wave it front of PW building. And hit people in the head with it everytime they walk past you.
You gain some news coveridge and people might actually see what you're trying to say.
And if you're a very concerned citizen of Millennium City, STOP fudging running after me. I don't like it. I might run you over with my tank.
And playing by myself since Aug 2009
Godtier: Lifetime Subscriber
In other words .. thats excactly my opinion
We just have to deal with it.
Secondly some of us like this new crap I have a tank..a FLYING TANK!..how is that in anyway crap?
What most people dont like is the Prototype Jets getting nerfed nothing to do with the tanks of awesome.
Well the lockboxes are sucky but the C-Store tanks are just dandy.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Perfect World and Cryptic have made it obvious that they have no intention of re-investing revenue back into the game. They've put the game on life support; almost every dollar they bring in through the C-Store is apparently being invested in the next game.
Buying keys and grab bags just invests money in Neverwinter. And that's why I won't play Neverwinter- because any money they make in that game will just go on to fund their next game. Perfect World is using the "churn" method of game development- rather than keeping their existing games running, they just use any revenues to fund their next game.
I do have 4 jets one of each and a spare interceptor that bound accidentally during a trade.
I did purchase around 35 keys or so.
I did complain about the lockboxes before doing so.
-Salvage required opening lockboxes
-legion gear chances required opening lockboxes
Now that we've seen the impact of vehicles on live it's only reinforcing my belief that the focus on vehicles would bring nothing of value, essentially more harm than good.
I enjoyed my jets as a long range bomber and high speed travel. They no longer offer neither, and are a handicap in the vehicle alert which has been promoted for some time.
I at no one point said please cheat me out of something I invested in.
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
Under PWE we have had 2 major updates ( I say major as in major in PWE eyes ) , compared to most Perfect World games Champions Online has ( I kid you not remember this is a comparison ) a large players base and a lot of content ( again comparison and PWE content is the Bizzario world version of content).
Champions gets a lot of love ( again its an odd sorta communist love ), its a great little game who cares if its tiny on content its still freaking fun to play.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
What has acual BEING a tank to do with "Be the HERO you want to be" ?
Yeah yeah .. i know .. Wolverine these days uses a tank all days since claws simply don't cut it :biggrin:
I still wonder why tanks have no chance against the Hulk, and where is the reason for Hulk to be a tank
Because Nepht has always wanted a flying tank thats what its got to do with "Be the VILLAIN ima wanting to be". Everyone one knows a Neko mummy should always have a flying tank at hand. Yew dont know that? WHAT DID THEY TEACH YEW AT SCHOOL! I bet it was some crap like maths or proper grammer.
Oh and BTW yesterday I one shotted 2 Wolverine clones and a Hulk yesterday WITH MY TANK \o/
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Shouldn't you be playing Halo?
At this point, I should just switch my signature to 'what Nepht said'.
What if my hero wants a flying tank, or a jetbike, or a totally-not-the-Batjet?
So its not play the hero I want to be but play the hero you want us to play it as. Got it.
It's PAY to be the hero you want to be. You've got it all wrong.....
Firstly I hates any FPS that isnt DOOM.
Secondly I rather be holding said tank over my head while I run around Ren Cen screaming come COME AT ME BROU!!
But alas Cryptic have yet to make my dream happen.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
What do you consider to be "major updates"? 'Cause for me, that'd be Vibora Bay. You know, the one that came out real early on... before PWI. Features are NOT content- and content is king.
Even if it would happen, you wouldn't see the tank anyway...
And playing by myself since Aug 2009
Godtier: Lifetime Subscriber
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Just a simple Sig
Why is it so hard to make it interesting?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
This was awesome while it lasted
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In the local toy ailse they have this Iron Man Action Figure where Iron Man is riding a ATV. I asked a friend what does Iron Man need a ATV for? His response, "Because they're freaking awesome!"
Good enough for me.
