The OP back here , cant believe this topic is still up
Anyways , I have sent in several different petitions and am waiting on a response of any sort...I still have not logged this character in and she still sits with the Badname 8654431 and the rename up...
Bouncing Betty , Norma Stits , Twin Peaks(oh wait thats a tv show!) , Major Floatation , Mounds of Mass Destruction , Major Melons...I am sure I could go on and on...
But yeah , I am still awaiting some type of response to this...
The OP back here , cant believe this topic is still up
Anyways , I have sent in several different petitions and am waiting on a response of any sort...I still have not logged this character in and she still sits with the Badname 8654431 and the rename up...
Bouncing Betty , Norma Stits , Twin Peaks(oh wait thats a tv show!) , Major Floatation , Mounds of Mass Destruction , Major Melons...I am sure I could go on and on...
But yeah , I am still awaiting some type of response to this...
I really don't need to meet them to know that they don't practice "magic", lol. They just delude themselves that they do.
Oh, I see how you meant that.
For a moment I thought you were seriously trying to claim personal acquaintance with these people I knew (and respectfully didn't name) and assert that they had never cracked open an occult book or shuffled a deck of tarot cards.
Hopefully you aren't considering any of those names.
Using any of those names after being warned not to isn't going to work out how you think it will. All that will end up doing is getting them to change the name for you or depending how much of a crass you end up going, it could end up worse.
Also one petition is all that is required, if they said no in the first petition, the answer is likely not to change.
Hopefully you aren't considering any of those names.
Using any of those names after being warned not to isn't going to work out how you think it will. All that will end up doing is getting them to change the name for you or depending how much of a crass you end up going, it could end up worse.
Also one petition is all that is required, if they said no in the first petition, the answer is likely not to change.
So what if he is? It's honestly absolutely none of our business what his character names are unless they're blatantly and unmistakably offensive. If a tame boob reference is too much for you or anyone else to handle then you have my pity.
You've made it clear this sort of thing doesn't float your boat. We don't need to be reminded again.
Now, how about we stop trying to lecture the OP about how the CS/GMs may respond and let him cross that bridge when he gets to it.
Now , I would like to continue with this character and the same joke theme since they are just about 40th level now...But I was trying to come up with suggestions with others in zone chat and GM Navi sets to inform me that I could try to change my name to things like Major Melons , but next time I wouldn't just get slapped with a minor name change violation???
*snip*
I would like to have some suggestions , especially from a GM or someone else who can respond and actually let me know what would be ok...
THat sentence is what Draogn is referrring to. GM Navi has already stated to the OP that the punishment won't be a minor one, is he tries changing it to a similar type of name.
THat sentence is what Draogn is referrring to. GM Navi has already stated to the OP that the punishment won't be a minor one, is he tries changing it to a similar type of name.
It's been said plenty of times already that GMs have been known to make bogus calls before and that the OP has every right to try to appeal the decision. Draogn has made his stance on the OP's situation clear more than once already. If Draogn or anyone else doesn't like that the OP is trying to get a second opinion on the matter that's just tough and they should probably stop letting things like that upset them. There is certainly no need for him or anyone else to keep reiterating the GM's stance to the matter to the OP. It's childish behavior. Let the CS reps responding to the tickets handle it and make the once-and-for-all decision on the subject.
All I was pointing out was that the rules were the rules. My 'stance' was simply to point out where in the rules the names lie, boob references don't concern me nor are they offensive to me.
The point I was making in the post you quoted was to hopefully provide him wiht some friendly advice that ignoring warnings will potentially result in worse things then a name change.
It's one thing to speak out against something, it's another thing completely to ignore the warning completely and perform the actions that you were told not to do. But if he wishes to ignore the warnings then so be it.
There is no master list of what is to be considered offensive that we all must agree on.
Not offensive TO YOU != not offensive to all.
Let's put it this way then; If you see a woman working at a Hooters restaurant wearing a Hooters shirt to obviously emphasize on the size of her chest and you somehow feel offended, you have some serious insecurity and/or intolerance issues and need to get them checked.
It's rather the same as looking at huge-chested female character ingame together with a textual reference to her chest and then choosing to get offended.
