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  • jaazaniah1jaazaniah1 Posts: 3,237 Arc User
    Just wondering. If the circles are being tinkered with, any chance that CoEW will see a slight boost?
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  • magpieuk2014magpieuk2014 Posts: 1,227 Arc User
    edited February 13
    Further testing on the Midnight AT:

    Madness Aura's Energy cost is different on the Midnight AT than it is on my Freeform character. It's lower on the AT (and much more useable as a result).

    Overall it's a good DPS, does excellent damage: but lacks a little survivability even with all those incremental heals and ways to boost them. Circle of Ebon Wrath feels a bit unnecessary when you can hit for 8K crits from Ebon Ruin at the same time as having Ebon Void and Madness Aura going! Perhaps a stronger heal of some kind instead? Something which consumes Fear and heals for a set amount on each affected enemy might be good.
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  • aiqaaiqa Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    edited February 13
    nbkxs wrote: »
    Form of the tiger is broken, it's ICD isn't working.

    That is a big issue with this new ultimate. It's a very OP ultimate (30% base damage bonus is insane), that is sort of balanced by removing all form stacks and setting AD/AO on full cooldowns. But if you can then get those all back up in 10 seconds that half of that disadvantage is hardly doing anything.

    I'd prefer is the base damage scaled on enrage stacks too, the game could do with pushing people away from melee dex stacking builds a bit.
  • lightsaucelightsauce Posts: 19 Arc User
    Bug
    Shadow Manifestation scale on Constitution instead of Presence
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  • aiqaaiqa Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    Bug:
    Spirit Reverb says it gives 31 energy in my tooltip, but I am seeing 15 energy ticks.
  • alexandrafreyaalexandrafreya Posts: 90 Arc User
    Suggestion:
    I think lowering the cooldown on Feral Rage by half and lower the base damage to 5/10/15% would make the power far more useful, at the moment it looks like a solid Damage check power but with such a long cooldown it'll be off cooldown on most actual checks. With such changes I think it might also be a good idea to lower the stack lost afterward to only 5, Otherwise You'd be loosing all stacks a lot more often.


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  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 9,812 Arc User
    edited February 13
    lightsauce wrote: »
    Bug
    Shadow Manifestation scale on Constitution instead of Presence
    It actually seems to be scaling w/ Recovery atm, as far as I can tell.
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    First, a suggestion related to Mental States: I think that we should add Regret (from Shadow of Doubt) to the list of Mental States. Seems a bit weird that the other TP debuffs and Fear are included, but Regret isn't (it can't proc the forms that use Mental States atm).

    Psychotic Break now applies Bleed? I'm unsure if this is intended (not a listed change), but if it is..
    Bug: Shadow Shroud's Terrifying Visage adv still states that the Psychotic Break deals Dimensional dmg over time, instead of the new Bleed effect.
    (the bleed does proc stuff like FotS and AotB, for what its worth)
    (and Detect, from the new adv, does seem to count as an Enchantment as listed, since it can proc Spellcaster)

    Ebon Ruin's Darkness Feast adv could probably clarify that it only doubles the Shadowfeast heal if it is the attack that procs it (tooltip is a bit vague here imo).
    (also kinda wished Defile's energy cost got reduced instead of ERuin's energy scaling up to match Defile's, but I guess they're pretty comparable nukes for each powerset now)

    Speaking of energy costs, I think that Shadow Eruption's energy costs should be lowered a bit. Even if it does do decent burst dmg, its cost is higher than some Ults atm.
    Bug?: Shadow Eruption's Consume Fear adv doesn't seem to 'consume' Fear on any target (ie. end the debuff early, one would assume), though the Rupture dmg still registers on each.

    Bug: Shadow Embrace's Draining Shadows heal adv doesn't seem to take the number of targets hit into account. (seems only able to proc once every dmg tick, regardless of target number)
    (on the flip side, SBlast's Back to the Darkness adv does seem to scale w/ the number of shadows consumed)

    Also, is it intended that Shadow Embrace has an NttG adv? Just curious; I know its had it in the past, but it seems like an odd adv for an attack like that to have.

