Hrmm. What I'm wondering is, do you open up with SR as soon as the alert starts?
A crit hit on that combined with the fact that it does absurd damage will easily throw you ahead of everyone else.
Although, to be fair, as it has been stated many times in this thread, pugs are crap.
Not generally for alphas- I like stealth strike or spamming RT to open up, but I do use it after establishing 8 stacks of concentration and then every time it comes off CD after that.
Grats. I don't know what to tell you except maybe 'massive' is subjective, shrug. Fraps offer still stands.
FRAPS now after the fact wont prove a thing. You came here tried to tell us how to play without looking at yourself first. And you expect us to be cool with that?
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Well, Shadow Strike does do roughly 30k damage...So that's also a way to open up.
Mine isn't optimized since I didn't build for STR and I don't tend to get a high % crit roll on it, but yea it's a pretty big burst. The mandatory cast time is a bit off-putting so I sort of tend to use it on a whim.
FRAPS now after the fact wont prove a thing. You came here tried to tell us how to play without looking at yourself first. And you expect us to be cool with that?
Huh? I wasn't telling anyone how to play, lol. You're pretty defensive and snappy. I expect you to take a thread by a new player on a message board, on the internet, that A.) Doesn't know your game as well as you do, and B.) Has some outside experiences and a perhaps unique perspective to offer. Right about now you're acting like I just pushed your grandmother down a flight of stairs or something. Chill a bit.
Also, the 'prove a thing' comment. I really don't feel like I have anything to prove to you. I think it's odd that you'd assume I think I did. I was just trying to offer some extra insight into my experiences, but you were obviously the wrong person to try and be cordial with. My bad.
inb4 nepht quotes first post to prove that op was telling shield iconned players how to play their toons, yet later realized that he failed to grasp that the roles are meaningless and apologized for his misunderstanding!
edit:typo
also...this is a mostly civilized discussion, and i admire op's ability to read and comprehend...and even show appreciation for the advice given.
also...i've run plenty of alerts where it is almost impossible to pull aggro from repeated shadow strikes.
it's a tough skill to get around....unless the shadow striker is able to throw a threat wipe (impossible on NA AT), but i think that everyone is showing some consideration for others. well done, co community.
inb4 nepht quotes first post to prove that op was telling shield iconned players how to pkay their toons, yet later realized that he failed to grasp that the roles are meaningless and apologized for his misunderstanding!
To be fair, how was I supposed to know that? Good catch though. :biggrin:
Ok I will be a little nicer to you Glop you stated you studied the FF system so you know what your talking about even when you have never used it. You see why a few of us took issue with you.
Hi guys! I have done all my research on the free form role system. I am currently not opting to utilize it- I play a lvl 40 "Night Avenger" ranged DPS Rogue. Based on my research though, I would assume that if one were to enter the Tank (Guardian) role, one should be prepared to fill the responsibilities of said role.
^ That statement was never going to end well and overshadowed any valid point you made. ( and btw you made a few valid points )
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Ok I will be a little nicer to you Glop you stated you studied the FF system so you know what your talking about even when you have never used it. You see why a few of us took issue with you.
^ That statement was never going to end well and overshadowed any valid point you made. ( and btw you made a few valid points )
Look, I don't get paid to play this game. I did research the free form system, probably much more in depth than the average F2P player of a small market game would- something about the role system just didn't stick to me. I did understand that skills could be chosen from any framework barring prerequisites but that it's generally wise to stick to as certain dmg type, framework, etc. to synergize damage types and buffs/debuffs within a single skill path, super stats could be customized, spec trees could be chosen freely. I also read up on the synergies between passives and active offense/defensive skills within a framework, so Bountiful Chi Resurgence works well with Masterful Dodge, using short CD skills interacts well with Molecular Self Assembly, Quarry works well with physical ranged attacks, certain passives specifically buff certain damage types. All this amongst other things.
I think I put in a fair amount of research into a system I don't even have access to just to reach what I considered a formidable plateau of understanding, just for the sake of knowing how it works. If you're going to fault me for not knowing all the ins in outs of a very unconventional system in a game I've been playing for only a couple of months, I think you might want to take a step back. I missed something. It happens. And it's not so much that I missed it that I failed to grasp all the once again very unique-to-this-game intricacies of a facet of the system.
I missed something. It happens. And it's not so much that I missed it that I failed to grasp all the once again very unique-to-this-game intricacies of a facet of the system.
Fair enough , takes some bawls to say you might have missed something . I will admit I was maybe a little to bitchy towards you.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Champions Online will likely never reward you for Combat Mechanics outside of DPS and DPS Mitigation.
If you desire a game with competent game mechanics, Champions Online offers little for you. Enjoy the customization and make pre-made teams that will adhere to your desired playstyle. Asking strangers to follow rules simply won't work, and the governors of your virtual world have thrown all the combat rules out the window.
The aggro mechanics have largely not changed even though the Stats System and Role system largely has. Champions has not and likely WILL not reconcile a combat system with equal reward to sacrifice ratio, and they have largely stopped trying - citing the new powers large imbalance and incongruousness with previous combat system design.