Let's put it this way then; If you see a woman working at a Hooters restaurant wearing a Hooters shirt to obviously emphasize on the size of her chest and you somehow feel offended, you have some serious insecurity and/or intolerance issues and need to get them checked.
It's rather the same as looking at huge-chested female character ingame together with a textual reference to her chest and then choosing to get offended.
No, I think the proper thing to do is to report the Hooters to the authorities and get them to change the name from that obvious reference to breasts because kids might see it while they're walking past on the street.
has the OP submitted the ticket to have the GM's actions reviewed yet? I'm kinda wondering how that's going...
Let's put it this way then; If you see a woman working at a Hooters restaurant wearing a Hooters shirt to obviously emphasize on the size of her chest and you somehow feel offended, you have some serious insecurity and/or intolerance issues and need to get them checked.
It's rather the same as looking at huge-chested female character ingame together with a textual reference to her chest and then choosing to get offended.
What idiot goes into Hooters NOT expecting women with large breasts and / or cleavage? Which can actually be said about most video games.
No, I think the proper thing to do is to report the Hooters to the authorities and get them to change the name from that obvious reference to breasts because kids might see it while they're walking past on the street.
Let's put it this way then; If you see a woman working at a Hooters restaurant wearing a Hooters shirt to obviously emphasize on the size of her chest and you somehow feel offended, you have some serious insecurity and/or intolerance issues and need to get them checked.
I see you either ignored or overlooked the first statement of my post. No surprise there. This isn't about me. I have no problem with the character's name (or actual cleavage). My beef was with your sweeping statement that implied that you get to decide what should be offensive to everyone and what shouldn't. You don't. And neither does anyone else in this thread. You can't impose your values and morality on others, no matter how ridiculous you may believe theirs to be.
Personally, I believe the case in the OP (if it's accurate) should be reviewed and reversed. It's most likely a case of an overworked GM simply rubberstamping a complaint with a cursory review (if any). It's okay to be offended, but that doesn't mean a complainant should get their way in every case.
The name "Isaac Dickinson" is perfectly viable as a real person's name here in England. I wonder if it'd be deemed offensive if used for a character in CO however.
I see you either ignored or overlooked the first statement of my post. No surprise there. This isn't about me. I have no problem with the character's name (or actual cleavage). My beef was with your sweeping statement that implied that you get to decide what should be offensive to everyone and what shouldn't. You don't. And neither does anyone else in this thread. You can't impose your values and morality on others, no matter how ridiculous you may believe theirs to be.
Personally, I believe the case in the OP (if it's accurate) should be reviewed and reversed. It's most likely a case of an overworked GM simply rubberstamping a complaint with a cursory review (if any). It's okay to be offended, but that doesn't mean a complainant should get their way in every case.
Well you missed the point here. No surprise there.
The game allows for players to create female toons with huge chests and exposed cleavages that are acceptable within the teen rating: Visual reference is tolerated. In the case of the OP, a visual, textual reference is made but for some reason that's not allowed when it should be within the teen rating. That's an undeniable double-standard and has nothing to do with me imposing my values or morality on people. My main problem is the double-standard, get it already? Me saying that someone playing the game with the teen rating while choosing to get offended by a reference to huge boobs when they exist in the game being a stupid response != imposing values on people.
My reply to you wasn't even about you if you bothered to read my Hooters analogy properly.
While I'm in total agreement that the OP's character's name is not offensive TO ME, I can't agree with this statement.
There is no master list of what is to be considered offensive that we all must agree on.
Not offensive TO YOU != not offensive to all.
Have to agree.
Offensive is, by definition, subjective. One person being offended by something means that the something is offensive, to at least one person.
The point is not to avoid giving offense to anyone, such is not really possible, but rather to find a reasonable compromise where we avoid offending too many people. The OP's situation seems to go too far IMO. It is unreasonable, IMO, to ban a character name that references cleavage while the game itself not only allows, but seems to encourage, the same.