    As mentioned before, it looks like Shadow Manifestation's descriptions are saying its a melee toggle, though this appears to just be a tooltip error as it does seem to grant a higher bonus dmg to ranged than to melee atm.

    Aqia just touched on this, but- Bug: Spirit Reverberation seems to only be giving its base 15 energy per tick, regardless of the tooltip value or its scaling.

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    That's all from me for now. Will try to check on some of the other powers & changes later.
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  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 9,812 Arc User
    Also, just realized that Shadow Eruption can't proc Shadow Manifestation, regardless of advs taken (since Devoid is a Curse). With its current high cost, it would be nice if there was a way it could proc the new form for the set.
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  • spordeliaspordelia Posts: 259 Arc User
    re: TELEKINESIS
    Hm, don’t get me wrong, this power’s been a staple for my main since like 2009/10 when I first started playing (and everyone’s like: but… WHY??? lol) so, I’m thankful it’s getting a review, it could definitely use some love! However:

    - This actually feels/ plays a lot… clunkier, I guess (maybe it’s the CD?), and not nearly as fun or dynamic as its former version (even with all its flaws). Not feeling the visuals, either. :(


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    A telekinetic makes use of their environment to fling stuff at enemies, that’s roughly the idea, yes? Now: ideally, a player with this power should be able to lift every object in every map, but when that’s not feasible (and instead of spawning objects out of thin air) – why not use THEM (your foes) as objects, throw them around like ragdolls. Up, down, at one another... go crazy!

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    SUGGESTION:
    - If no objects are thrown, Knocks Up primary target (something like Force Snap’s effect would actually look pretty cool, IMO. Stun, Disorient… everything else, as applicable. Higher-ranking enemies receive base/direct damage instead (telekinetic “blast/grip/whatever”).


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    (Bonus:“Poltergeist” (2 pt Adv): Lifts/throws up to 5 enemies (X radius); or throws up to 5 objects.)

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    Alternatively: Taking objects out of the equation entirely; instead TK-rip chunks of rock from the ground to hurl at enemies – bonus points if using TK Maelstrom’s (R.I.P) old FX – y’know, if it’s something that must be done and it's done nicely, I’d prefer this over what’s currently on PTS.
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  • johnystelar1johnystelar1 Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited February 13
    Suggestion:
    Add a 2 point advantage to "Feral Rage" that removes all other effects but keeps the damage boost, and (maybe) the small heal while it's active, then this advantage either shortens or removes cooldowns that it puts on Active Defenses and/or Active offenses, and shortens the cooldown on the ultimate to 1 min and so instead of 2.
    and if possible this advantge would give the same boost to the damage as rank 3 does. if ranking it affects it.


    But I would still settle for rank 2 tbh, just would be very nice, this power looks amazing.
  • lezard21lezard21 Posts: 1,354 Arc User
    Suggestion:
    Add a 2 point advantage to "Feral Rage" that removes all other effects but keeps the damage boost, and (maybe) the small heal while it's active, then this advantage either shortens or removes cooldowns that it puts on Active Defenses and/or Active offenses, and shortens the cooldown on the ultimate to 1 min and so instead of 2.
    and if possible this advantge would give the same boost to the damage as rank 3 does. if ranking it affects it.


    But I would still settle for rank 2 tbh, just would be very nice, this power looks amazing.

    Wat :v
    In what way do you consider this balanced at all?​​
  • redcastle56redcastle56 Posts: 43 Arc User
    Are the powers on the Become Chaos Daemon ( and I guess the Become Ghost) going to be modified to better work with the darkness changes?
  • zamuelpwezamuelpwe Posts: 665 Arc User
    Bug
    Character select
    On the outfit for The Midnight AT, the male is using an Anubis jackal head while the female is not. Do not know if this is due to the defaults/unlocks or that head was simply not given to the female outfit.
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  • beerbanebeerbane Posts: 197 Arc User
    lezard21 wrote: »
    BTW since Darkness is getting a pass, please take a look at Endbringer's Grasp​​

    Seconding this. Such a cool looking power that it deserves commensurately satisfying functionality.

