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Right now if you make a healer you take an aura, slap compassion on it, and there you have the vanilla standard cookie cutter healer setup that everyone uses. Yawn your way to victory! Anytime there is a "vanilla standard cookie cutter setup that everyone uses" that's a problem that needs to be fixed.
Step 1: No more healer forms that scale with Presence. Compassion now scales with Ego.
Step 2: Add more offense forms that scale with Presence and more offensy support passives.
Step 3: Make auras have the same effect on other players in both Support and Hybrid.
What have you done!? I'm scared, change is scary! ಠ_ಠ
Well now if you want a healing form and an aura, an undeniably powerful combination, you have to put points into multiple stats. The reign of the aura-blasting super-healer is over. Now we have two other ways to go: the aura-blasting dpser, and the healer-that-actually-has-some-offensive-capability. There is quite a lot of highly relevant group content in this game, so someone who does decent dps and provides a strong aura will be an asset, and since they can now run in Hybrid they get to enjoy the better effects on themselves. Healers trade in their auras for the ability to contribute dps, being better at soloing, and in general having the opportunity to build something more interesting than a heal-spam-bot. Because of how strong healing forms are, a healer-with-an-aura will still be a viable build filling the "good at both, master of neither" niche, and as a result we now have three where before we had one.
Step 1: No more healer forms that scale with Presence. Compassion now scales with Ego.
Step 2: Add more offense forms that scale with Presence and more offensy support passives.
Step 3: Make auras have the same effect on other players in both Support and Hybrid.
What have you done!? I'm scared, change is scary! ಠ_ಠ
Well now if you want a healing form and an aura, an undeniably powerful combination, you have to put points into multiple stats. The reign of the aura-blasting super-healer is over. Now we have two other ways to go: the aura-blasting dpser, and the healer-that-actually-has-some-offensive-capability. There is quite a lot of highly relevant group content in this game, so someone who does decent dps and provides a strong aura will be an asset, and since they can now run in Hybrid they get to enjoy the better effects on themselves. Healers trade in their auras for the ability to contribute dps, being better at soloing, and in general having the opportunity to build something more interesting than a heal-spam-bot. Because of how strong healing forms are, a healer-with-an-aura will still be a viable build filling the "good at both, master of neither" niche, and as a result we now have three where before we had one.
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2. All Passives should scale on their Superstats. All of them. Including Auras and Defiance. Any secondary effects should also scale on their Superstats. Stance shouldn't alter either by any large degree, if at all.
3. More options are always better. As described above and in other Spinny threads, there are good reasons to have more Passives and Forms. To add to already posted, I feel we need a couple more "Melee & Ranged get the same bonus" Passives. Even though we actually have many, most don't have the "melee" aspect to draw from (All of the energy framework passives). And, these would need some new Forms, as well.
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Right now if you make a tank character you take defiance or invulnerability as your passive, slap whatever form coincides with its chosen powers on it, and there you have the vanilla standard cookie cutter tank setup that everyone uses. Yawn your way to victory! Anytime there is a "vanilla standard cookie cutter setup that everyone uses" that's a problem that needs to be fixed.
Step 1: No more dps forms that scale with Might, Dex, Ego, or even Int. Existing Might/Dex/Ego/Int forms now scales with End or Rec.
Step 2: Add more offense forms that scale with stats that have nothing to do with offense and more healing forms that have nothing to do with healing. Actually, let's just add a new stat called Moxie that provides no base benefits to anything, but every form scales with it.
Step 3: Make useful passives suck so people so players get shoved into using the crappier ones.
What have you done!? I'm scared, really bad changes are scary! ಠ_ಠ
Fun fact, DPS and Tanks don't all use the same form and passive the way healers do, so that's why it's different. I do agree that tanks need more defensive passives, but since neither of us is claiming healers need more auras then that's just another way in which these things are different.
