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Name was found to be a TOS Violation...now what
demonoid74
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Ok first off , I have 43 characters , have been a lifetime member since beta . I have NEVER had one single issue with the game , GM's , or violations...
Today I log in with my character , formerly known as Major Cleavage to find out her name has been changed to TOS Violation and I have to rename it...
This character was created years ago literally as a joke late night when we were all talking in ren center . It was never intended to be a "sexy" character , just a funny character with a non offensive name . But it would appear someone , found some obscure person in real life that has chosen Major Cleavage as her persona and they then petitioned my character for whatever reason , more then likely just being a piece of **** .
Now , I would like to continue with this character and the same joke theme since they are just about 40th level now...But I was trying to come up with suggestions with others in zone chat and GM Navi sets to inform me that I could try to change my name to things like Major Melons , but next time I wouldn't just get slapped with a minor name change violation???
What in the hell is wrong with Major Melons? is it some obscure copy written character somewhere? I did state the fact I thought Major Mammaries was a lot dirtier then Cleavage and would not use that...I do not want to get hit with some complete and total ban , considering my long time with this account and all the other money I spend on it when I do play it on and off again...
I would like to have some suggestions , especially from a GM or someone else who can respond and actually let me know what would be ok...
Today I log in with my character , formerly known as Major Cleavage to find out her name has been changed to TOS Violation and I have to rename it...
This character was created years ago literally as a joke late night when we were all talking in ren center . It was never intended to be a "sexy" character , just a funny character with a non offensive name . But it would appear someone , found some obscure person in real life that has chosen Major Cleavage as her persona and they then petitioned my character for whatever reason , more then likely just being a piece of **** .
Now , I would like to continue with this character and the same joke theme since they are just about 40th level now...But I was trying to come up with suggestions with others in zone chat and GM Navi sets to inform me that I could try to change my name to things like Major Melons , but next time I wouldn't just get slapped with a minor name change violation???
What in the hell is wrong with Major Melons? is it some obscure copy written character somewhere? I did state the fact I thought Major Mammaries was a lot dirtier then Cleavage and would not use that...I do not want to get hit with some complete and total ban , considering my long time with this account and all the other money I spend on it when I do play it on and off again...
I would like to have some suggestions , especially from a GM or someone else who can respond and actually let me know what would be ok...
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Huh... that's odd that he would suggest that when you're in the same ballpark of the original name. And I find the original one to be the most "tame" of the other suggestions. Weird. Maybe he was just joking, I dunno.
I really doubt you'll get a permanent ban for something like that, even repeated offenses.
One thing that you might try is reporting your own character, just to get an "okay" from a GM about it, if you think you might be toeing the line. I doubt that would get you an infraction, but don't take my word for it, maybe something to ask Customer Service.
Major Mam Marie?
Major Houlihan?
Sargent Chesticle?
Major Clea V?ge?
Sargent Teats?
Major Beewb?
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Since we got wild GM running in CO. Maybe i should start the clone hunting again...
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I mean really how can someone take offense to the slight mention of monkey udders, its how women feed babies /o/
I wonder if I'd get banned for calling a toon Baby Food.
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Good luck finding a new name. Please keep us abreast of the situation. :biggrin:
So, someone was prudish enough to be offended by the word "cleavage"?? Does that mean that anyone with the word "Legs" in their name should be required to change that to the less shocking "Limbs"? Will all female toons be required to wear decent floor-length skirts, rather than shamelessly flaunting their ankles and leg- er, limbs at us? And what of these males walking about without shirts? Why, someone might get the vapors!
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Think about it PWE sells its fantasy MMO's via the medium of CLEAVAGE! Every bit of art is of some elf or vamp girl with massive boobies.
Major Cleavage's name did not break TOS as Champions Online itself uses the words BREASTS in the sliders and breasts can be seen as a more "overly sexual" word than cleavage.
Any player be they moderators or not that find the word cleavage naughty must have the mentality of an 11 year old and has no place playing a TEEN RATED game.
*btw I don't have my slider all the way up that was for show and tell :P*
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They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
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I think my character "Thunder Gams" might be in trouble.... check out those gams!
Hey, since breasts is actually used by the game interface, then the OP could just call their character "Major Breasts"
My super cool CC build and how to use it.
Aye.. to me, Cleavage isn't a bad word.. besides.. if someone had infact found some obscure person with a persona name of that... what the hell are they even looking at that stuff if they're immature enough to get offended as soon as they see it elsewhere?
when i first saw the name from the OP, Major Cleavage, my first reaction was some Military character with Cleavers o.O there's nothing wrong with the name.. just peoples minds =\
The thing is, the person that changed the OP's name to TOS Violation could have changed the name to Major Cleavers, but they had to be a git about it. I'm pretty sure and action like that is in-itself is a TOS Violation.
