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mrhinkypunk
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Hey ya'll Imp here.
So since the update the amount of PvP we've been doing IS TOO DAMN LOW! We need ideas on how we can get a "friendly" and active Pvp community build up again. We used to have copvp going most of the day and currently I hardly see anything posted in it. As well as this no one has even really been posting in the hero games section of the forums. I've seen a couple of people dueling now and again and we had a few BASH's going yesterday which simply ended as a disaster.
So what are we gonna do? Shall we try getting team duels going now and again like we've done before? Should we be doing "themed" PvP tournaments with rules to make it fair for all?
FYI I don't want a bunch of people to come on here telling me why you don't PvP even doing duels or anything, I don't really care it's up to you if you want to or not. This thread is about the ways we may be able to get it "active" again.
So since the update the amount of PvP we've been doing IS TOO DAMN LOW! We need ideas on how we can get a "friendly" and active Pvp community build up again. We used to have copvp going most of the day and currently I hardly see anything posted in it. As well as this no one has even really been posting in the hero games section of the forums. I've seen a couple of people dueling now and again and we had a few BASH's going yesterday which simply ended as a disaster.
So what are we gonna do? Shall we try getting team duels going now and again like we've done before? Should we be doing "themed" PvP tournaments with rules to make it fair for all?
FYI I don't want a bunch of people to come on here telling me why you don't PvP even doing duels or anything, I don't really care it's up to you if you want to or not. This thread is about the ways we may be able to get it "active" again.
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Justice Gear aside I'd still like a chance to win or no go.
I take this quote from a review that I agree with.
"customisation is so linear; everyone is after the optimal dps:survivability ratio with 0 reliance on other players = autonomous gameplay... Players don't need each other anymore... which in my opinion is a bad thing."
(°∇° ) #megalodon2015
Notice the " "
Theme could mean anything that the person says it is which is why it'd have to be with strict rules. Of course it'd probably be no devices HOWEVER if we are to do this I suggest we don't do it as a 1v1 type thing purely because it would end up with no one being able to kill each other. Plus 1v1's are boring as hell in CO as it is in comparison to team PvP not to mention being much less balanced. Fact is the only way to truly be fair is if everyone is using the same build and same gear and technically have the same internet connection...
-_-
A Playlist of my CO PvP video's (starting from post nerf PTS team duels)
There is no way I will ever queue in a freeform PvP arena again, but I would give PvP a new chance in the form of team duels.
We use to organize foosball tournaments and promote matches, and we experience a problem similar to what happens in CO PvP, the difference between skilled and casual is so high that makes casuals disappointed and skilled bored because of lack of challenge. I ll try to summarize all the things we do to keep it alive maybe something can be taken to help CO PvP:
1. We try to avoid that the best players to play in the same team.
2. We try to mix players in teams, example: new players with veterans.
3. When there is a tournament with nice prizes we make categories, usually 2: pro and amateur, but there can be more depending on the players we see.
4. We make rules less strict in some categories.
5. We do not let players from high categories to participate in low categories, but we let do the opposite.
6. We use a ranking system based on ELO (a bit modified to fit into foosball), it has 2 reasons: to know who is pro, and to improve competition, because players try to go up in the ranking, and who wants to go up needs to participate in many tournaments.
7. Saturday training: all Saturdays any player (no matter category) can join in casual matches and training, pros provide tips and so on.
If i remember anything else i ll add it.
Some interesting ideas, many which some people have said before over the past year however still good ideas. The problem I see is it's hard to see how the playerbase in CO is bigger to start up something like this, let along maintain it. We've attempted team events in the past but previously it was either mainly just players that PvP a fair amount already or it starts off trying to be fair for everyone and ends up with certain SG's making teams of their SG only for some reason. The problem with saying it like "pro" is that technically I could give a couple of builds to anyone no matter how much experience they have in PvP and as long as they know how to do basic rotations of powers they could probably take on 3 normal players at once due to how broken the build is. Most of us who do PvP currently use builds we find fun to play, there isn't any reason why not as we aren't out to "win" or more over I should say to "not lose" which generally is the case in CO PvP.
Fact is, I believe getting this going would require the people who do PvP in CO where every one of us know it other and the people in other areas of the game needing to get to know each other better. I don't know if you have heard about our CO.alition idea, we're still setting things up with it but so far it's working out rather well for people getting to know one another. PvP is much more fun against people you know than against strangers.