PS - you wrote "more healing forms that have nothing to do with healing" and well... that just doesn't make any sense. Also powers use energy, so energy has to do with everything :P
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Tanks ... can use a great many different Forms. I have 8 - 14 tank or soak tank characters and they run the gamut of melee, melee+some ranged, and all ranged. I'm using the various +Threat mods from Darkness, Ice, etc on some.
So, I kinda disagree with the dps stat Forms getting a change. Where i would like to see an associated change is in the Primary Super Stat/Mastery Specializations. Especially in regard to Tanking. Str has a great defensive buff specialization. Several of the other stats have one, but they are much weaker. I'd like to see the others brought up to Str level, so we have more options for Tanking, especially Ranged Tanks.
This last should have it's own thread, but I mention it here to explain why I disagree with certain Form changes.
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Ah, yeah. I meant the above as a "next step" from the "nerf the auras" suggestion. Healing runes don't supply much and don't have as large a range as an aura.
I just put a rune laying power on one of my healers. In addition to his other heals, he's a "life drain" healer, too. So, at the 3 main cosmics, I like to position him away from other healers so that "overlapping->negates other" healing effects don't happen .. as much.
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If all the sorcery auras were changed so that the aura portion was a very minor effect, scaling with all superstats instead of presence, and they gained a healing bonus similar to that of seraphim, it'd be a more reasonable approach to "getting healers away from auras" (if that's really a problem...) by letting them choose "a bit of extra support" (aura of ____) or "a bit of extra offense" (seraphim/etc).
I guess one could even go so far as to give them the Night Warrior effect--taking an aura passive also grants a bonus active ability of some kind. Activating it/maintaining it would provide the aura, either for a short period of time with a cooldown, or "while maintained," so they'd have to choose between "heal this guy" or "aura the team."
"more healing forms with stats that have nothing to do with healing," but I think you know what I meant. It's utterly moronic to say things that amount to, "let's make healers stack stats that are useless to healing by not only adding a bunch of junk stat forms, but let's also take away the option to use a form that actually scales with the game's only proper healing stat." This approach isn't a realistic solution to this perceived problem with auras you seem to have.
Try lobbying for the dps forms to only scale with nonsense stats and see how well that goes over with people.
So wait, you agree that only stacking one stat is the problem, but you also hate the idea of healers having a reason to stack anything other than presence? My idea even gives a reason for healers to stack both Presence and another stat and you hated that. So.. what does aesica want? You realize that giving healers a reason to stack multiple stats means they won't just be stacking Presence, right? No matter how much you hate the idea of "healers stacking a stat that has nothing to do with healing", if we're going to break the "stack one stat only" meta healers are going to have to do that.
As for nerfing auras, geez here we are with you demanding nerfs and me suggesting changes that don't require nerfs. My suggestions diminish the role of auras when it comes to healers and places them on dpsers who are more active by default and don't have to worry about the "I'm only here for auras" issue, all without having to nerf them away. My my how times have changed.
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As for nerfing auras, geez here we are with you demanding nerfs and me suggesting changes that don't require nerfs. My suggestions diminish the role of auras when it comes to healers and places them on dpsers who are more active by default and don't have to worry about the "I'm only here for auras" issue, all without having to nerf them away. My my how times have changed.[/quote]
You called for Compassion to no longer scale with presence. THAT is a nerf. Having only healing forms that scale with stats unrelated to healing is a nerf to healers. Forcing a choice between "muh auras" and "muh heals" is a nerf. Nice try though.
I'm okay with additional forms that scale with odd stats, provided their trigger conditions are more generalized, as they'd provide more choices. But definitely not at the cost of existing forms. I'd rather see dual-stat forms though, so I could choose "ego or recovery" or "strength or presence" etc. Most would obviously choose the better stat, but the other is there for anyone with odd ideas. The new forms, on the other hand, are just too restrictive to be of overall value to the game.
