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- Freeform character slots are now 3000 ZEN (from 5000)
- Added a 3 pack of Freeform character slots for 6000 ZEN.
- A single character slot is now 100 ZEN (from 700).
- Retired the 2 character slot item.
- Added a 5 pack of character slots for 400 ZEN.
- Added a 10 pack of character slots for 700 ZEN.
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- The character slot limit has been increased to 100 (from 59).
- Players who are over this limit will not be able to purchase any more character slots.
- Players who are over this limit will not lose any of their character slots, even if they delete a character.
- Addressed a bug where Lifetime and subscribed accounts continued to get free character slots for every character they got to 40. It was intended that players were able to receive 1 extra slot for the first character they got to 40, but not any more after.
- This also addresses a bug where players were able to bypass the character slot limit gaining character slots by this method.
- Going forward, Lifetime and subscribed players will be able to redeem the extra character slot from the Bonus tab in the ZEN store.
- To redeem this slot, you must get a character to 40 while Lifetime or subscribed.
- Once you have reached 40, you can redeem the character slot.
- Item must be redeemed from the ZEN store on a character who has reached level 40.
- This can be redeemed once per account. Additional level 40 characters will not grant extra free character slots.
- You can redeem this item even if you have gotten free character slots from leveling characters to 40 prior to this update.
- However, if you have 100 or more character slots (the character slot limit), you cannot redeem this slot.
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- Added the contents of the Rave lockbox to the Collector store.
Nemesis
- Added Sai weapon unlock to the Nemesis store.
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So...about that premium pack and the Power Costumization feature ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
But remember, Leo ... for the price of ten FF slots, you can go Lifetime. Just sayin'. (Been LTS since August and I'm loving it.)
I do not have that kind of money at once, ever. Only reason I can afford this freeform is someone gifted me a Steam code. Heh. If I had the means, absolutely would get lifetime, but it's not a realistic goal in my current situation.
Edit P.S.: I'm also not very much of an alter. On games of all genres, I tend to find a character I like and stick with it - even on games like Overwatch, where I'm really not supposed to do that. Gonna have my new freeform racc and there's not really improving on that for me. Heh.
Has took nearly 10 years to price drop... hope the next 10 years the price drops to 2000z
Even so, good job for this because is was the pebble in the shoe.
And here is the bad part of the update...
Good to know they've committed themselves to violating an advertised feature of lifetime subscriptions.
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"You also receive an additional slot for each character that reaches level 40, and as a 200-day Veteran Reward."
So to say it was a bug is a lie. Or are you saying it took almost 9 years to fix a bug?
However, I have a question: are the slots that I purchase going forward going to be freeform as I am an LTS? By the rights of being an LTS, they should be, but this is the one worry I've always had. If this can be answered clearly, by a member of Cryptic's staff (hearsay and confirmation from other players doesn't cut it for such in important question), I would be grateful and relieved. LTS was always advertised as having freeform slots available as part of the service, so if this is being removed, I'm honestly not going to buy another slot. If it is continued, then I know where my next stipend is going!
With cheaper slots, my altaholicism will never be cured!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! *cough, cough*
A "bug" that has been around since launch, touted as a feature and was the main reason I bought a LTS. Had I known this was in the works, I would not have purchased my LTS.
I understand that you need to make changes and potentially make more money, it just seems far too late in the game to make a change of this magnitude.
I have been speculating for quite a while now that the game could be ported to consoles in a similar style to what NW and STO did. If this move is meant to bring CO more into line with that potentiality, then simply say that is what you're working on doing, explaining that in order to do so means CO needs this change. While it still sucks for those of us on PC that have been around for a long time, I think some of us at least could accept that. You simply need to explain WHY the changes are happening to possibly quiet the discord that has emerged.
Obviously though, you don't have to explain anything, but it might not be a bad idea.
