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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLqYT9CSYZAFrom 0 to whatever, how excited are you for Cryptic's new game?
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Glad to see CO's limited time sales moneh was put to develop a product of such high quality
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Show them fighting a recognisable raid boss, like Emrakul, Progenitus or the Leviathan.
It's a trailer! It's supposed to not pull any punches and show all the "Oooooooh"s and "Aaaaaaah"s to hook people in.
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In case that wasn't clear enough. Nope not interested! Hard Pass!
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e: kind of neat cryptic's attempting some not-MMOish stuff for once. That at least's adaptation to the changing games market a little bit and won't be another massive game they have to constantly update and control an intermingling playerbase over or worry about an angry fanboy DDOSing them thereby killing the games instantly.
Gotta copy the obnoxious Raid: Shadow Legends name as well by including the name LEGENDS
-50 Looks Bad Jim! It looks like a cheap Mobile Game
and I have no interest in other game than CO
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Yeah all the more reason to ignore this game. Not only for the card mechanics, but also for the damned built into the concept loot boxes...
Huh... how are they going to get around the anti-loot box laws? technically a card pack is a loot box...
Yes! Thank you! At first my thought was that it looked like a cheap Diablo knock off, but that didn't quite cut it. It looks like those fake ads you get on Facebook for mobile games that when you download them look nothing like the ad.
if i recall from like...third or fourth-paw info about this game, the character you play in it is a planeswalker, so...are there bestial planeswalker cards in the actual game? (i know almost nothing about MTG)
if there are...probably gonna be here too - if not at launch, then at some point down the road
Then some minor ones
- Ob Nixilis
-Ugin the Spirit Dragon
- Angrath the Minotaur Pirate
- Arlinn
0:03 is that the symbol of the Tolarian academy?
0:15 looks like it might be Innistrad or Ravnica.
0:21 which was the plane with the dino-riders?
0:30 This is Zendikar. It even has a Hedron in the background!
0:40 probably Shiv. Hmm... where's the dragon hiding? We have the goblins and trolls. LOL! You seem to not understand the point. You're not gonna PLAY as any of those. If you see Liliana or Elspeth, or.... well ANY named character from the CCG, they're going to be an NPC. Kinda like Defender or Dr. Silverback.. etc...
Also Jace isn't a water elemental. Literally none of the cards associated with him even have water in the art. His specialty is giving his enemies amnesia. Um...... this game is about as much like Diablo as it is like Shadow of Mordor... Unless you think that literally all fantasy action games are Diablo clones.... which would be weird since Diablo isn't even the first one.
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I mean, that's standard Magic trailer. Not saying it doesn't look awesome, Magic trailers are all great at hyping (for example here's the War of the Spark expansion trailer)
The thing is you then see the gameplay trailer of Magic Legends and...it looks nowhere as interesting as the cinematic.
Cool artistic trailer is neat when advertising a card game because you know it won't look like that when you are playing cards (unless you trippin), but when advertising a videogame it makes the flaws and shortcomings of the gameplay stand out even more.
And I know Jace is not a water elemental, but he is mostly associated with Island land/color, so it's what it ends up coming across from that trailer.
To me it looks the opposite actually. Like "ok, we got our Diablo clone finished, now let's find an IP to put on top of it".
Like the scenery shown in the trailer is so generic and dull. Magic's scenery is mostly realistic, but it also has some really trippy and cool looking planes
https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=191389
https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=370785
https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=197254 <wide open featureless plains with ordinary clouds on the horizon... of course the horizon goes DOWN, but this one is apparently Serra's realm.
https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=249721 <so pretty, but it's generic forest #786
It's a bit premature to say whether the boring terrain choices will be the norm in this game or not. Well... Sounds like MtG deck building is used to fill your active power bar. The video in the OP showed people with 4 skill buttons as they ran around killing things. Best guess: the game replaces each skill you use from a random "deck" of skills as you use it. If it's like the card game this can be as boring as a deck of 40 different direct damage spells or something that uses arcane combos that you need an entire essay to explain. This seems to suggest that in-game grinding, mission rewards, etc will be used to get better spells for your deck. Is it a swords and sorcery action game? apparently so. That's a REALLY big genre though. It's like the difference between a bull's eye, and the side of a barn.