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548 ego: 20% and 65 energy per stack
438 ego: 17% and 54 energy per stack
301 ego: 12% and 40 energy per stack
I don't see any DR there. To within rounding errors, it appears to be energy = 10 + ego/10, damage = 2 + ego/30. There's DR on Defiant!, but not on forms that I know of.
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If each of those numbers are the point at which you get the full %, then yes, there is DR going on. However, not very much.
In the past, the Devs seem to take some very high number, attainable by the extreme min/max players, and kinda use that as a baseline to nerf from. Meaning, the lower numbers, which is more often attainable by most, feels like they get the biggest nerf.
In my opinion, the baseline should be r5 mods in basic blue/merc gear. Start your Diminishing Returns curve from there.
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I stand corrected.
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What you're not understanding is that that's a meaningless change. Grats, now instead of stacking presence, they're stacking some other stat ( but let's be real, they're still stacking presence ), but has anything changed about how they actually play or build their healers? Not a single thing. They're still using the same forms, the same auras, and the same overall build. Your idea has maybe changed what word is next to the big number on their character sheet, and likely hasn't even managed that much.
No, the idea that healers, heck support toons, must always use an aura is what locks healers, and support toons, into using Presence. Any idea that continues to support this meta has no hope of producing any real change.
You don't do that now, and you wouldn't do it then. You don't need more energy now, and you wouldn't then, str and ego's damage bonus is laughable, and oh right that's what we needed more reasons for people to put points into Con.
It's not, since those auras would then be brought to the fight by other players meaning everyone continues to enjoy their benefits. Healers don't need their own auras, they would be better served by a defensive or offensive passive. Nice try though lel
This quote really defines why you can't come up with any ideas that promote real change. All of your ideas are tainted with the fact that while you claim to want things to change, you're really hung up on them staying exactly as they are now. Doing things differently than they're done now is only for people with "odd ideas". You would push through a bunch of changes to things, only to end up at the other side of those changes still building and stacking and playing your characters the exact same way. You gotta step outside of that box.
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I agree. Maybe buff some of those damage bonuses from stats a bit too, and then also nerf energy gains a bit to make energy stats be a choice.
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I imagine Spinnytop D&D would be something like this:
DM: "The heavy stone door has started to close, and only Fred the Orc Barbarian is close enough to reach it in time."
Fred: "Aah no problem, my strength is absolutely massive so I want to try holding it open until my party can get here."
DM: "Okay, make a charisma check."
Fred: "Wait...what?"
DM: "Charisma check. Go."
Fred: "I roll a 18, but really? I'm trying to use my massive orcish bulk and huge bulging barbarian muscles here. What does that have to do with my charisma?! I mean, it's only 5..."
DM: "Yeah sorry, you failed the check. The door is too heavy and you get crushed beneath it. Fred is now dead."
Fred: "You are the worst DM I've ever played with."
Change for the sake of change isn't necessarily a good thing.
I agree with the fact that auras are too good while seraphim/hearth fail to measure up, I agree that forms should be DR'd, and I agree that stacking one stat is pretty lame...however! It seems we both have very different views on how to go about tackling this. Telling healers to not use the game's only healing stat by giving them a bunch of garbage-stat healing forms is utterly asinine.
When I talk to people, energy management isn't generally something they find fun about the game because it just isn't well done on any level. There's no reason to make it even more annoying (and gear dependent) than it already is.
Nah, the support passives are fine ( except that there's not enough of them ), people just aren't being given a real choice in whether to use them or not is the actual problem.
I agree, but this statement doesn't really gel with the changes you're suggesting. You're trying to change things just so they're changed, but without actually influencing the meta (because you want to keep using the meta exclusively).
Not really sure why it's asinine... you might think that if you believe you need to stack Presence to get enough healing strength to be a healer in this game. Either way, it's required if we're going to pull people out of the "only ever an aura" meta. Players as a group never just choose to stop using the meta, even if doing so would give them more choices, you have to make them.