Second of all, we already knew that the Lifetimers wouldn't be getting character slots anymore. This isn't news. A bug is a bug and will impact gameplay negatively one way or another. One doesn't have to see the bugs for it to be there. The Dev Team knows it's there and it's affecting us somehow that it needs to be stopped.
A lot of people will be salty about these changes; I personally really appreciate the price adjustments on character slots. Someone will always find a reason to nitpick and hinder any actual good in a big update.
I knew this was coming but even with that bought the LTS while the offer was up.
Don't the ToS somewhere say they can change whatever they want, whenever they want?
Okay........... carry on.
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I was curious about this aswell, and the only thing I was able to find on the issue was a proboards thread from 2011, and any links within that thread are either broken or take you to CO's homepage. The only clue was that you need to mouse over the question mark behind character slots on the LTS purchase menu. But no such thing is to be found there anymore unless I missed something.
And ofcourse this bit
Sadly the link is broken ofcourse, but a lack of mentioning the feature from the dev does make it seem a bit questionable.
A case of miscommunication within the old dev team, perhaps?
Pretty sure that's not the deal I paid for.
All right, where's all the dumb people talking about "corporate scumbaggery". You can all form a line and you'll each get a turn to talk about how dumb you are o3o
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Yeah, maybe they abandoned the Premium pack entirely and are just gonna keep subs, we did it guys \o/
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this person is correct, do not call a feature a bug, you promise something in a purchase you can't take it away, and act like it's a bug.
EDIT: maybe this feature was removed at some point (which they never stated so how would we know right?) but you can't say it's a bug, when, quite frankly, it wasn't.
if they just said 'we removed this feature' FOR x or y reason, instead of lying and saying it's a bug.
Free Form slot has not been out for ten years. That is actually less than 5 years old. 10 years ago there was no need for such a slot, because the game required a subscription back than to play. Back than, everyone that played was gold. Everyone was free form, there were no Archtypes. But, yes, when they came out with that horribly priced FF slot, I was disappointed to see the price. Happy that it got lowered, but, still to high in my opinion.
That is not a scam actually, the scam would be if I told you that when you buy this object, you'd get X. But, when I deliver the object, you got a brick. In this case we got X...many times, which means, what they did here was reneging, they gave us what we wanted originally, but revised the agreement. But, the person is correct. It was NOT a bug. It was indeed a feature that made people want to buy LTS.
What gets me is not the cap on characters, but, rather, the 1 time free slot. That part is stupid, that should not have been changed at all. Would rather they remove the character slot limit and instead give a 100 or so limit on the free slots. If they did that, the change would be nowhere near as bad.
Otherwise, if you are going to put a cap on character slots, do not cap the free slots.
"It was intended that players were able to receive 1 extra slot for the first character they got to 40, but not any more after."
everyone gets that you lot want to impose / correct a character cap limit but do not lie to us, that will just make us angry; say you are making this change, etc. thats fine... but do not pretend that long timers have a lousy memory and this is what it always was because you guys removed the old subscription perk grid
"The character slot limit has been increased to 100 (from 59)."
thank you, this won't make everyone happy but it is a compromise and maaaaybe in the future can be increased further
also we are still waiting to hear how the situation for subs losing access to their FF charas if they lapse will be handled~
(inner snark hopes you guys don't do something to induce more unnecessary ire)
speaking of ire... again
we are all bonking our coconuts against each other speculating and being frustrated over the changes
yah we get the changes are being made for a reason, we don't know what the reason is aside from it being suddenly a priority one bug that you lot woke up to after an eight+ year hibernation
if it is in preparation for a console release or something, drop a hint~
at least we all will be a whole lot more understanding tho likely still not happy >.>
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Please stop trying to cause drama.
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and look for yourself.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110207211957/http://www.champions-online.com/F2p_matrix
We were advertised the feature of a free character slot every time we hit level 40 on a gold or currently gold account. Was a feature, not a bug.
There's also nothing stopping them from lowering them further either.
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Do please go to https://web.archive.org/web/20110207211957/www.champions-online.com/f2p_matrix for verification of this fact.