That being said, it's highly likely that the PWE buyout did save Champions Online, if not for the buyout then it's highly likely that Cryptic as well as it's games would have been closed down last year, and we have had more new features added to the game in the last year than we did under Atari's roof.
You may not consider it content but since PWE we have had -
And that's not including the Whiteout CS, now how many new systems (which do, believe it or not, take more time than missions to develop) did we get under Atari, cause the only thing I can recall is the ATs when CO went F2P.
And that bolded one, the one at the bottom of the list, that was listed as something that would be near impossible to do when Cryptic was still owned by Atari, we now not only have vehicles but we're getting vehicles which display the character on them soon.
Yes, some things that we, the consumers, dislike have come from PWE, (Lockboxes and Grab Bags for starters), but inevitably a lot of good has come from the buyout, both over here and in STO. Not least of which is the fact that we're still able to actually play a game we like enough to complain about when it doesn't meet our expectations.
Yeah, my opinion formed was that anyone who blogs about unverified rumors and tangentially related issues as to why STO lockboxes are teh evil isn't someone I'm necessarily gonna take too seriously.
Seriously, google 'gree kompu gacha' and 'Star Trek Online Denmark'.
When XP earnings during a Double-XP Weekend still feel like I'm underperforming,
there's something terribly wrong with the reward system...
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Original Join Date: Feb 2010.
Googled them,what I found was a post by an STO dev; and an article saying the japanese game GREE suffered profit loss since kompu Gacha was banned.
I think its because they see it as online gambling, which in the U.S., is strictly regulated, I didn't find anything while googling "Danish Gambling laws" though.
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All I see is that Suricata emailed the Danish Justice Ministry about STO's lockboxes. Six months later and nothing's come of it.
And yes, Gree suffered profit loss since kompu gacha was banned. Note that gacha itself hasn't been banned. Like I said, the other companies fell in line with regulations and kept on chugging.
I don't believe that a collective effort to stop buying will force Cryptic to change what's being produced, I believe, even if such a boycott were a success, it will motivate PWE to follow in NCSoft's footsteps and shut CO down, so I will choose not to participate in such an effort. However, as insignificant as one customer may be, my possible patronage and community involvement in NWO will depend directly on how Cryptic and Perfect World handles this title, so I am throwing out a tiny sliver of a carrot to them.
As to kids spending thousands on keys... well, I would never have gotten away with that when I was young. I can understand that parents give kids access to credit cards for whatever reason, but doing so without promoting a sense of how to use them responsibly and also monitoring what the kids are using them for seems like a bad idea. Still, I can see regulatory agencies insisting on tighter restrictions with regard to determining the age of online customers before they clamp down on lock boxes.
As to the CO issue, we will see playable content when the developer perceives that it is necessary to boost sales, not before. A boycott could encourage that, but the chances of getting an online community to agree on anything are pretty slim, and the forums do not represent everyone playing/paying. I encourage folks to spend if it suits them, and boycott if that suits them, primarily because I prefer to ride the horse in the direction its already going.
I been a long time leaving but I'm going to be a long time gone.
Willie Nelson
T.U.F.K.A.S. (the user formerly known as Scarlyng)
Wrong on the CO forums since November, 2008
So no, this is not my fault.
...I just recently realized something really disturbing. We're all eating Sodapop3's "humble pie."
Please let this happen. Create hundreds of more grab bags/lock boxes if you need to.
Speaking of idiotic community.
...I just recently realized something really disturbing. We're all eating Sodapop3's "humble pie."
Psst. You're supposed to be ignoring me. Your ego couldn't just let is go, looks like I was right. You won't be missed.
I see you're still as ignorant as usual.
TIP: The ignore function on the forums still doesn't work, no matter how many times I cross my fingers and put your name into it.
...I just recently realized something really disturbing. We're all eating Sodapop3's "humble pie."
Adapt, roll with it or move on. These temper tantrums merely make you look foolish.
When the game stops being entertaining to me, I will walk away and take my wallet with me. I've done it before, I'll do it again, here and elsewhere. As such: If you find their actions to be damaging to your enjoyment of their game? Walk away.