You'd be absolutely right if every single "Major Cleavage" character was found to be in violation of the rules. At least one that I'm aware of was found to not be a violation by a GM after having reviewed a ticket asking if it was indeed a violation. What happened between then (roughly four years ago) and now that caused the name "Major Cleavage" to start getting classified as a violation? There is a discrepancy and the OP has every right to ask questions about the renaming of his character, especially given how said character was renamed once to "TOS Violation" and then again to the "Badname" format.
Additionally, it's just straight up ridiculous to alow characters to have cleavage, even official characters like Sapphire, but get jumpy when it shows up as part of their name. Slippery slope time: how about we just remove any and all visual options that involve cleavage and nip the entire problem in the bud. That way the only way we can use the word will really only be in regards to cleaving. Sound good, Cryptic? That'll give the GMs less to worry about, eh?
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blame my random reference library
Cassell Dictionary of slang
cleave 18th C- early 19th:(v)1.a woman usually a prostitute, to pose as a virgin while not being one. 2. of a woman to behave promiscuously (SE cleaveto split ie her legs)
cleaver 18thC to early 19thC ; a butcher and his tools; a prostitute
theres some more information, you probably never wanted
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hipster 1930s+: (n) so, you're using old slang there
swag has various meanings from 17th Century on including theives booty(cloth and linen, as opposed to jewellery) am itinerant wanderers pack, worthless, a lot or plenty of everything, a pedlars wares, a small shop and its contents...iut goes on for most of that column.
as for the F....t word : [late 17th to early 19th C] (n) a man mustered for duty in the army(and thus bound to service) but not yet formally enlisted.
the other meaning didn't come into effect for males till 1910s(US), females 1950s(US) etymology is debateable on this meaning
Yes the book lists backgrounds of where the words came from
Whenever I see something about "offense" I feel the urge to quote Stephen Fry...
?It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so f*****g what."
If people would just stop choosing to be offended by stuff, all these sorts of problems would just go away. People like to act like being offended is some innate thing, like it's something you have to do and that you have no choice about, as if your upbringing and the collective opinions of the people around you throughout your life have somehow turned you into some sort of judgement machine that no longer has a choice in the judgements it makes about things. I find it so offensive when people do that :biggrin:
Whenever I see something about "offense" I feel the urge to quote Stephen Fry...
?It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so f*****g what."
LOL ah modern cowards who hide behind so called civilization. You see once upon a time when one man offended another the only and imo truly viable course of action was a fight to the death. In other words offending someone is as good and natural a reason as any to have arms taken up against the offending party.
Dont think so?
Let me ask you this, if your out with a lovely girl, and some douche bag the likes of Sterling Archer came up and starting speaking in about as offensive of a manner as humanly possible, would you stand there and let your companion be insulted until she decided it was time for her to leave you and just call it a night, or feed him his teeth?
The women I favor all prefer a man who deals with such scum with force, and like myself yearn for the era of sword fought duels and chivalry.
Some of my favorite comic characters like The Grifter are extreme womanizers and happily engage the use of prostitutes, but they dont go around acting like asshats. Ok the one time grifter had to use a pair of sexy red panties as a make shift mask was kind of over the top but it was still damn cool.
My position on this entire thread is simply this, its their sandbox, their GM, and its outright against the rules to discuss a GMs moderation. Which frankly is what makes me feel Smakwell is really failing in his duties here as community moderator as he should damn well know starting a thread about a GM rather then the player sending in a private complaint via email is just as wrong as it gets.
Hence my whole line earlier about a kid QQing about being spanked running to his friends for moral support over daddy abusing him.
Im a pretty rebellious person when a real reason and potential to rebel exists. Not in a game where in the end only the Devs and GMs have any rights or power. We are all just sheople in MMO, trying to pretend otherwise is the height of self delusion.
Seriously Biff, you know better then this man. Any discussion of a GMs moderation on the forums is a huge no no and you know this.
LOL ah modern cowards who hide behind so called civilization. You see once upon a time when one man offended another the only and imo truly viable course of action was a fight to the death. In other words offending someone is as good and natural a reason as any to have arms taken up against the offending party.
Dont think so?
Let me ask you this, if your out with a lovely girl, and some douche bag the likes of Sterling Archer came up and starting speaking in about as offensive of a manner as humanly possible, would you stand there and let your companion be insulted until she decided it was time for her to leave you and just call it a night, or feed him his teeth?