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beat you to it, Yin, a couple posts up! But by all means this needs to be seen by everyone!
I really do wish it weren't so, though. This is the first time Cryptic has broken my trust, but I actually think it's Perfectworld this time.
A freeform slot should be priced to encourage impulse purchases. My threshold for impulse purchases is about $15, which you can easily justify to yourself by noting that it's the cost of a month's subscription.
I would never have bought a $50 freeform slot, and won't spend $60 on three slots. That's because, realistically speaking, it's easy to justify a $15 dollar charge on the credit card by telling your wife, "It's just $15." I might pay $20 for a freeform slot, but since $30, or $50 or $60 is "real money," it's a no-go for me to spend on a game.
the only thing that sucks is the cap but I understand why, probably issues with the storage and 'lag' and 'performance' issues or whatever, personally I think they should invest in the servers and storage but that won't happen. glad it's 100 now not 59, ^_^
as for the character slot when reaching 40 for gold and LTS, don't lie, that was a feature, not a bug.
i'm going to sell someone oranges and say it includes some apples, but then I'll take away the apples.
edit: fixed some typos or whatever.
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The fact that they can change things at any time doesn't make them immune to criticism for those changes. Don't be obtuse.
If that's the logic you want to run with ANY change is A-Okay and no one can complain about it.
The fact that they warned us, got push back and F*ing did it anyway isn't help your case sunshine.
And it's not a bug, that is a dirty lie and they know it. It was never on their bug list in nearly a decade. On the contrary it was a discussed Feature.. up until they called it a bug as an excuse to remove said feature.
Of all the actual bugs that have been in this game for almost a decade...
You know what? That's shi*tty argument. I'm not complaining about the lowering of prices of character slots; the elimination of the feature and the lowering of new slot prices aren't something that had to happen together. Don't be a disingenuous hack by trying to join the two at the hip
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Hey Forgemccain, I have the proof upthread.
Here it is again. Just mousehover over the question mark by Character slots.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110207211957/http://www.champions-online.com/F2p_matrix
The latest version of the page... they just removed the mousehover text. -_-; Gaslighting.
Okay, this is certainly confirmation of that feature as BEING a feature, so now I'm not so pleased about the removal of the 'free-slot-at-40' feature.
Kaizerin? Anyone from Cryptic want to comment on this?
This is definitely a sticking point as it is something that can very much be considered a contract, and more importantly, a contract violation. For a game that is maintained in the US, I would think Cryptic would not be wanting to be violating a contract in a country infamous for litigation. Any change in a contract has to be agreed to by both sides of said contract. If one side doesn't agree to that change, the other side can't simply go ahead and change things anyway.
better screen shot that bad boy before they make it vanish.
Here we are now going to the West Side
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I think it was only considered a bug since June 7(?) when they announced the premium pack would start. They mentioned removing the Free slot feature for level 40 characters in the announcement. Since the premium pack didn't go through it seems the free slots also continued, but probably weren't meant too. If they thought it was changed, but it didn't work then it could be considered a bug. Still it probably would have been better to phrase it as -activating the previously mentioned changes- rather then calling it a bug.
We got screens too.. and they can't really make it completely vanish. it's on the internet wayback machine archive.
oh, and before someone tries to claim that is from the F2P beta and the 'feature' never was supposed to go live, the Internet Archive has later versions of the page archived too, post the F2P beta.
It was a Live Feature.
Well, now even that's gone. I'm out.
Umm, you did notice that there are a variety of things on that page that are different now, right? E.g. Adventure Packs are now free for everyone. Should we go back to making silvers pay for them since it is on this archived page? The resource cap for silvers is now 500; should it be rolled back to 250 since that is what is on this page?
So.... I'm in the line... tell me how dumb I am now.
The answer is as follows: Nothing changed about your slot types if you are gold (a subscriper). They haven't gotten rid of subscriptions. So, if you are gold when you buy a new slot, that character will be free form. This will only change if you go silver.