3,1 requirement is a joke from other poimt of view. I can be 2k with crazy stats with bonding 12 x3 285% stats and rank 12 on companion gear.GUESS what that is not visible but i am strong enough to beat fbi but you dont let me ! OH and 8k POWEr FRom sh boon and 8k ls or defence or 30k hp!. SO dont be so sure a player will fail bying the cheap dragonhoard enchantments see above the hidden power creep.
SKill and timing doesnt exist anymore when i am not able to cast a full debuff-buff rotation on my dc because everything is dead. Leave your guild. Change to augment companion. THEN come to tell the dungeon is for your 3.1 item level the "elite player"
The sad but honest truth about the whole ilvl situation.
While I agree some hardwork and patience is required for RPGs, more straight forward fun would also be a good RPG element to have... lets just agree to disagree. 3100 IL is no joke.. no one I know is laughing at this requirement.
Fair enough. It's not supposed to be a joke, though. It's supposed to be tough to get to, to represent the starting high tier of gameplay. It's supposed to provide a challenge for those that are able to enter it. It is not meant for everyone to just run through it. And while I can certainly understand that some won't want to invest the time and effort to get there those that already have deserve a chellenge as well. The rest can join in at a later date.
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jaysun1977Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 177Arc User
3,1 requirement is a joke from other poimt of view. I can be 2k with crazy stats with bonding 12 x3 285% stats and rank 12 on companion gear.GUESS what that is not visible but i am strong enough to beat fbi but you dont let me ! OH and 8k POWEr FRom sh boon and 8k ls or defence or 30k hp!. SO dont be so sure a player will fail bying the cheap dragonhoard enchantments see above the hidden power creep.
SKill and timing doesnt exist anymore when i am not able to cast a full debuff-buff rotation on my dc because everything is dead. Leave your guild. Change to augment companion. THEN come to tell the dungeon is for your 3.1 item level the "elite player"
While I comepletely agree with your assessment of iL as a valid estimation of performance, those that already have R12 bondings and R12 enchants in their companion are not the ones struggling to get to 3.1K.
3,1 requirement is a joke from other poimt of view. I can be 2k with crazy stats with bonding 12 x3 285% stats and rank 12 on companion gear.GUESS what that is not visible but i am strong enough to beat fbi but you dont let me ! OH and 8k POWEr FRom sh boon and 8k ls or defence or 30k hp!. SO dont be so sure a player will fail bying the cheap dragonhoard enchantments see above the hidden power creep.
SKill and timing doesnt exist anymore when i am not able to cast a full debuff-buff rotation on my dc because everything is dead. Leave your guild. Change to augment companion. THEN come to tell the dungeon is for your 3.1 item level the "elite player"
While I comepletely agree with your assessment of iL as a valid estimation of performance, those that already have R12 bondings and R12 enchants in their companion are not the ones struggling to get to 3.1K.
Wrong. I have 3x r12 bondings and two of my characters are sitting at 2.8k, with good elemental gear gear, legendary artifacts, and rank 8 to 10 enchantments. I'm really wondering what kind of silly tricks I could use to get to 3.1. Most likely a dual slot ambush ring since rising power and rising crit refuse to drop. And selling all my enchantments to buy cheap silveries. And r11 dragon's hoard. Because that makes sense, right?
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frozenfirevrMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,475Community Moderator
3,1 requirement is a joke from other poimt of view. I can be 2k with crazy stats with bonding 12 x3 285% stats and rank 12 on companion gear.GUESS what that is not visible but i am strong enough to beat fbi but you dont let me ! OH and 8k POWEr FRom sh boon and 8k ls or defence or 30k hp!. SO dont be so sure a player will fail bying the cheap dragonhoard enchantments see above the hidden power creep.
SKill and timing doesnt exist anymore when i am not able to cast a full debuff-buff rotation on my dc because everything is dead. Leave your guild. Change to augment companion. THEN come to tell the dungeon is for your 3.1 item level the "elite player"
The sad but honest truth about the whole ilvl situation.
my 2k PALADIn can get the everfrost damage on big hes from multiple enemies. BUT in this double rp need 3100 to play fbi ofcourse. THAT i call it pay to play. IN the past also my characters didnt have any problem to do kessel. I bet 10 smop the dungeon is not even challenging.
Well...what a surprise *ironic mode off Did i miss something? Since i started with NW every dungeon got a GS cap. And now everyone is suprised about 3,1 in fbi? hilarious...
No one is surprised. Just that the difference between say 2.8k and 3.1k is a few million AD but to actually make your character more effective you're better off spending that AD on companions which doesn't raise your ilvl at all.