There are things to enjoy in Champions Online, but the developer(s) working on powers and combat design care only about DPS and DPS Mitigation (including Healing) and even those are so extreme they aren't by any means of binary or equal effectiveness.
Blame where blame is due and do not expect change from either players nor the developers.
Mine isn't optimized since I didn't build for STR and I don't tend to get a high % crit roll on it, but yea it's a pretty big burst. The mandatory cast time is a bit off-putting so I sort of tend to use it on a whim.
Shadow Strikes damage is purely based on your level. Doesn't matter if you have Str or crit or not. If it did, my Claws character would be even more insane in it's damage role.
And yes I kite. I'm ranged DPS, that's how you play ranged DPS.
No, that's how you play Ranged Damage.
I prefer to just kill things so fast that they can't get to me before they die.
When I am forced to kite, I do it either by jumping over the enemy or running around in a small circle so he runs back and forth in a small area, or by flying straight up, because my DPS is not more important than theirs.
_________________________________________________ @flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
Shadow Strikes damage is purely based on your level. Doesn't matter if you have Str or crit or not. If it did, my Claws character would be even more insane in it's damage role.
Oh very cool. Did not know that, thanks! It was very OP in the leveling process, one-shot KO'ing bosses, but yeah it definitely failed to scale to that magnitude down the road. Figured it was because I didn't build for STR.
Lemme give you a hint: Taunting people doesn't end arguments. Admitting you were wrong however, will.
Not really taunting, and wasn't really wrong. And I really don't have the patience for an 18 page conversation about something this menial. Half this thread is people pointing out that the game itself is at fault for misleading its players into presuming that it works like every other MMO on the face of the planet, and I'm somehow supposed to stand corrected for assuming that a boilerplate, basic mechanic that's advertised within the game is in place. Sure, I was wrong about it, but no one looking at this from a non-fanatical perspective would fault me for it.
How broad is your experience with MMOs? There's actually some nuance with 'the holy trinity' and games vary a lot on how they engage with these concepts.
But you're definitely right that Cryptic's role thing is misleading in the extreme.
The worst mistake was in not asking a more neutrally-worded 'hey, what's going on?', but given some of the touchy nutjobs that frequent this forum, it's hardly the most unreasonable posts I've seen.
Campaign: The Fenwick Cycle NWS-DKR9GB7KH
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
Not really taunting, and wasn't really wrong. And I really don't have the patience for an 18 page conversation about something this menial. Half this thread is people pointing out that the game itself is at fault for misleading its players into presuming that it works like every other MMO on the face of the planet, and I'm somehow supposed to stand corrected for assuming that a boilerplate, basic mechanic that's advertised within the game is in place. Sure, I was wrong about it, but no one looking at this from a non-fanatical perspective would fault me for it.
See, that wasn't so hard.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
Nobody wants to tank because there is no healers. Or at the very least competent DPS that would hurry the **** up and kill things before the tank folds. What you want the tank to die over and over for your sake? For freeform tanks they could probably carry your **** but an archetype tank is going to need healers or at least a competent off-tank that would take some of the hits or competent dpsers to eliminate the threat fast. Archetype tanks usually lack in the self-healing department so they're dependent on a good team. And with a make shift PUG team in alerts they're not going to get nothing but scrubs that are leeching.
If you want a tank you make a tank and stop telling others to do it for you.
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A crit hit on that combined with the fact that it does absurd damage will easily throw you ahead of everyone else.
Although, to be fair, as it has been stated many times in this thread, pugs are crap.
Deliciously nutritious!
Grats. I don't know what to tell you except maybe 'massive' is subjective, shrug. Fraps offer still stands.
Not generally for alphas- I like stealth strike or spamming RT to open up, but I do use it after establishing 8 stacks of concentration and then every time it comes off CD after that.
Deliciously nutritious!
FRAPS now after the fact wont prove a thing. You came here tried to tell us how to play without looking at yourself first. And you expect us to be cool with that?
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Mine isn't optimized since I didn't build for STR and I don't tend to get a high % crit roll on it, but yea it's a pretty big burst. The mandatory cast time is a bit off-putting so I sort of tend to use it on a whim.
Huh? I wasn't telling anyone how to play, lol. You're pretty defensive and snappy. I expect you to take a thread by a new player on a message board, on the internet, that A.) Doesn't know your game as well as you do, and B.) Has some outside experiences and a perhaps unique perspective to offer. Right about now you're acting like I just pushed your grandmother down a flight of stairs or something. Chill a bit.
Also, the 'prove a thing' comment. I really don't feel like I have anything to prove to you. I think it's odd that you'd assume I think I did. I was just trying to offer some extra insight into my experiences, but you were obviously the wrong person to try and be cordial with. My bad.
edit:typo
also...this is a mostly civilized discussion, and i admire op's ability to read and comprehend...and even show appreciation for the advice given.
also...i've run plenty of alerts where it is almost impossible to pull aggro from repeated shadow strikes.
it's a tough skill to get around....unless the shadow striker is able to throw a threat wipe (impossible on NA AT), but i think that everyone is showing some consideration for others. well done, co community.