Sure, if you ever ask a player "do you want to be limited in some fashion?" they'll always say no, hence that's the most meaningless question to ever ask a player. Games require limits to even exist, and limits are what breeds choices, but it's not really the player's task to think about that or really even acknowledge it.
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The aura vs other support passives issue has several dimensions. A lot of current endgame content strongly encourages auras (AoAC at Eidolon being a major example). Meanwhile, the extra healing offered by non-aura support passives isn't generally considered necessary (especially in the face of AoRP). However, preventing healers from having their metaphorical cake and eating it too leads directly to the issue above.
So, we can't nerf healing to force more people into Seraphim-style passives without either making dps checks harder or obviating the need for dps characters. We can't nerf auras for similar reasons. And buffing the numbers on Seraphim-style passives alone won't accomplish anything.
An idea that does occur to me is that a potential solution might be a sort of berf to everything to force specialization without changing overall strength much. Imagine a scenario where healing strength has decreased, but Seraphim and AoPM are both stronger. The result would be that one AoPM and one Seraphim would be able to do what two AoPMs would have done previously. However, this carries the issue that it would make specific team comps more important, and in the real world would almost certainly result in some aura being lost (since there is usually a variety of auras, rather than two of any given aura). And that's before you consider AoRP (which is in effect a healing amplifier like Seraphim, because it reduces the amount of healing that needs to be performed).
It might be simpler to just rework Seraphim-style passives to offer some limited aura like benefits. Another possibility might be to adjust endgame content such that auras aren't as necessary, at which point they could simply be nerfed.
Healer Forms have the same bonus for both ranged and melee, so there would be no issue going ranged, melee, or even a mix of the two.
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This doesn't force people to choose between auras and healing. As I pointed out, it is still entirely feasible with these changes to create a healer who uses an aura, you would just have to decide which side you want to put more points into. The likely outcome would be people figuring out what constitutes a good amount of Presence to get a strong enough Aura and then putting the rest into their form Attribute. This would result in someone with a strong aura who still has enough healing power to perform the role of healer, given the fact that currently you don't really need to dump for a healer form to give enough healing, and healers don't have energy issues when all they're doing is healing.
The DPS check requirements aren't actually very high, especially at Dino where hybrids with defensive passives can already meet them, so it is entirely feasible that aura-using hybrids would be able to meet them as well. This change would not require more support characters, as the healer-with-aura combination would still be viable, and the other type of aura user would be a Hybrid, not a support, and would be using a damage form meaning their dps contribution would be significantly higher than that of a support healer.
This idea would not threaten the presence of auras in endgame, they would still be present and from a greater diversity of builds. The extra healing provided by non-aura support passives is not the main draw of those passives, the damage bonus is. As has already been established, healer forms give much more healing than is needed.
A nerf to healing was not suggested.
Yes, the idea of nerfing everything does carry many issues. That's why I didn't suggest that. Seeing as you have so many issues with it, I'm not sure why you suggested it.
Before seraphim-style passives can get reworked, they need to be created. We currently only have 2, remember. It's a bit early to call for a rework. Also they both currently have aura-like benefits, so assuming that continues to be the case going forward it looks like that kind of rework isn't really needed.
Adjusting endgame content to make auras unnecessary would be a step backwards as it would simply bring us back to the time where people didn't use auras. The goal here is not to make people use less powers, but rather more.
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I don't think I've been clear by what I mean by being forced to choose between your aura and your healing. If one has to choose which to specialize in (when before they could get the benefits of specializing in both), then this means to get the same results as before, more support characters are required, which increases the difficulty of dps checks. And if the zone limit has been reached, then requiring more support characters than before to get the same results necessarily means going without that extra tank or dps character who would have filled that slot, so it even matters on content that does not have dps checks (to say nothing of content limited to the traditional 5 character team).
If however, there is no need to get the same results as before, because our new aura-user still has "enough healing" and "enough aura" (however we define those two things) despite the need to spread their stats around, then the change is meaningless, because people won't have a reason to consider Seraphim or Hearth (unless they care about their own dps, but those people were most likely going to take Seraphim or Hearth regardless).