The women I favor all prefer a man who deals with such scum with force, and like myself yearn for the era of sword fought duels and chivalry.
Some of my favorite comic characters like The Grifter are extreme womanizers and happily engage the use of prostitutes, but they dont go around acting like asshats. Ok the one time grifter had to use a pair of sexy red panties as a make shift mask was kind of over the top but it was still damn cool.
My position on this entire thread is simply this, its their sandbox, their GM, and its outright against the rules to discuss a GMs moderation. Which frankly is what makes me feel Smakwell is really failing in his duties here as community moderator as he should damn well know starting a thread about a GM rather then the player sending in a private complaint via email is just as wrong as it gets.
Hence my whole line earlier about a kid QQing about being spanked running to his friends for moral support over daddy abusing him.
Im a pretty rebellious person when a real reason and potential to rebel exists. Not in a game where in the end only the Devs and GMs have any rights or power. We are all just sheople in MMO, trying to pretend otherwise is the height of self delusion.
Seriously Biff, you know better then this man. Any discussion of a GMs moderation on the forums is a huge no no and you know this.
Personally I'd rather leave the situation than fight about it, be the bigger man and walk away. Jerks will be jerks and I'd rather not deal with someone who'd easily punch someone out over removing me from the situation first.
As far as the conversations, the OP did mention that they occurred in Zone chat, which if I recall is a public channel and can be discussed. The OP also mentions that he was asking for advice, not QQing, on if he could appeal and if not then asked for alternative names from the community. We the posters replied with our opinions, and how we felt about the issue at large, not just his specific situation.
Long story short he was generic'd for someone at one point reporting his name. The bigger issue is that far more offensive names and characters remain in game untouched for this to be a fair assessment of the dev's (not the one mentioned replying in Zone chat, but whomever actually did the name change) judgement. If they want it to be all PG then they need to enforce it across the board. This random here and there correcting isn't helping their stance at all.
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Personally I'd rather leave the situation than fight about it, be the bigger man and walk away. Jerks will be jerks and I'd rather not deal with someone who'd easily punch someone out over removing me from the situation first.
As far as the conversations, the OP did mention that they occurred in Zone chat, which if I recall is a public channel and can be discussed. The OP also mentions that he was asking for advice, not QQing, on if he could appeal and if not then asked for alternative names from the community. We the posters replied with our opinions, and how we felt about the issue at large, not just his specific situation.
Long story short he was generic'd for someone at one point reporting his name. The bigger issue is that far more offensive names and characters remain in game untouched for this to be a fair assessment of the dev's (not the one mentioned replying in Zone chat, but whomever actually did the name change) judgement. If they want it to be all PG then they need to enforce it across the board. This random here and there correcting isn't helping their stance at all.
Uhm not some kind of news that CO is horribly undermanned. But its either poorly manned best they can moderation or whats next, let people have a mechanic similar to the chat ban system so next players can decide to generic other players purely for personal reasons?
And that turning the other cheek thing is cute but its also cowardice pure and plain. When a man sees something wrong he makes it right or dies trying, not scurry away as a beaten dog.
Look to nature and be guided by the lion, the lion that lets the young newcomer simply move in and take his pride is not worth emulating, the old lion who dies fighting to keep his pride is. Same for the wolf, same for the elephant, same for the stallion. Predator or herbivore, being the best example of the species means stomping the ones lacking proper social behaviors into dead meat for scavengers to feast upon.
LOL ah modern cowards who hide behind so called civilization. You see once upon a time when one man offended another the only and imo truly viable course of action was a fight to the death. In other words offending someone is as good and natural a reason as any to have arms taken up against the offending party.
Dont think so?
Let me ask you this, if your out with a lovely girl, and some douche bag the likes of Sterling Archer came up and starting speaking in about as offensive of a manner as humanly possible, would you stand there and let your companion be insulted until she decided it was time for her to leave you and just call it a night, or feed him his teeth?
The women I favor all prefer a man who deals with such scum with force, and like myself yearn for the era of sword fought duels and chivalry.