    Also, thank you for adding another damage aura power. I've loved those in other games and I'm excited to see what people do with more options.
  • toooldforthistoooldforthis Posts: 117 Arc User
    Removed Dragon Rush from these powers and moved them to an advantage.

    While it was stated in the past that we would only adjust these powers once their framework review had come around, due to the Dragon Rush effect causing balance issues we are choosing to move the effect to an advantage now.

    Given most of the people (outside of PvP) who are doing silly things with them are simply going to move to COAP and lose 200 dps by dropping nanites or such, whatever. It's your game.

    However, since you're doing this without framework adjustment the ATs affected by this should be given complimentary respecs. Night Avenger in particular gets around some of the worst energy management in the game via Dragon's Rush, and it seems a bit unfair that they get to take it on the chin here when they're neither the problem nor do most of the people playing ATs tend to have a bunch of respecs and/or Gs lying around.
    Dark Transfusion

    New Advantage (2): Increases base healing for your next direct heal, but makes you immune to heals briefly.

    This is both pointless on a now-useless skill (I've seen DT used a grand total of once via parsing in the last six months, and I'd take a wager that what was always a rare power is now one of the least chosen skills in the game) and implies a surprising lack of understanding.

    Properly built healers almost never face energy issues both because of the role bonus and the true spammers don't because they're forced to either take REC or END and/or get around it by taking AOPM. DT's main advantage - that of suddenly having the equivalent of 500 or so REC - is essentially worthless to them, and losing self healing and 2500 hps over the 15 seconds means it rules out almost any use to begin with for that class.

    But when you look at the advantage proper, its even stupider. A whopping 20% increase for a single heal. Yippee! Even if you're going to run this on a non-healer build that might theoretically benefit, you're better off just buying a cheap set of gloves, spending 1g on a rank III Sent Brooch, putting them on a heal gear tab, and when it's required that you drop a heal you can pop over to the tab and get better than that 20% all the time.

    Where this would get far more interesting is if it (and blood sacrifice) were reverted back to the intent of the power to begin with - a crazy way to max out the stack with significant risk if you do. The original application of the advantage (200% damage) is both worth restoring and a better place to start. Instead of 20% for a single heal, let's say 200% healing of others, or essentially a full 8 stack of compassion with a good PRE healer during the entire duration of the power makes a lot more sense. Then you'd get into a bunch of fun risk/reward arguments, including literally pouring your lifebar out in inquity spam to keep someone alive at the very end of a fight while selfless doesn't keep up since it's down 90%, or if a crit heal build could do some amazing things with 10k+ spike click heals, or if this could be used by non-healing builds to spend 15 seconds acting as a healer while putting themselves at significant risk in the process.

    Doubt anything that fun will come to pass, of course.
  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 6,396 Arc User
    Ebon Rift with Vengeful Shadows should pull enemies into reach of Vengeful Shadows, instead of stopping the pull at the edge of the rift area.
    Ebon Rift is in general a problematic power in the game as it's currently played, because it's a non-tracking slow maintain so it has inadequate damage output vs bosses and is too slow to be practical to use on chaff. Consider changing it to a fire and forget power similar to Shattering Rain (Oubliette uses what appears to be ebon rift graphics, and there it's clearly a fire and forget power).

    New Ebon Ruin is 'generic blast power #xxxxx'. I understand that all of the special mechanics it's had before haven't worked very well, but it seems a shame to make it a pure damage effect.

    Dark Transfusion needs a rethink. Most builds don't need occasional bursts of energy, they need continual energy, and dark transfusion isn't actually that much energy on most builds. Consider changing what it does from providing energy to a more direct benefit.
  • kaizerinkaizerin Posts: 2,179 Cryptic Developer

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  • lezard21lezard21 Posts: 1,354 Arc User
    Loving the new SFX for Dimensional Collapse.
    Also really like the heartbeat SFX on Feral Rage, though I wish you could hear it from a greater distance.

    BUG?
    Feral Rage
    Is using Athletic/Acrobatics animation while on the Beast stance. This results in you doing a backflip while jumping backwards which looks a bit out of place


    BUG
    Energy Step
    TP unlock is called Energy Explosion in the Power selection menu
    The VFX only shows on your side. Other people see you as if using Arcane Flight
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  • violetnychusvioletnychus Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited February 14
    Please fix Ebon Rift!