The presence of exceptions does not change the rule. As you well know, there are vast quantities of hybrid (and even DPS role) characters who attempt Teleiosaurus and prove unable to pull their own weight. Encouraging people to take, for example, Hearth instead of AoED by definition reduces the likelihood of an AoED around, making the barrier to entry higher (given that AoED currently adds more to a group's dps than Hearth).
One may or may not consider this an acceptable side effect. I am simply pointing out that said side effect exists.
As for encouraging hybrids to take auras, there is no need to change healing stat dependencies to do this (which is primarily the part of your suggestion I find interesting to discuss). The third part of your suggestion would do that by itself.
There isn't anything stopping people from making healer/dps supports right now (I am currently playing one, in fact). They are simply considered weaker than aura-users despite the damage bonus of Seraphim and Hearth. This is the fundamental problem that those passives suffer; their benefits are not enough (or, some might claim, too misplaced) to make them as attractive as an aura. Without changes to Seraphim-style passives or to the way content encourages auras, auras will always be considered preferable so long as the capabilities of aura-users are considered "enough".
If auras aren't being nerfed, and aura-users' healing isn't being nerfed, and Seraphim-style passives aren't being improved, then what exactly is being done here to encourage people to use things other than auras? If, in order to retain the same aura power as before, a character must sacrifice some of their previous healing power, then that is in effect a nerf to that character's healing capability. By the same token, if to retain the same healing power as before, the aura user must suffer a weaker aura, then said character's aura has effectively been nerfed. By imposing choice where there was previously everything, you are necessarily forcing a nerf of some sort; the player simply gets to choose whether it is their healing or their aura that is nerfed. Without a buff to Seraphim and Hearth or a change to endgame mechanics making auras less necessary, it is quite simply impossible to encourage people to take Seraphim or Hearth over an aura without a nerf of some sort to aura-users (and, to be clear, I am not necessarily opposed to the idea in principle; I am simply confused by what appears to me to be a byzantine path to get there).
I do not mean to imply that you were making any such claim. It simply occurred to me that it is an idea one might naturally come to, and I believe it merited inclusion in the discussion (if only to be nipped in the bud).
Creating similar powers before you've figured out how the originals should fit into the game is putting the cart before the horse.
This is ultimately what confuses me most. If the ultimate objective is to make auras and non-aura passives equally attractive, then why bother going through the complication of changing stat dependencies? Why not simply reduce the power of auras or increase the attractiveness of non-auras until the the desirability of each is equal? Why force people to re-gear their characters?
Edit: I would like to apologize for the wall of text. I consider this a legitimately interesting discussion.
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There would not be a need for more support characters, as I already explained in my previous post. The validation of two new forms of build is not meaningless. It is possible that someone who might use Seraphim or Hearth after this change would have used it before, but it is also quite possible that someone who might not have used them before would use them now, given that they no longer have the obvious choice motivating them not to do so.
Hybrids who can put out enough dps to contribute adequately to DPS checks are not an exception to the rule, they are an example of the rule, assuming the rule is "If you put out enough dps, you will pass the dps check". And yes, there are hybrids who can't put out enough dps, just like there are dps toons that can't put out enough dps.
What you're forgetting is that some people are encouraged not to take AoED, while others are being encouraged to take AoED where they might not have before, meaning that in the end we are left with an equal chance of AoED being present.
Perhaps, but the title of the suggestion isn't "How to make hybrids use auras more". Having only that suggestion with the current title would be a bit strange, wouldn't it?
There isn't anything stopping people from making PFF tanks, and yet it is widely agreed that PFF is functionally a non-choice because clearly better choices exist, so the "people can do it anyway" defense doesn't really work any better now than it ever has.