A Playlist of my CO PvP video's (starting from post nerf PTS team duels)
You could then also market the big event as a rp event. Not the fight but everything that leads up to it. have a host, cheerleaders ect ect. It could be fun.
Rule 1. Don't Gank single person so much in B.A.S.H. (unless he or she taking leading point) even you get mad on him/her. Any punishment won't solve someones problem caused by own personality.
Rule 2. Don't farm newbie or someone squishy. We are here to fight against someone bigger and stronger than yourselves right? Don't do spawn farm also.
Rule 3. Don't be so mean, don't be so angry. We are here to enjoy right?
Rule 4. If you find troll in game, just say "you so tsundere kawaii" and leave them alone. Trolls and #$%&'( becomes more bigger as you touch.
Rule 5. If you feel you are bit over powered then other people in game, think what you can do for them to make them enjoy. PvP is an entertainment.
I agree, also sometimes we all need the courage to tell a lie. (lol had to do that one to your avatar) We should give people a chance instead of just trying to win all the time, ofcourse you need to have the passion to get a win that is what PvP is all about but we shouldn't exploit the lack of balance in the game to make it super easy for ourselves.
A Playlist of my CO PvP video's (starting from post nerf PTS team duels)
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I hoped to see this written by anyone else but me, I don't know if I should be disgusted or relieved that it's finally brought up.
Long live the new PvE Trinity Rampage.
Long live the new glowing aura ERP!
A Playlist of my CO PvP video's (starting from post nerf PTS team duels)
Now Rampage! dieing... Sad.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
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And that's a shame, because i used to love ZA and Bash. Leveled my two mains on those ques back in the day.
If devices somehow were taken out of hero games, me and a lot of people would return.
That would be a start.
This boat has sailed. Heck, this boat sailed several times and has since been decommisioned, dismantled, and burned. You are now trying to sail out of port with a pile of ashes.
Just let it go. PvP had a brief resurgence, but there was nothing on the developer end to help it flourish, and there never will be.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
Shut up nuuuub, you no prooooov!
I hearby declare war on kagami, every time we have one of our epic battles this music will play:
Kagami vs Imp battle music
It will go down in the CO history books as the most epicest battle ever!
"IT'S A D-DRAW!? EHH!"
A Playlist of my CO PvP video's (starting from post nerf PTS team duels)
But yeah, PVP is not getting any better at this point.
Taking out those dreadful devices would bring back some folks, but not enough to help out overall numbers IMHO.
The song is too long, I would be dead before the second verse.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
Don't worry, get MD and unbreakable with enough cooldown to rotate them 24/7 and you'll last the entire song and it'll end as a draw!
EHHH!?
A Playlist of my CO PvP video's (starting from post nerf PTS team duels)
I have those things and it won't.
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
Yet I still see people whining about the already nerfed devices. Funny & sad all at once.
You forgot about stealth, the amount of people I see in trade / rampagers chat while I'm over in NW complaining about PvP issues is really odd because I'm pretty sure they only duel a person like once a year and it'd probably usually be caliga.
A Playlist of my CO PvP video's (starting from post nerf PTS team duels)
I never forget about stealth.
The whining I refer to is the comments in this thread from 'lovehammer'... He can't help it though. That's his M.O. -- whining about things that aren't really a big deal in PvP, because he doesn't have a clue about PvP. "Oh noes! You used an Eruption! You'll be innume for like 15 or 18 seconds and then you can't use it for another couple minutes! HOW UNFAIR! WAHHHHH." You know, typical non-PvPer whining about PeeveePee stuffs.
Soon after, there is resentment due to crony behaviour, and these community efforts break
down. How many times does this have to fail?
No revival effort will succeed short of Cryptic adjusting the rules of the game. No player can be trusted.
Ahhh my feels, where is a green bubble when I need it! :<
But yeah you certainly have a point. Hey, it's PvP people do it to beat each other up and prove what they have worked towards building a build and getting the best gear to put what they have to the test. Every PvP'er has a cheesier toon and some have lesser toons they use for fun so you are right where people have a toon they can switch onto if they get buthurt. For example when I just started PvP'ing again about a year and a half ago in one of my first bash's a certain youtuber was playing on one of his "pve" toons. I killed him once and I was really happy that I did manage to kill him at the time as my build was using blue gear and butchers blades, he got super mad then switched onto his main and spawn killed me 10 times in a row using a bind target so he always knew where I had just spawned.