    It has a great animation but it is an utterly terrible power. Every time the dark set gets a review my expectation of a fix is met with nothing, or apparently, a nerf this cycle.

    Unfortunately Soul Vortex, which was essentially what Rift needed, was created as a new power. Soul Vortex outperforms it for utility and virtually everything else outperforms it offensively. It is bad for both.

    There are numerous good assets currently locked in bad powers - perhaps, if Cryptic's calculations value these abilities so differently than the playerbase, an efficient solution would be reused animations with slight differences in alternative powers.

    I just want a black hole or void power that is not terrible.

    Endbringer's Grasp needs better stats too.
  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 6,396 Arc User
    edited February 14
    Endbringer's Grasp needs better stats too.
    That might cause people to use it, which would be bad because it's hideous and blinding (other powers are ugly but don't block your vision. Related to this, make mega-destroid stomp invisible).
  • lezard21lezard21 Posts: 1,354 Arc User
    Endbringer's Grasp needs better stats too.
    That might cause people to use it, which would be bad because it's hideous and blinding (other powers are ugly but don't block your vision. Related to this, make mega-destroid stomp invisible).

    Yeah and just in case nerf growth again o3o​​
  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 6,396 Arc User
    lezard21 wrote: »
    Yeah and just in case nerf growth again o3o​​
    If growth didn't apply to wings and tails it would be less oppressive, that's a good idea.
  • salmialmisalmialmi Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited February 14
    Dimensional collapse is still way to stingy at 11 seconds cd considering ebon ruins inbuilt delay after casting, not to mention that it becomes completely unviable on encounters like dino where AOE's can come in at any second.
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 9,812 Arc User
    edited February 14
    Minor typo: there's an extra period after 'bleeding' on Shadow Shroud's Terrifying Vision description. Another typo in Shadow Blast's Devoid adv where a comma is missing after 'Ebon Rift' in the yellow text.

    Bug: The AoE Devoid application doesn't seem to work w/ Ebon Rift when fully charging Shadow Blast w/ the Devoid adv. (Dimensional Collapse's interaction seems to work fine)

    Bug?: The healing rune created by Soul Vortex says that it counts as an Enchantment, but it doesn't seem to be able to proc Spellcaster. (some other healing runes have this issue too, like Condemn's Dark Rune and Expulse not procing either Spellcaster or Conjuring, though Pillar of Poz and Pyre's Burning Sun do; I don't have it on the PTS yet, but Bestial's Moonstruck could also be checked here)

    Bug: Madness Aura doesn't seem to apply Devoid to affected targets when objects explode. (also may want to make it more clear in the tooltip on what condition the Devoid applies, since the power also has the passive Fear aura)

    Bug: Bite's heal (despite now scaling w/ Bleed stacks) does not seem to be counted properly as a life-drain effect atm, since Dark Transfusion's heal penalty still applies to it while its up.

    Suggestion: If its allowed for balance, it may be nice to allow Dimensional Collapse's DoT to stack from the same source, since the cd can be quite shorter than the DoT's full duration.

    Suggestion: assuming it doesn't get a boost w/ ranks now, a 10% chance to apply Fear is imo a bit low for Soul Vortex's 2-pt Fear Machine adv, since the old Soul Vortex started at 15%, and you could boost the chance by 10% per normal rank, and cause the power only ticks every 1 sec.

    Minor suggestion: could be worth clarifying that the extra dmg Ebon Rift's Vengeful Shadows does to knock-immune targets is per dmg tick.
    Minor suggestion: could also be nice to mention Bane as the debuff that applies random effects in their adv's basic descriptions (since their adv names are different- Chaos Magic, Event Horizon, Chaos! Chaos!, etc).
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    It seems like the scaling on Shadow Manifest and SReverb were fixed too, so cool stuff. Darkness has always had some interesting 2ndary effects and options w/ its powers, and it seems the revamp is expanding that (kinda makes things a PITA to test though, rofl). Also find it kinda funny that you can get the added threat adv and the threat wipe adv on Feral Rage at the same time :x
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  • kaizerinkaizerin Posts: 2,179 Cryptic Developer
    flowcyto wrote: »
    Bug: Madness Aura doesn't seem to apply Devoid to affected targets when objects explode. (also may want to make it more clear in the tooltip on what condition the Devoid applies, since the power also has the passive Fear aura)