To be fair, how was I supposed to know that? Good catch though. :biggrin:
Batman. Superman won't always be around to hold the bad guys back... but you're Batman, so you'll be fine, just Batman harder and Mage less.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
What if Batman likes Maging?
^ That statement was never going to end well and overshadowed any valid point you made. ( and btw you made a few valid points )
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Then he's gonna have to go ahead and enroll in Hogwarts, cause Batman don't know no magin'.
I get the feeling you would have been a lot happier as a Marksman.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
Look, I don't get paid to play this game. I did research the free form system, probably much more in depth than the average F2P player of a small market game would- something about the role system just didn't stick to me. I did understand that skills could be chosen from any framework barring prerequisites but that it's generally wise to stick to as certain dmg type, framework, etc. to synergize damage types and buffs/debuffs within a single skill path, super stats could be customized, spec trees could be chosen freely. I also read up on the synergies between passives and active offense/defensive skills within a framework, so Bountiful Chi Resurgence works well with Masterful Dodge, using short CD skills interacts well with Molecular Self Assembly, Quarry works well with physical ranged attacks, certain passives specifically buff certain damage types. All this amongst other things.
I think I put in a fair amount of research into a system I don't even have access to just to reach what I considered a formidable plateau of understanding, just for the sake of knowing how it works. If you're going to fault me for not knowing all the ins in outs of a very unconventional system in a game I've been playing for only a couple of months, I think you might want to take a step back. I missed something. It happens. And it's not so much that I missed it that I failed to grasp all the once again very unique-to-this-game intricacies of a facet of the system.
But I don't play Hunters. I play Rogues.
Fair enough , takes some bawls to say you might have missed something . I will admit I was maybe a little to bitchy towards you.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
(which wipes all aggro and makes everyone a self-contained trinity of awesome.)
Africa is a small continent relative to Jupiter... which isn't a continent.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
Champions Online will likely never reward you for Combat Mechanics outside of DPS and DPS Mitigation.
If you desire a game with competent game mechanics, Champions Online offers little for you. Enjoy the customization and make pre-made teams that will adhere to your desired playstyle. Asking strangers to follow rules simply won't work, and the governors of your virtual world have thrown all the combat rules out the window.
The aggro mechanics have largely not changed even though the Stats System and Role system largely has. Champions has not and likely WILL not reconcile a combat system with equal reward to sacrifice ratio, and they have largely stopped trying - citing the new powers large imbalance and incongruousness with previous combat system design.
There are things to enjoy in Champions Online, but the developer(s) working on powers and combat design care only about DPS and DPS Mitigation (including Healing) and even those are so extreme they aren't by any means of binary or equal effectiveness.
Blame where blame is due and do not expect change from either players nor the developers.
You do know by saying the word Jupiter, Moni if she sees this will post sailor Moon pics U_U
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
They all thought I was out of the game....But I'm holding all the lockboxes now..
I'll......FOAM FINGER YOUR BACK!
Shadow Strikes damage is purely based on your level. Doesn't matter if you have Str or crit or not. If it did, my Claws character would be even more insane in it's damage role.
Deliciously nutritious!
No, that's how you play Ranged Damage.
I prefer to just kill things so fast that they can't get to me before they die.
When I am forced to kite, I do it either by jumping over the enemy or running around in a small circle so he runs back and forth in a small area, or by flying straight up, because my DPS is not more important than theirs.
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
It isn't the melee characters' job to maintain aggro.
Melee Damage != Tank
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
Are you mad cause you missed the group hug? This fight is over now, but I can totally give you a consolation high five!
Oh very cool. Did not know that, thanks! It was very OP in the leveling process, one-shot KO'ing bosses, but yeah it definitely failed to scale to that magnitude down the road. Figured it was because I didn't build for STR.
Lemme give you a hint: Taunting people doesn't end arguments. Admitting you were wrong however, will.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
I thought he said he didn't use Taunts?
@flamingbunnyman in game. Formerly @Roderick in City of Heroes.
Not really taunting, and wasn't really wrong. And I really don't have the patience for an 18 page conversation about something this menial. Half this thread is people pointing out that the game itself is at fault for misleading its players into presuming that it works like every other MMO on the face of the planet, and I'm somehow supposed to stand corrected for assuming that a boilerplate, basic mechanic that's advertised within the game is in place. Sure, I was wrong about it, but no one looking at this from a non-fanatical perspective would fault me for it.
But you're definitely right that Cryptic's role thing is misleading in the extreme.
The worst mistake was in not asking a more neutrally-worded 'hey, what's going on?', but given some of the touchy nutjobs that frequent this forum, it's hardly the most unreasonable posts I've seen.
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
See, that wasn't so hard.
Champions Online: Be the hero you wish you could be in a better game.
If you want a tank you make a tank and stop telling others to do it for you.