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It really sounds like you’ve got your eyes shut and your fingers in your ears if that’s your argument for this game not looking like Diablo. This was my first impression of it coming into it without any previous knowledge of the game before watching the trailer. After watching the trailer I thought “it’s like Diablo but a guy floats.” No amount of your argument can change my first impression. That’s why I think if the trailer was trying to convey anything new or exciting, it failed.
Also it’s not just “a sword and sorcery action game” that made me think Diablo. When I first saw Skyrim I didn’t think Diablo. When I saw Neverwinter I didn’t think Diablo. When I saw Breath of the Wild I didn’t think Diablo. When I saw Torchlight, yep, Diablo. But it’s visually distinct from all the other generic fantasy stuff.
It might turn out that this game is real innovative and nothing at all like Diablo other than the fantasy setting and the surface gameplay and the POV, but if that’s the case, the trailer failed to show any of that.
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> There's approximately a zillion games where you run around killing a bunch of stuff, so this game being one of them is not per se a problem. However, the trailer did fail to show off anything innovative, so whether or not the game actually has something extra worth bothering with, the trailer is a bit of a fail.
Right, and I actually like those games. I’m a big fan of Diablo and the various clones. The letdown with this trailer for me is that it didn’t really show me much that Diablo doesn’t already do. I’ll play it if there’s something cool about it but the IP paint job alone isn’t enough to get me to play.
I have to agree that the trailer is boring though. It has a few bits with some nice environments to look at, but the actual combat parts were mowing down waves of monsters. I think part of the problem is how short it is. It skips around so fast you have to pause it every second or two to take in what's happening:
0:03 Volcano(probably Shiv)
0:05 I think this might be Tolaria and the magical academy at Tolaria?
0:06 Some sort of desecrated shrine? That sun logo with 4 light rays is something I KNOW I've seen before but can't remember where.
0:07 this feels like it was built by goblins or orcs...
0:08 swamp with moss hanging from trees.
0:12 Hmm rocky plain... fighting the Cabal. Sounds like it's Dominaria.
0:14 swampy area, still fighting the Cabal thoguh.
0:16 hhmmm this scene has an abjective that seems story based. Also the character in question seems to have both white(to include "Heavenly Assault", "Divine Wrath" and a ummon Griffin) and blue(Icicle, magnetic pulse, Psionic shatter, etc...) spells. And this is definitely a console UI.
0:17 "Regroup with Lyra Dawnbringer" https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=442914 She's probably the angel you see in the left side of the screen at 0:13 Also Lyra is totally from Dominaria.
0:19 this is the shrine we saw at 0:06. Apparently it's a shrine of Serra that was corrupted by the Cabal necromancers. And the boss is https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=442983 Not sure about the symbols though... Hmm... Might be markers for the objective "Stand in the light of Serra to cleanse the statue"
0:26 "Find and protect Danitha Capaschen" https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=442900
0:28 You can see at the bottom mana bars for white AND blue mana!
0:32 this is the pyro/geomancer her mana bar is solid red. OOH! on her screen I can see symbols on spells to denote whether they're a creature summon(Emberlings, Earth Elemental) or direct damage ability(Slag Strike, Elemental Shatter)
0:33 and now the players are apparently hunting https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=442999 The placename "Seven Sisters" seems to be new though.