Um, hello? The scenarios that you're using here aren't within the context of what the issue of the thread is about. It has nothing to do with an open act of harassment.
Im a pretty rebellious person when a real reason and potential to rebel exists. Not in a game where in the end only the Devs and GMs have any rights or power. We are all just sheople in MMO, trying to pretend otherwise is the height of self delusion.
Yeah Devs and GMs are all powerful, it's their game. That doesn't mean that they should act authoritarian. Players have the right to appeal if they felt that a GM action is wrong. The double-standard being shown by the GM in this case is a good reason for the appeal.
People who use their fists to enforce their opinions of how others should behave are far worse people than someone who just says something offensive. What you're describing is a bully, not some "heroic ideal of manhood".
Yes, some women like the kind of guy you mention. Then again, there are many women who prefer a mature man who isn't so overly emotional that they fly into a rage and start assaulting people. If a woman would actually leave you because you didn't punch a guy out and risk incarceration... that's a woman you don't want around, because she's basically a selfish person who doesn't care what happens to anyone around her so long as her own ego is satisfied.
There's a reason that freedom of speech and self expression is supported, while assault ends you up in prison.
This is relevant to the topic at hand because I believe that the initial report was likely filed by someone experiencing some emotional turmoil, who decided to lash out with bogus tickets due to their inability to lash out at someone on the internet with their fists.
PS - it's ironic that you're so outspoken about how people shouldn't criticize GMs... and yet here you are, criticizing Smackwell.
Uhm not some kind of news that CO is horribly undermanned. But its either poorly manned best they can moderation or whats next, let people have a mechanic similar to the chat ban system so next players can decide to generic other players purely for personal reasons?
And that turning the other cheek thing is cute but its also cowardice pure and plain. When a man sees something wrong he makes it right or dies trying, not scurry away as a beaten dog.
Look to nature and be guided by the lion, the lion that lets the young newcomer simply move in and take his pride is not worth emulating, the old lion who dies fighting to keep his pride is. Same for the wolf, same for the elephant, same for the stallion. Predator or herbivore, being the best example of the species means stomping the ones lacking proper social behaviors into dead meat for scavengers to feast upon.
I think it actually takes more courage to walk away when you don't need to fight. We aren't animals in the wild, no matter how you wish to emulate them. And no I don't need a man to fight my fights. If it bothered me that much I'd leave, and if the man I was with had any desire to remain with me then he'd leave as well. Jumping into a fight anytime someone says something mean or "bad" isn't strength or courage.. it's being easily riled.
And I'm not suggesting anything of the sort about an in game player police force. That would just be asking for horrible results. All I simply said is that if players are reporting other players via the system in place, then they need to be the same across the board, and not decide that this one is ok or this one of equal offense isn't. The same goes for clones and other ToS violations. I get that they are understaffed, but there's still someone that filters through those reports.
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I think certain Cryptic/PWE employee has sort of lost any sort of authority over this when theres dozens of toons now called HEY LISTEN! all over the place now....and one called Uncle Plucker..that one made me spit coffee over the nearest pug :I
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I think it actually takes more courage to walk away when you don't need to fight. We aren't animals in the wild, no matter how you wish to emulate them. And no I don't need a man to fight my fights. If it bothered me that much I'd leave, and if the man I was with had any desire to remain with me then he'd leave as well. Jumping into a fight anytime someone says something mean or "bad" isn't strength or courage.. it's being easily riled.
How dare you not just sigh and faint at his manliness!
I think certain Cryptic/PWE employee has sort of lost any sort of authority over this when theres dozens of toons now called HEY LISTEN! all over the place now....and one called Uncle Plucker..that one made me spit coffee over the nearest pug :I
The antelopes are dancing around the lion while wearing lion masks and mocking it for trying to take a bite.
Um... Chivalry is dead. It's an outmoded and sexist system. But perhaps you would like to go to the Ren Fair and live out your fantasies?
Please, Caveman Sky. Try kojiro's suggestion. Be sure to post video of gentlemen who know what chivalry actually means, as they proceed to teach you as well. It should be entertaining.
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And that turning the other cheek thing is cute but its also cowardice pure and plain. When a man sees something wrong he makes it right or dies trying, not scurry away as a beaten dog.