I shall purchase what I wish to purchase for my own entertainment. Period. Full stop.
There is no such thing as a free lunch. If you aren't paying for it, you aren't the customer; you are the product being sold.
Dollar, dollar, bill, yo. Cash rules everything around you and me.
It hurts to admit others are right. I understand. To bad your in game Ego can't be as high as your real life Ego, nothing would stop you.
You would know all about this, for sure.
...I just recently realized something really disturbing. We're all eating Sodapop3's "humble pie."
Yes, admitting when you're wrong is the sign of growing up. Throwing temper tantrums on video game forums... not so much. But you would know all about throwing tantrums.
What you call growing up I call becoming conceited and ignorant. Which once again, you'd know plenty about.
...I just recently realized something really disturbing. We're all eating Sodapop3's "humble pie."
I had a bit of buyer's remorse but I said to myself, at least I am giving my primary source of entertainment some cash.:biggrin:
To my knowledge there has been two instances of Cryptic trying to sell content:
1) Vibora Bay. At the beginning was planned as a paid expansion but due to the uproar on the forums it was finally released as a free content.
2) Adventure Packs. It seems to me, that just few people bought them while the rest either got some of them from the devastator promotion or did not get them at all, until they were turned in a freebie for all players.
I think they resolved to not gate content for free players so I am not expecting a bit thing in the near future. According the last Q&A, they are following the scheme of small events/zones/alert. Would they take the risk to do something bigger? no answer to that
All the positions you've taken and the way you treat people makes so much more sense now. Who hurt you? Did you not get hugged enough?
TIP: It's possible to ignore what someone has posted, without requiring forum software to do it for you. That's what I usually do with your posts. And what I'm going to go back to doing - I just couldn't resist the low-hanging fruit this time.
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1: Didn't.
2: Don't.
3: Since I don't buy, I can keep complaining right?
This actually seems backwards... the people paying in money are the ones getting ripped off, shouldn't they be encouraged to bark louder for their dollar?
I mean hell, I buy gas, does that mean I shouldn't demand more fuel efficient vehicles?
Keep in mind, I agree with your concept of "I don't buy until you make something worth paying for", even if I'm not sure it would even work. Subsidiaries is a complicated business.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
The only bullet you've listed that I agree with is the questionite exchange. It provides a way to get zen without you spending real currency.
The gear change is/was nothing more than another cash grab. We lost crafting (which admittedly needed a lot of help) and it was replaced with awful fusion system which requires an absurd amount of mods and luck to make top tier mods... unless you pay/gamble.
Hideouts were a waste of developer resources. They look great, but for the most part are lacking in function. An exception is the penthouse which can be used as a free teleport to MC.
Alerts have greatly cheapened CO as a whole. Before we had actual quests and stories. You know, reasons to do things? They may not have been top tier, but at least they gave some sense of purpose. Now there's no reason to do the quests in CO. Need xp? Smash alerts. Need globals or mods? Farm, or run grab/burst alerts. Mindless. Grind.
Overhaul doesn't necessarily mean better. I thought the lower level areas worked fine before and would much rather have had more higher level content made.
Vehicles, specifically their current combat forms, have no purpose in CO. Even the top tier vehicles with full rank 9 mods are worse than a decently built freeform. Even in the new carrier defense mission made for vehicles they are a liability, not a benefit. That people are paying to gimp themselves baffles me to no end.
They won't let me buy the things I want directly and instead I am forced to "gamble" for them. LAME.
They won't let me buy the things my friends want directly for them without giving out my banking and financial information. LAME.
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If they want to be serious about gaining revenue then stop the gambling and bring back the ability to buy gametime and Zen via game-codes.
How would you feel if I told you that every time you pay your landscaper, he doesn't use the money to get better tools to care for your lawn, and instead puts all the money into the cheese shop he runs on the side?
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
If my lawn looks as dead as the game then yeah.. I'd be pissed
$500 bucks a week ($12.50/hour) wouldn't even pay half of MY salary...