This guy was hardly someone to really get anything going but every PvP'er has something like that in them, maybe not so extreme but without any hunger to win in PvP it stops really being that fun.
A Playlist of my CO PvP video's (starting from post nerf PTS team duels)
The a Ultimate Liga guy duels me he whips out two gun, dinos and AOPM , so I just one shot'ed him with a Conquer approved Haymaker and then he just started calling me a cheater. So I said duel me again I wont haymaker you. We dueled again. I Sapphired his **** into next year then afk sat on his face.
Good times.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
If you don't agree that's fine. But, if somebody has an opinion other than yours, being an a-hole about it doesn't really change much.
I get it. You NEED devices. Fine. I could careless. When i talk to a lot people as well as my friends about why they don't play Bash more, it seems to come down to people abusing devices. The post was about bringing in more people to play. This seemed like a logical thing to bring up to increase numbers... only because this has been brought up time and time again.
I give a eff if you cry about me or anybody talking about your crutches (Devices) you act like i was attacking someone. I was not. But you used my name. So, i had to call you out. I didn't start this. Just because you can't deal with someone mentioning your beloved DEVICES doesn't give you the right to talk down to me. So... i don't pvp anymore. And... i still have friends that do. I still hear them complain about devices. That's the only reason i brought it up.
Childish and ignorant. Please keep my name out of your mouth. Nobody else felt attacked by my post, why do you?
Winning at pvp is all they care about. No matter the cost. Moral high ground? Well, I'm sure there are a few out there, but really...exploits exist and many use them to their advantage.
And if you call out these individuals on it, they just call you weak or jealous for not wanting to be like them. Rather pathetic and sad.
And yes, this happens even in dueling. SMH.
Some people will never change. So, to answer your question... the failing is endless.
"No player can be trusted"
Yeah exploiting exploits is lame... Wait now even I'm confused, how can you exploit exploits. Surely they are named exploits as they are bugs or things are not intended that are being exploited. So you are exploiting something that was already exploited...
I wonder who exploited it first, it's like the chicken and the egg as for which came first that's for sure!
A Playlist of my CO PvP video's (starting from post nerf PTS team duels)
That would require transparency and, you know, reporting exploits as soon as they are encountered instead of keeping and putting them to use.
None of this "petty" device talk means a thing to me.
I was just reminded of what's really important.
Just thought i would share.
And for those that have not seen the Memorial post... take a look.
It's about something real and meaningful. Devices? PVP? Not so much.
It will just take a moment of your time.
Peace
Let me explain.
I see you have your opinion, and you are free to have one. As am I, last time I checked.
My comment was mean't to expose just how you're fanning a flame but having to start a fire first. Why whine about devices when no one was even talking about them? It's a dead cow that you insist on poking with a stick time and time again.
BTW, nice job with all the generalizations you've run rampant with in the below quote.
I barely even play this game. Mostly because people like you go out of their way to derail threads with off-topic anti-device nonsense.
EDIT: Your original post on page 2, imho, is like this:
"I'LL NEVER PLAY A HERO GAME AGAIN, UNTIL THEY MAKE SOMETHING ALREADY INSIGNIFICANT EVEN MORE INSIGNIFICANT."
So constructive. Much contribution.
I don't remember saying anything about devices, malware only mentioned where people were complaining about it pointlessly as if complaining will do anything.
Games are made to be fun to play so that the company can make money from the fact people find it fun enough to continue playing the MMO. Fact is it shouldn't really matter to anyone what anyone else really thinks while playing a game. People take stuff to serious in games and it can really become un-healthy.
Yeah the memorial does remind you of things in real life, ofcourse a game is not real life. However to a lot of people CO is much like a house for people to stay in. A community is housed inside this house, the house currently isn't getting the maintenance it really needs and problems people have such as leaks and damp is worse than ever. Infact I hear in some rooms people have had infestation of lucidity spiders. :O
"MY DOG!"
Fact is people wont stick around in that house, they'll search for a new room in another house as they find some of the lack of maintenance to be too much to really find being in that house fun to be in. As these people start to leave other's find that the community they once had is now gone and many of their friends are gone, many before they leave spread a bunch of things such as doom posters and write books with stupid stories in before leaving.