Its making the player look like they have done something wrong when we can all see they didnt do anything.
And know this, changing the name to TOS Violation was a BEEP move because the same person changed Messiah's name to Holy. He didnt rename Messiah as TOS Violation.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I have no idea what is wrong with the original character's name. Especially in a T rated game where cleavage is everywhere on major characters.
[at]riviania Member since Aug 2009
I'm surprised such a benign name has a problem.
Personally, I'd wait before changing the name.
See how long they'll let you run around as TOS Violation...
Seems like a unique name to me!
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Ziggy is 99% certain thats gonna cause a time paradox.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
OP didnt mention but reading their post it does look like he or she can change it. That doesn't seem to be the issue here though. Look at the pic I posted the BREAST sliders one, consider how PWE normally draws females then consider the name Major Cleavage. Its either double standards or Hey Listen doesn't know about the breast sliders ( this would inform you how much they know about the game).
Its about a player thats used a name for YEARS whos never rocked the boat in any way getting treated badly for no justifiable reason by an employee of Cryptic/PWE , thats not good PR for Champions anyway you look at it.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
I have no idea how it got to be TOS Violation, though.
But now that I had logged her out , its Badname 8911765 or something to that extent and cant log her back in till I rename her .
Like I and others have stated , I thought Cleavage was the cleanest and totally non offensive I could have made the character...
And if someone supposedly did find it offensive , or some obscure wrestling female took that name in the 80's and looks nothing like my character , I just can not see how it was a TOS Violation in any form at all...
I am still hoping some form of actual game employee would check this out and give me the reasoning behind this and if nothing can be done about it , if other suggestions would work , or cause me further problems down the road...
Well good to hear you have the free rename. However, you likely won't get an official response on the forums. Hit up the Customer Service, submit a ticket, and provide some arguments against the action. It's seriously so mild in nature that it's ridiculous that you'd get badnamed.
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Major Violator
The double standards are the double standards. Saying CRYPTIC and PWE sells ALL THEIR GAMES on female cleavage and Champions has a BREAST slider I reckon its against the rules for female toons NOT to mention their cleavage.
This isnt international law its guidelines for their games. Guidelines they break themselves on an hourly basis. If something is flawed with even the TOS we should help out the devs by pointing the flaws out, thats why the forums are a thing.
They want boobless games they should lead by example then.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
The thing is that the rules are interpreted by humans, and humans can make mistakes or bad judgment calls. I know on the forums that there are sometimes tough calls, even though the rules are clear. Sending an appeal is not unheard of.
I know I don't always make the best decisions, which is why, whenever someone has a problem with something I've done, I urge them to take it up with the guy in charge to review the action. I know I can be wrong, so I'd rather let someone else handle the situation because I don't like to play the "no, I'm right and you're wrong and that's it" card. This is why I asked the guy to send a ticket - the action may have been a bit ham-fisted. The majority here think so, so it's worth exploring.
And yet again , the name in no way , shape , or form violates any policies they have posted . It is neither vulgar or dirty...Breasts which the game itself plainly uses , and cleavage , are both words in everyday conversations that are not found offensive in most , if not all parts of the world in polite civilized societies .
Further , I am not here to actually talk about the actual disciplinary action...There was no private conversation from or contact by anyone on this subject , nor has any real conversation of said issue been restated here at all . I simply received a mail in game . But enough of that...
This post was simply started to try and figure out what I should do next in renaming the character to something similar , retain the joke name status of the characters entire theme , without stepping on some toes...when there are FAR worse names out there and copied characters for them to be worried about...
I mean I could make it a generic I am a badass and shoot stuff name...but it is so much more fun...to have a funny named character that goes in and just destroys stuff and makes the previously mentioned generic badass heroes look pitiful in comparison!
I will definitely have to try and contact costumer service and see what , if any , explanation they offer me...I am not really upset by this , its just like...what the hell? I would like to know why and whats going on...
Just sent in a ticket , so will have to wait and see...
The terms by which they use for marketing is dictated by a different group. While there are certainly double standards, that's how a lot of things are in life.
@demoniod74 It doesn't have to be dirty or vulgar to break the rules.
https://support.perfectworld.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3964/kw/Naming%20policy
I think... there's a term for this.... Wonder Woman syndrome. The Man is trying to hold 'er down.
it seems relevant... <.<
Considering the amount I've seen around called Naked......, and who have been half naked (and thats being generous)
I don't see a problme with Major Cleavage unless she also had no costume. If it was a rock character, it would mean something else.
I have Major Nuisance(force/might), who was going to be called Major Knockers, now I'm glad I didn't.