This is possibly the most childish expression of "manhood" that I've ever seen on these boards.
As if the universe has a sense of comedic timing, I ran into this today while farming alerts. I would try to say something clever, but I am simply at a loss for words for how quickly the universe just served this up for me.
If someone would care to think up a clever caption for this image...
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Anyways , I have sent in several different petitions and am waiting on a response of any sort...I still have not logged this character in and she still sits with the Badname 8654431 and the rename up...
Bouncing Betty , Norma Stits , Twin Peaks(oh wait thats a tv show!) , Major Floatation , Mounds of Mass Destruction , Major Melons...I am sure I could go on and on...
But yeah , I am still awaiting some type of response to this...
Have you tried PMing TT?
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Oh, I see how you meant that.
For a moment I thought you were seriously trying to claim personal acquaintance with these people I knew (and respectfully didn't name) and assert that they had never cracked open an occult book or shuffled a deck of tarot cards.
that is part of her description
By the way, she's a force user and I consider most force users a major nuisance
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Using any of those names after being warned not to isn't going to work out how you think it will. All that will end up doing is getting them to change the name for you or depending how much of a crass you end up going, it could end up worse.
Also one petition is all that is required, if they said no in the first petition, the answer is likely not to change.
So what if he is? It's honestly absolutely none of our business what his character names are unless they're blatantly and unmistakably offensive. If a tame boob reference is too much for you or anyone else to handle then you have my pity.
You've made it clear this sort of thing doesn't float your boat. We don't need to be reminded again.
Now, how about we stop trying to lecture the OP about how the CS/GMs may respond and let him cross that bridge when he gets to it.
THat sentence is what Draogn is referrring to. GM Navi has already stated to the OP that the punishment won't be a minor one, is he tries changing it to a similar type of name.
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It's been said plenty of times already that GMs have been known to make bogus calls before and that the OP has every right to try to appeal the decision. Draogn has made his stance on the OP's situation clear more than once already. If Draogn or anyone else doesn't like that the OP is trying to get a second opinion on the matter that's just tough and they should probably stop letting things like that upset them. There is certainly no need for him or anyone else to keep reiterating the GM's stance to the matter to the OP. It's childish behavior. Let the CS reps responding to the tickets handle it and make the once-and-for-all decision on the subject.
While I'm in total agreement that the OP's character's name is not offensive TO ME, I can't agree with this statement.
There is no master list of what is to be considered offensive that we all must agree on.
Not offensive TO YOU != not offensive to all.
And while we're at it - 16 pages on one person's version of what happened? Really?
The point I was making in the post you quoted was to hopefully provide him wiht some friendly advice that ignoring warnings will potentially result in worse things then a name change.
It's one thing to speak out against something, it's another thing completely to ignore the warning completely and perform the actions that you were told not to do. But if he wishes to ignore the warnings then so be it.
I wasn't aware that the Taliban and the Westboro Baptist Church played this game.
Or Yuh Sak Dix
I think it all comes down to whatever is in reason.. but even then... where's the reasonable limit?
By the way, your name offends me. change it ! o.O (not really.. just figured i'd throw that out there as my need to throw in a exaggerated example)
Let's put it this way then; If you see a woman working at a Hooters restaurant wearing a Hooters shirt to obviously emphasize on the size of her chest and you somehow feel offended, you have some serious insecurity and/or intolerance issues and need to get them checked.
It's rather the same as looking at huge-chested female character ingame together with a textual reference to her chest and then choosing to get offended.
No, I think the proper thing to do is to report the Hooters to the authorities and get them to change the name from that obvious reference to breasts because kids might see it while they're walking past on the street.
has the OP submitted the ticket to have the GM's actions reviewed yet? I'm kinda wondering how that's going...
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What idiot goes into Hooters NOT expecting women with large breasts and / or cleavage? Which can actually be said about most video games.
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What the hell? You mean it's not an Aviary to look at Owls?!! Why do people keep saying they met the bird there?