It's interesting what you said there at the end, "auras will always be considered preferable so long as the capabilities of aura-users are considered "enough"." I like that you didn't mention healing at all, because people don't actually care if their auras are attached to a healer, they just want them to be present and attached to a stack of Presence. It'd be nice if that stack of Presence could be more than one thing, don't you think?
Players wouldn't be forced to continue using auras with their healers, so any nerf is self-imposed. Like I said, I'm not suggesting a nerf to anything. Remember, healers don't need their own auras, so discarding them is in no way a nerf - if anything it can be a buff. Also remember that the goal here is not to discourage players at large from using auras, so any change to endgame to make auras less necessary is unnecessary. The goal is to change in what way players utilize auras, not to make them use auras less.
I agree, hence this suggestion. Btw, talking about a rework before the powers even exist is putting the horse in front of a yet-to-be-built cart.
Because reducing the power of auras wouldn't achieve the stated goal until a point at which we had effectively nerfed auras into the ground. The seraphim passives are in fact powerful enough already, so they don't need to be buffed since it's not that they're too weak, it's that the alternative is crazy strong - this is similar to the long-standing issue that the game had where over-powered combinations were seeing extremely wide-spread use. Compassion&Auras is the healer equivalent of 2GunMojo&Quarry builds from back in the day.
Also, again, I don't want to reduce the rate of use of auras overall, and nerfing them would cause that.
When in Rome...
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Again, I'll remind that the objective here is not to make people use auras less. Auras would still be present at cosmics. So yes, auras are strong and do a lot of good.. and I'm not trying to take that away. Also, well this won't be the first time and we both know it won't be the last time Panta: there's more to the game than cosmics.
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What cosmics means is that you have to balance auras to be coherent choices on both a team of 3-5 (alert-scale) and also on a team of 20+ (cosmic scale); it's probably acceptable for auras to be a poor choice when soloing or on a team of 2. The easiest way of doing this would probably be to make everyone use hybrid auras and change effects on other players to scale off of superstats.
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How does this change the compassion+aura meta? You've given nobody a reason to do anything different... in fact you've buffed auras, which would only reinforce the meta.
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Ah that's what you meant. Well, like I mentioned above I'm not in favor of nerfing auras because it risks having the opposite effect of what's intended with my suggestion.
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That's right. So at some point some healer trying to stick to the old meta will be sitting there saying to themselves "gee, my healing form already gives me so little.. hey I should try a dps form that stacks on presence". Then they might find that they like this new setup... hey look, we changed the meta a bit. They might then even try the other combination and realize they like it, the way I like my Fire Healer, and they realize that they don't even notice that they don't have an aura since it doesn't really add much to gameplay, but that it's a neat new thing to launch around attacks that actually do a decent amount of damage while still being able to keep people up. Maybe they even say hey my offensive form aura healer was kinda neat, wonder what that might be like in hybrid, oh hey that's another thing too. Hey look at that, people are trying new things and not feeling like they're dumping viability in the process. The meta has been changed and greater build diversity is the reward, success.
The fact that "your aura matters more than your form"... and really matters more than any other part of your build is kinda sad. Support characters should never just be a Totem. Being a Totem that happens to spam Iniquity isn't much better. It wouldn't surprise me if people would be happy to get away from that stagnant build ditch.
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The obvious conclusion is the nerf bat to auras.
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I can only foresee auras completely exiting the meta if that's done though.
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If you can still run the aura+healing builds we see now with no decrease in effectiveness, then the changes you suggest are meaningless. But realistically, forcing compassion and auras to scale off of different things definitely reduces the effectiveness of aura+healing builds. Therefore, you need more support characters to reach the same effectiveness as the previous builds, unless you assume that hybrids are taking enough auras to compensate. But then the hybrids are giving something up. No matter what, something is being lost here, and more characters are required to reach the same level of effectiveness as before.
If people who wouldn't have taken AoED before suddenly do so, then they are giving up something else.
Consider the following scenario:
Steve was previously an AoED healer. After Spinny's changes, he can continue using AoED, or he can move to Seraphim.