0:34 haha, now they have to find Suee https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=443034
0:38 This is a GREEN character, seems to be a biomancer(Nourish)/beastmaster(Sporecap Spider)
Most of the video is a Blue/white mage teamed with a red leaning pyro/geomancer (with a green character in a few scenes) doing a set of story quests fighting the black aligned Cabal. So it's actually a very small part of the game since it's apparently either a single mission or a set of related missions. The webite lists Benalia and Shiv(both are part of Dominaria) as areas that are in the game and most of the video was seemingly set in Benalia with a few parts in Shiv and one brief look at what might have been Tolaria.
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Apparently I’m not the only one to have this impression of it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=magic+legends+diablo&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
And before you say that that search is biased because of the keywords I used, here’s a plain search. Diablo references all over it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=magic+legends&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
I don’t think “that’s what you’re familiar with” holds up.
"Perfect World and its subsidiary Cryptic Studios—known for Neverwinter, Star Trek Online, and City of Heroes—are developing a Magic"
It's nice to be taken into account :^)
I looked through the first two pages of hits and found 2 comparing it to Diablo(but in broad strokes) while also finding comparisons to Core Punk(I don't even know what that is), Destiny, and WoW.
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huh. okay, that makes me a bit more interested.
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My first impression was also diablo clone, due to the camera perspective, the apparent movement mechanics, and the way the attacks appear to be controlled and the way they effect enemies. They could have been holding laser pistols and be fighting aliens and I would have gotten the same impression (and now I want an Xcom diablo clone). "Diablo clone" is a set of UI elements and game mechanics, not art. If Diablo didn't create the genre ( I forget if it did ) it certainly brought it to prominence, and that's what happens. The disappointing part here is that the game, by that trailer, doesn't appear to be doing anything Diablo 2 wasn't doing two decades ago, other than the "your powers are a deck" thing.
Of course that doesn't mean it'll fail or anything. Path of Exile is even more of a straight diablo clone and it's very successful. Though that does mean we need to hope even more that Cryptic's Magic game strays further from the formula, because we already have Path of Exile, and Cryptic won't be able to compete with it if it's just the same thing but less developed.
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> Whether it's similar is not the question. The question was how many people think it looks like a "clone" of Diablo.
Why does that matter? It’s obvious people are comparing the games. The only reason why Hey would donso is because the game just plain looks like it. And again if there’s some awesome thing that separates the game from Diablo, which I hope there is, he trailer utterly failed to show it. The trailer showed Diablo with a gamepad UI.
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> Of course that doesn't mean it'll fail or anything. Path of Exile is even more of a straight diablo clone and it's very successful. Though that does mean we need to hope even more that Cryptic's Magic game strays further from the formula, because we already have Path of Exile, and Cryptic won't be able to compete with it if it's just the same thing but less developed.
I agree with all of this.
Given that it's only actually around 30-40 seconds, it really doesn't have much room to show us much. It does however show that the people doing the art made it look like Dominaria and even made the NPC characters look like the card art from the card game. Someone on Reddit posted a pic comparing the card art of Josu Vess with the in-game character and it's nearly identical. It does also show the quest structure which is similar to the way STO, NW and CO do it. But yeah, it's a tiny teaser of a game in alpha, there's not gonna be much to go on.
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(not that I see any particular *wow* stuff in it, but at least it gives a bit more informed speculation).
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> Ok... but using that definition is akin to calling all FPS games "Call of Duty clones". It's so broad that it makes calling it a "clone" meaningless.
I feel like you’re being purposely obtuse. Even on a surface level, comparing CoD to Doom, Halo, Hexen, Unreal Torunament, Goldeneye, Borderlands, I can tell you several differences just from a short clip as to how these games are all different. Now if you wanna compare CoD to something like Medal of Honor, sure you’re not going to be able to tell them apart at a glance. But that hardly covers “all FPS games”.
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Looks like a really bland Diablo clone... Upset they announced it as an MMO and then gave us an ARPG..."
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> So, there's somewhat more informative videos out there.
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> (not that I see any particular *wow* stuff in it, but at least it gives a bit more informed speculation).
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