These are content designers, not McDonalds employees...
:rolleyes:
M-O-O-N, that spells @Rhyatt
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!
I'm wouldn't necessarily say that they're under that mistaken impression (although, I agree that some of them might be) but that they/we expect more from our games, particularly MMOs. And the problem with that scenario is that Cryptic SUCKS at story and content development. And they're not very good at fleshing out the stuff they do either (at least they haven't been in CO). They often just release stuff that's either buggy or somehow incomplete (or both) and doesn't fully live up to its potentially (Nemesis System, Hideouts, etc.). Then rather than work on it and try to improve on it and make it better. They just cut their losses and move on to the next half-baked idea (rinse and repeat), which this month is vehicles.
So all they really have at the end of the day is an engine. From what I've seen so far Cryptic seems to have some talented devs in certain areas of game development, particularly stuff that involves customization and special features and modular stuff that can be tacked on to an existing system. But when it comes to things like good writting, content development, quality control, and follow through they fail, which tells me that they likely don't have talented people that are particularly skilled in those areas (all of which I think are critical to delivering a quality MMO).
The idea of a company constantly regurgitating new half-baked games, with unfinished features they have no intention of supporting (Nemesis system, Hideouts and I'm sure in a couple of months Vehicles as well), while simultaneously negleting their old "finished" games does not encourage me to invest in their product. All that tells me is that they'll do a half-hearted job at baking a new game--some parts of which will likely be great (i.e. the visual customization, and maybe the combat)--but others incomplete and lacking somehow. Then they'll never give adequate support to it and move along to the next project. And when people (or more precisely a large portion of their playerbase) stop playing the game as a result they'll just cut their losses, declare it a failure, put it on life support, then move on to their next game and start funnelling money from all the people still supporting the old one to fund the new one.
And yes, Cryptic has done SEVERAL things for this game along the way, and I've defended them in discussions in other game boards when people pick Cryptic as an easy target for criticism because of that. The problem is that, like I said, many of those things are only half-baked and never see adequate support afterward. Many long standing issues remain years after the game's release (I think I still get Socrates email spam). And many of them are either things that the community never asked for, or things that they DID asked for, but not necessarily the way Cryptic decided to do it. Such as creating a whole new vehicle system with slottable powers that takes up an ENTIRE update when all people really wanted was a vehicle skin for a travel power.
People didn't ask Cryptic to do a whole system overhaul for the itemization or for them to get rid of crafting. We didn't even ask for the Spec system or changes to stats. And while I'm sure that was a big investment in Cryptic/PW's part for the game, I'm not sure exactly what if anything it fixed, and sometimes I feel it merely threw the power curve out of whack.
I'm also not sure PW exactly "saved" this game. Granted, it is entirely possible that the game would have closed down had they not being around, but I've never equated putting someone on "lifesupport" with "saving" them. There was a time around when PW came along when I confidently felt like like CO was #1 superhero around, bar none. And while I realize that this is merely a matter of personal preference I didn't just feel this way as a matter of opinion, but because I was confident that the other two superhero MMOs couldn't compete. CO wasn't just something that I personally prefered, it was just plain better overall.
Now fast forward almost two years, and in that time BOTH of the other superhero MMOs pass it by. Granted CoX still went down but there was a time when it had a stronger following than even CO. Now with CoX out of the picture it seems like DCUO is set up to become the #1 superhero MMO and all I can ask myself is "HOW THA HELL DID THAT HAPPEN? When did DCUO with its crap appearance customization become the #1 superhero MMO and CO became this thing that barely skids by when there was a time it was clearly the superior game?" This game shouldn't just be surviving, it should be thriving. But it isn't, because vehicles aren't real growth. They're just this month's tack on feature while they wait around to come up with the next.
PS: Sorry for the drawn out rant
Riiight.. thanks for your completely valid point. While I'm talking about the allocation of funds you make an argument for company wage allocation. By the way do you know the price of Tea in Thailand?
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