I made Captain Chat Ban and reported him myself to check.
Also Private criptic, again reported myself to check.
I have Cheap Trick, who has a high/low costume and the comment "IF they are staring at my t*ts, they aren't watching my guns." NO problem, she is using a cheap trock to win.
Smackwell. GM Navi- wasn't joking about the other name, they were warning that he would get a much WORSE punishment if they tried renaming it like that.
Yes I know, I'm logged in on the wrong acct.
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It's a geology term - it means "having good cleavage".
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Question, just a harmless theoretical one. Are you offended by the name Major Cleavage? Are you offended by the nickname Messiah? Would you change these names?
It feels to me that the game has a rather shall we say conservative new employee and thats never a good idea in a super mmo as we know supers all run about almost bust* naked and think they are gods
*Pun intended.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dFuYWIw5A4
Ok I was bored.
*dammit ninjad by Nepht
There used to be a few characters named Major Cleavage running around in the game's first year, one of which belonged to me. I had even submitted a ticket to make sure the name was OK to use and got the green light. The only reason I don't have a character by that name anymore is because I deleted her at some point, not because of some prudish swing of the bad name bat.
Take some time to familiarize yourself with the rules you're blindly defending. Unless cleavage became "vulgar, obscene or defamatory" or somehow became "derogatory towards...gender..." overnight, this is quite clearly a case of a misinterpretation of those rules.
Agreed.
umm more characters.
'Caine, miss you bud. Fly high.
She is in full camo pants , combat boots , and is wearing the Golden Age Top , coloured green , which yes it does show some cleavage...and I made her perfectly normal , except for a rather large chest to go with the name etc.
All my other characters are either monsters , or female , and all of them have an average-smaller chest size , aka the breast slider is at around half or less on all of them .
It was just odd to me to get hit with a TOS Violation on it considering I made and leveled her to 35 like 2 years ago...just started using her again this week during the double Q even to do gravi and alerts .
Was the character's name changed or was the costume made the default generic or both?
Cleavage on character costumes isn't supposed to be a deal breaker, quite a few female costume options incorporate cleavage by design.
Agreed, I don't think anything more needs to be said on this topic. Perhaps the GM should be reported for abusing or not understanding the rule?
Also, does the GM understand that the word cleavage has other definitions? What if the toon was the wielder of a large sword?
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GMs are busy chasing beewbs in names while people still get chat-banned. Resources well spent, my friends, resources well spent 9__9
(Because people are still getting chat banned, right? I need to get back into the game after my head feels better).
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Up until now, she has survived intact. But, I think I'll need to log in and check if she got "violated".
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Thus any name along the idea your considering will almost certainly always be vulnerable because any one who complains about it will have a legitimate complaint.
While it may seem simply amusing to you, to some out there a name like the one you mention can be just as offensive as a name involving **** or child molestation.
Then you have sworded cleavage?
The character existed for more then a year and then one day genericed and givena tos warning point.
You didn't really just try to associate the word "cleavage" with child molestation? Total credibility fail.
1.) There's nothing inherently vulgar or sexual in the word "cleavage". You know there's a power called Cleave. Do you know what the act of Cleaving could be called? "Cleavage".
2.) Do we really need to point out the utter hypocrisy of banning a word like "cleavage" in a game which utilizes and promotes the concept of female's cleavage (yes, I'm referring to breasts this time) so blatantly? Is it possible to walk around Millenium City and not see cleavage, let alone PWE's marketing materials?
3.) The ESRB rating for Champions Online is "T", and it is expected to include "Blood, Fantasy Violence, Suggestive Themes". How can any reasonable person think use of the word Cleavage in a character name violates this standard?
The defense rests.
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And people like those, shouldn't be playing video games. They should be out in the field, building barns.
Ladies! Hide your ankles!. (hmmm, i bet those people find Avenging Ankle very offensive...)
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You'd be absolutely right if every single "Major Cleavage" character was found to be in violation of the rules. At least one that I'm aware of was found to not be a violation by a GM after having reviewed a ticket asking if it was indeed a violation. What happened between then (roughly four years ago) and now that caused the name "Major Cleavage" to start getting classified as a violation? There is a discrepancy and the OP has every right to ask questions about the renaming of his character, especially given how said character was renamed once to "TOS Violation" and then again to the "Badname" format.
Additionally, it's just straight up ridiculous to alow characters to have cleavage, even official characters like Sapphire, but get jumpy when it shows up as part of their name. Slippery slope time: how about we just remove any and all visual options that involve cleavage and nip the entire problem in the bud. That way the only way we can use the word will really only be in regards to cleaving. Sound good, Cryptic? That'll give the GMs less to worry about, eh?
We have a name for those people out there. They're called morons.