I am still hopeful that in the summer after this NW change comes in maybe we'll see some maintenance on various parts of the game, the house is still standing the walls are all intact and some wallpaper and carpet is still keeping it's colour to not need replacing. But work needs doing on it.
A Playlist of my CO PvP video's (starting from post nerf PTS team duels)
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I could live with a queue fix, nevermind glaring things like Stronghold turrets. Please
We are all pr0h deep down, just some of us don't know it yet!
Here, have the most annoying smiley on the internet. -> :rolleyes:
A Playlist of my CO PvP video's (starting from post nerf PTS team duels)
But like i said, no big deal. I had a opinion. He alone responded. It's been addressed as a non matter. Fine. I have my views, others have theirs. Devices are a part of PVP. I would like to see them gone, so newbies and pure builders would feel better(All i hear from some people) about joining bash. (Not a nerf) Lot of assumptions about my post... sigh.
Anyway, enough is enough. Maybe there is another solution to bringing in new players...
Pass it on, when and if you find a way to make that happen.
Page 2, you posted without warrant, topic or prompt:
You said "I will never play bash again"
To be honest, I've played a ****load of bash and have most of it recorded and uploaded to youtube for at least 2 years of pre/post-on alert. When did you play bash exactly? Why is your outdated, meaningless comment on page 2 important to the current state of PvP?
I've never been pr0h, I'm always mature. o3o
Everyone has access to devices, not just the opposite team o0? I think you either are too lazy to farm or don't want to spend money. No effort means no result, that's life. Instead of crying you could invest the time into something more productive, so you can be on par with the other gamers... (farming, pew, pew, brrrzzz, brrrrzzz, etc.)
DUDE that quote in red was from IMP! Not me...what the eff are you talking about? I was answering that with this..."It's not what he said mostly, it was how it was said and directed.
What is your problem? You are way off base. Talk about meaningless, outdated, and classless all in one. Read, and comprehend what you see and you won't get lost, man.
I was simply replying to Imps post. Wow. Get a grip. Nobody is concerned with your elitist attitude about the current state of pvp. It was about clearing up a misunderstanding, and asking IMP if there are any other ways to bring newbies in. Again, THE TEXT IN RED is not my QUOTE! I was responding to it! Jeezus!
You take the hero games forums too serious sometimes. ;D Don't worry, I do that sometimes too.
I would like to think that despite everything and despite PvP being so hostile, everyone actually has a really nice side and we're all just trying to make the game more interesting for ourselves sometimes when you see people like luci slowly turn insane.
I like how laid back our "coPvP" community is, it's nice.
A Playlist of my CO PvP video's (starting from post nerf PTS team duels)
Not about money. Been here since the first day. Threw down dollars have not looked back. I have tons of drifter salvage. Buy and sell devices all the time. I DON"T WONT DEVICES on my builds. So, you and others need to accept the fact that there are people out there that want nothing to do with devices.
I don't want to be like certain people. I don't want to be, like them. Understand?
I know, it's hard to grasp. But really, I"m good and happy with my builds the way they are.
And conforming to using devices to beat up other players isn't for me.
For others...that's what they want to do... cool. My problem is with the assumptions that if someone doesn't like devices, all of sudden they are somehow crying or jealous, have no clue.
Please... you can have your devices. I said as much. It's a part of pvp. I wish it wasn't, as i think it would bring in more people. It's that simple. I love devices in pve and rampages. Makes a whole lot of sense there. But don't over analyze someone or an opinion.
9 times out of ten you will be wrong
But, at the very least you seem to have a more open viewpoint then most.
Do you have any idea's on getting PVP going again? Can i direct some of my more pvp curious friends to the post... or is that a bad idea? Will they be attacked also, if their ideas don't mesh with the "Current state of pvp"?
Every once in a awhile i think of coming back to pvp. Then i come here. And i see why i don't. No offense to you. But the venom. The vile.
But aside from that, i hope pvp gets a revamp.
It used to be a lot of fun early on in it's existence. Unlike a lot of people who hate pvp and the people who play pvp... it would be nice to see it thrive for all types of players, not just a certain few.
If there were a way to bridge that gap... i just don't think Cryptic cares that much.
Sigh...