I see you either ignored or overlooked the first statement of my post. No surprise there. This isn't about me. I have no problem with the character's name (or actual cleavage). My beef was with your sweeping statement that implied that you get to decide what should be offensive to everyone and what shouldn't. You don't. And neither does anyone else in this thread. You can't impose your values and morality on others, no matter how ridiculous you may believe theirs to be.
Personally, I believe the case in the OP (if it's accurate) should be reviewed and reversed. It's most likely a case of an overworked GM simply rubberstamping a complaint with a cursory review (if any). It's okay to be offended, but that doesn't mean a complainant should get their way in every case.
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Well you missed the point here. No surprise there.
The game allows for players to create female toons with huge chests and exposed cleavages that are acceptable within the teen rating: Visual reference is tolerated. In the case of the OP, a visual, textual reference is made but for some reason that's not allowed when it should be within the teen rating. That's an undeniable double-standard and has nothing to do with me imposing my values or morality on people. My main problem is the double-standard, get it already? Me saying that someone playing the game with the teen rating while choosing to get offended by a reference to huge boobs when they exist in the game being a stupid response != imposing values on people.
My reply to you wasn't even about you if you bothered to read my Hooters analogy properly.
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Have to agree.
Offensive is, by definition, subjective. One person being offended by something means that the something is offensive, to at least one person.
The point is not to avoid giving offense to anyone, such is not really possible, but rather to find a reasonable compromise where we avoid offending too many people. The OP's situation seems to go too far IMO. It is unreasonable, IMO, to ban a character name that references cleavage while the game itself not only allows, but seems to encourage, the same.
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Cassell Dictionary of slang
cleave 18th C- early 19th:(v)1.a woman usually a prostitute, to pose as a virgin while not being one. 2. of a woman to behave promiscuously (SE cleaveto split ie her legs)
cleaver 18thC to early 19thC ; a butcher and his tools; a prostitute
theres some more information, you probably never wanted
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hipster 1930s+: (n) so, you're using old slang there
swag has various meanings from 17th Century on including theives booty(cloth and linen, as opposed to jewellery) am itinerant wanderers pack, worthless, a lot or plenty of everything, a pedlars wares, a small shop and its contents...iut goes on for most of that column.
as for the F....t word : [late 17th to early 19th C] (n) a man mustered for duty in the army(and thus bound to service) but not yet formally enlisted.
the other meaning didn't come into effect for males till 1910s(US), females 1950s(US) etymology is debateable on this meaning
Yes the book lists backgrounds of where the words came from
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?It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so f*****g what."
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LOL ah modern cowards who hide behind so called civilization. You see once upon a time when one man offended another the only and imo truly viable course of action was a fight to the death. In other words offending someone is as good and natural a reason as any to have arms taken up against the offending party.
Dont think so?
Let me ask you this, if your out with a lovely girl, and some douche bag the likes of Sterling Archer came up and starting speaking in about as offensive of a manner as humanly possible, would you stand there and let your companion be insulted until she decided it was time for her to leave you and just call it a night, or feed him his teeth?
The women I favor all prefer a man who deals with such scum with force, and like myself yearn for the era of sword fought duels and chivalry.
Some of my favorite comic characters like The Grifter are extreme womanizers and happily engage the use of prostitutes, but they dont go around acting like asshats. Ok the one time grifter had to use a pair of sexy red panties as a make shift mask was kind of over the top but it was still damn cool.
My position on this entire thread is simply this, its their sandbox, their GM, and its outright against the rules to discuss a GMs moderation. Which frankly is what makes me feel Smakwell is really failing in his duties here as community moderator as he should damn well know starting a thread about a GM rather then the player sending in a private complaint via email is just as wrong as it gets.
Hence my whole line earlier about a kid QQing about being spanked running to his friends for moral support over daddy abusing him.
Im a pretty rebellious person when a real reason and potential to rebel exists. Not in a game where in the end only the Devs and GMs have any rights or power. We are all just sheople in MMO, trying to pretend otherwise is the height of self delusion.
Seriously Biff, you know better then this man. Any discussion of a GMs moderation on the forums is a huge no no and you know this.
Personally I'd rather leave the situation than fight about it, be the bigger man and walk away. Jerks will be jerks and I'd rather not deal with someone who'd easily punch someone out over removing me from the situation first.