If he continues using AoED, the need to split his stats reduces his healing capability. Therefore, the group has lost some healing power.
If he switches to Seraphim, his healing doesn't decrease, but he loses AoED. Alice, the Single Blade hybrid, might drop her WotW for AoED, but now the group is missing out on her WotW.
In both scenarios, the group is losing something, which is relevant to situations involving a dps check.
The point I was trying to get across is that as long as aura-users are capable of bringing enough healing, then there is still no need to consider Seraphim or Hearth. Your suggestions literally cannot reach the end you seek (changing the metagame) without nerfing the current builds.
Forcing people who want to be healers to either decrease their own healing or go without auras entirely is a nerf (the fact that you get to choose which aspect of your character gets the nerfbat doesn't change that), and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
You cannot increase the number of Seraphim and Hearth users without decreasing the number of aura users unless you are decreasing the use of other passives. There is no free lunch here.
The way in which auras are used (passively) cannot be changed without changing the mechanics of auras.
Seraphim and Hearth already exist. Making copies of them is silly until they have a place in the metagame, if only because you want to ensure that your eventual copies don't crowd them out once you do have a place for them.
If Seraphim is powerful enough already, and the alternative (auras) are "crazy strong", then auras are clearly overpowered, and are therefore the problem that must be addressed. So why change Compassion? That makes about as much sense as saying "Reaper's Embrace is overpowered, so let's change Swordsman to encourage people to use Dragon's Bite instead". If auras are the problem, why not suggest a nerf or rework to them? Why force people to re-gear their characters to avoid tackling the problem of auras not fitting properly into the game? It just doesn't make sense to me.
Instead of trying to math the diff between Seraphim and an aura, math the diff between Seraphim and that same aura when it's a dupe that's reduced in power by DR.
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I think there's still some misunderstanding going on here, since you're talking like a dps is going to be replaced with a dps healer...so let's look at a before and after group composition:
Currently:
4 support healers each with an aura.
20 dps
After:
A)
4 support healers with an aura
20 dps
b)
4 hybrid dps with an aura
2 dps healers
18 dps
C)
2 hybrid dps with auras
2 support healers with auras
20 dps
D)
1 hybrid dps with an aura
3 support healers with auras
20 dps
E)
1 support healer with an aura
1 dps healer
3 hybrid dps with auras
19 dps
I gave several possible combinations for after since there are more than one possible combination after. I assumed 4 auras since trying to figure out every possible combination of 0-X auras would just yield too many combinations to be of value. I'm just going to assume the idea that this group is setting themselves up on purpose to have 1 of each aura, and at least 2 support role healers. The number of DPS doesn't actually matter, I chose 20 arbitrarily.
So it doesn't look like comparing a DPS and a dpshealer is really a valuable comparison since at no point is there a 1-to-1 replacement like that occuring. 4 hybrid dps vs 2 dps seems to be a more accurate comparison to make, since that grouping shows the greatest replacement of dps ( and make sure everyone involved are either all melee or ranged when you make that comparison since any can be either, comparing ranged to melee dps skews the numbers ). Another comparison is 3 hybrid dps vs 1 dps. In all other combinations, no DPS are being replaced, it's only healers being replaced with hybrid dps, which would indicate a net gain in dps.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
1) They should simply scale with Super Stats, like other passives, and apply the same boost to both user and to friends.
2) The boost they provide needs to be drastically reduced. But, also, fix stacking so that there is less DR.
3) Make Auras be full-on multi-role, so they can be slotted in any role. Vary the bonus amount as is currently done.
The goal here is to make them less totally OP and more versatile. Also, make them less detrimental to the user. But, I have seen many a cosmic fight go from losing to winning with the application of just one aura. When Dino is failing checks consistently, I don't bring my claws DPS, I bring my AoPM, or my AoED, and then we pass. The boost that an aura gives to total DPS is generally more than almost any single DPS can manage (there are a few, but not many).
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