    Can't repro this one. This only has a 15% chance of occurring per tick of the power, not if a object happens to explode due to another object being thrown. It's a light purple cloud fx.​​
  • flowcytoflowcyto Posts: 9,812 Arc User
    edited February 14
    kaizerin wrote: »
    flowcyto wrote: »
    Bug: Madness Aura doesn't seem to apply Devoid to affected targets when objects explode. (also may want to make it more clear in the tooltip on what condition the Devoid applies, since the power also has the passive Fear aura)
    Can't repro this one. This only has a 15% chance of occurring per tick of the power, not if a object happens to explode due to another object being thrown. It's a light purple cloud fx.​​
    Hm, I guess I was just having a run of bad luck before w/ the tests, but I did just see Devoid proc on a Regen dummy when nearby objects exploded on two diff activations. So it does seem to be working after all; thanks for the clarification and follow-up.
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  • poptartmaniac#8493 poptartmaniac Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited February 14
    Suggestion

    Give Ebon Ruin it's DoT effect back.
    Considering this is the only real good charge spike in the set, I think the dot would help it keep up with it's rivals, like force's force cascade which is aoe even. defile. chi fist which does considerable damage and places it's own dot, etc.
    It would also make the power feel more unique and less like a bleh, generic blast thing.
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  • magpieuk2014magpieuk2014 Posts: 1,227 Arc User
    edited February 14
    Bug
    Ebon Rift - everywhere
    Damage lowered by 20% on PTS compared to live


    Bug
    Madness Aura - Energy Display incorrect
    Level 40 AT shows 63/21 , level 30 Freeform shows 72/24


    Suggestion
    Dimensional Collapse
    Increase Alpha damage and reduce DOT - this set already has several powerful DOT attacks in Ebon Rift and Soul Vortex, a more bomb blast effect with quick charge and deployment would be a nice addition


    Fixes on Shadow Manifestation and Shadow Reverberation look fine

    Dark Transfusion needs a rethink. Most builds don't need occasional bursts of energy, they need continual energy, and dark transfusion isn't actually that much energy on most builds. Consider changing what it does from providing energy to a more direct benefit.

    Actually, I do use this on my Darkness character. Some of the Darkness powers have quite a high initial energy or maintain cost which makes them quite difficult to charge or maintain at lower tiers. This power fills the Energy bar and means I can charge things like Grasping Shadows without an issue. It may not be so necessary with the new EU in which case...

    Dark Transfusion
    Add advantage to boost critical rate for a few seconds (rather like a scaled down Imbue). The bonus would have a cost (health lost) but it would make a useful "last stand" power.


  • avianosavianos Posts: 4,730 Arc User
    edited February 14
    I also I agree with the others, Endbringer Graps NEEDS to be updated, especially now that the corrupted gimmick is worthless for endgame

    also PLEASE do something more with Ebon Rift, I also want this power to be good for a Dark Hole on command
    New Power: Feral Rage
    Bestial Supernatural Ultimate
    Can be obtained in the Punk lockbox.
    Active Ultimate.
    Shame it's another Passive Ultimate, For Bestial I was expecting a crazy frienzy ultimate with dynamic animation like Devastating Strike :/
    Soul Vortex
    This power now leaves behind a healing rune once the Vortex expires.
    EXCELLENT, Healing runes are always welcomed
    Spirit Reverberation
    This energy unlock now scales off of Recovery primarily.
    Changed to apply energy over time to bring it in line with other recent energy unlocks.
    We were all expecting the Constitution scale to be removed, I don't think it was a surprise
    Endurance would be better since Darkness has so high energy cost​​
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  • avianosavianos Posts: 4,730 Arc User
    ONGOING BUG: Ebon Rift Maintaining this power STILL doesn't trigger neither Concentration nor Chill Form​​
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