As far as the conversations, the OP did mention that they occurred in Zone chat, which if I recall is a public channel and can be discussed. The OP also mentions that he was asking for advice, not QQing, on if he could appeal and if not then asked for alternative names from the community. We the posters replied with our opinions, and how we felt about the issue at large, not just his specific situation.
Long story short he was generic'd for someone at one point reporting his name. The bigger issue is that far more offensive names and characters remain in game untouched for this to be a fair assessment of the dev's (not the one mentioned replying in Zone chat, but whomever actually did the name change) judgement. If they want it to be all PG then they need to enforce it across the board. This random here and there correcting isn't helping their stance at all.
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Uhm not some kind of news that CO is horribly undermanned. But its either poorly manned best they can moderation or whats next, let people have a mechanic similar to the chat ban system so next players can decide to generic other players purely for personal reasons?
And that turning the other cheek thing is cute but its also cowardice pure and plain. When a man sees something wrong he makes it right or dies trying, not scurry away as a beaten dog.
Look to nature and be guided by the lion, the lion that lets the young newcomer simply move in and take his pride is not worth emulating, the old lion who dies fighting to keep his pride is. Same for the wolf, same for the elephant, same for the stallion. Predator or herbivore, being the best example of the species means stomping the ones lacking proper social behaviors into dead meat for scavengers to feast upon.
Um, hello? The scenarios that you're using here aren't within the context of what the issue of the thread is about. It has nothing to do with an open act of harassment.
If there's one thing I find offensive, it's how people resort to stupid memes to label someone with a complaint as being a crybaby outright.
Oh, and also people trivializing the issue of parental child-abuse by using it as a comparison here.
Yeah Devs and GMs are all powerful, it's their game. That doesn't mean that they should act authoritarian. Players have the right to appeal if they felt that a GM action is wrong. The double-standard being shown by the GM in this case is a good reason for the appeal.
People who use their fists to enforce their opinions of how others should behave are far worse people than someone who just says something offensive. What you're describing is a bully, not some "heroic ideal of manhood".
Yes, some women like the kind of guy you mention. Then again, there are many women who prefer a mature man who isn't so overly emotional that they fly into a rage and start assaulting people. If a woman would actually leave you because you didn't punch a guy out and risk incarceration... that's a woman you don't want around, because she's basically a selfish person who doesn't care what happens to anyone around her so long as her own ego is satisfied.
There's a reason that freedom of speech and self expression is supported, while assault ends you up in prison.
This is relevant to the topic at hand because I believe that the initial report was likely filed by someone experiencing some emotional turmoil, who decided to lash out with bogus tickets due to their inability to lash out at someone on the internet with their fists.
PS - it's ironic that you're so outspoken about how people shouldn't criticize GMs... and yet here you are, criticizing Smackwell.
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I think it actually takes more courage to walk away when you don't need to fight. We aren't animals in the wild, no matter how you wish to emulate them. And no I don't need a man to fight my fights. If it bothered me that much I'd leave, and if the man I was with had any desire to remain with me then he'd leave as well. Jumping into a fight anytime someone says something mean or "bad" isn't strength or courage.. it's being easily riled.
And I'm not suggesting anything of the sort about an in game player police force. That would just be asking for horrible results. All I simply said is that if players are reporting other players via the system in place, then they need to be the same across the board, and not decide that this one is ok or this one of equal offense isn't. The same goes for clones and other ToS violations. I get that they are understaffed, but there's still someone that filters through those reports.
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......damn, can't believe I wasted time reading that. What utter ****-hattery.
How dare you not just sigh and faint at his manliness!
(joking of course....and very well said)
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Um... Chivalry is dead. It's an outmoded and sexist system. But perhaps you would like to go to the Ren Fair and live out your fantasies?
The antelopes are dancing around the lion while wearing lion masks and mocking it for trying to take a bite.
So much for emulating the lion.
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Lolwut? How is it sexist?
It assumes women are weak, frail creatures unable to care for themselves as well as objects to be won through feats of strength.
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This is possibly the most childish expression of "manhood" that I've ever seen on these boards.
How is that size even POSSIBLE?