3,1 requirement is a joke from other poimt of view. I can be 2k with crazy stats with bonding 12 x3 285% stats and rank 12 on companion gear.GUESS what that is not visible but i am strong enough to beat fbi but you dont let me ! OH and 8k POWEr FRom sh boon and 8k ls or defence or 30k hp!. SO dont be so sure a player will fail bying the cheap dragonhoard enchantments see above the hidden power creep.
SKill and timing doesnt exist anymore when i am not able to cast a full debuff-buff rotation on my dc because everything is dead. Leave your guild. Change to augment companion. THEN come to tell the dungeon is for your 3.1 item level the "elite player"
While I comepletely agree with your assessment of iL as a valid estimation of performance, those that already have R12 bondings and R12 enchants in their companion are not the ones struggling to get to 3.1K.
Wrong. I have 3x r12 bondings and two of my characters are sitting at 2.8k, with good elemental gear gear, legendary artifacts, and rank 8 to 10 enchantments. I'm really wondering what kind of silly tricks I could use to get to 3.1. Most likely a dual slot ambush ring since rising power and rising crit refuse to drop. And selling all my enchantments to buy cheap silveries. And r11 dragon's hoard. Because that makes sense, right?
Rank 10s in offense slots and rank 8s in defense slots. Alternatively all rank 9s. Add to that: armor enhancement kits and legendary artifacts. Voilá, 3.3K iL.
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zekethesinnerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 805Arc User
3,1 requirement is a joke from other poimt of view. I can be 2k with crazy stats with bonding 12 x3 285% stats and rank 12 on companion gear.GUESS what that is not visible but i am strong enough to beat fbi but you dont let me ! OH and 8k POWEr FRom sh boon and 8k ls or defence or 30k hp!. SO dont be so sure a player will fail bying the cheap dragonhoard enchantments see above the hidden power creep.
SKill and timing doesnt exist anymore when i am not able to cast a full debuff-buff rotation on my dc because everything is dead. Leave your guild. Change to augment companion. THEN come to tell the dungeon is for your 3.1 item level the "elite player"
The sad but honest truth about the whole ilvl situation.
my 2k PALADIn can get the everfrost damage on big hes from multiple enemies. BUT in this double rp need 3100 to play fbi ofcourse. THAT i call it pay to play. IN the past also my characters didnt have any problem to do kessel. I bet 10 smop the dungeon is not even challenging.
But mamal, ITS YOU, YOU! You are like ghoulz, u will make first step into FBI and u will die, and knowing you, you will also most likely wipe your whole party, that kind of good player you are. I would be rly, rly happy knowing you have never scrubed past 3.1k. Tho, i honestly hope you have improved your skills since last time i saw you playing. For the sake of parties you will meet in FBI in the future.
3,1 requirement is a joke from other poimt of view. I can be 2k with crazy stats with bonding 12 x3 285% stats and rank 12 on companion gear.GUESS what that is not visible but i am strong enough to beat fbi but you dont let me ! OH and 8k POWEr FRom sh boon and 8k ls or defence or 30k hp!. SO dont be so sure a player will fail bying the cheap dragonhoard enchantments see above the hidden power creep.
SKill and timing doesnt exist anymore when i am not able to cast a full debuff-buff rotation on my dc because everything is dead. Leave your guild. Change to augment companion. THEN come to tell the dungeon is for your 3.1 item level the "elite player"
While I comepletely agree with your assessment of iL as a valid estimation of performance, those that already have R12 bondings and R12 enchants in their companion are not the ones struggling to get to 3.1K.
Wrong. I have 3x r12 bondings and two of my characters are sitting at 2.8k, with good elemental gear gear, legendary artifacts, and rank 8 to 10 enchantments. I'm really wondering what kind of silly tricks I could use to get to 3.1. Most likely a dual slot ambush ring since rising power and rising crit refuse to drop. And selling all my enchantments to buy cheap silveries. And r11 dragon's hoard. Because that makes sense, right?
Let me guess, you have got at last one char with 3.1k+, R 12 bondings and alts with less then 3.1k IL?
You are right. I have 6 chars with 3k+, 9 R 12 bondings and a shitload of R12s, legendary and mystic artifacts, ca. a dozen p-t. enchants and still my LS alts only have 2k IL, so 3.1 min IL is way to high. I want to run FBI with my LS alts and plz ignore the fact, that I just grind the new campaign with my main, bc I most likely would stop playing, before I do the fishing quest on 6 chars.
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ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
3,1 requirement is a joke from other poimt of view. I can be 2k with crazy stats with bonding 12 x3 285% stats and rank 12 on companion gear.GUESS what that is not visible but i am strong enough to beat fbi but you dont let me ! OH and 8k POWEr FRom sh boon and 8k ls or defence or 30k hp!. SO dont be so sure a player will fail bying the cheap dragonhoard enchantments see above the hidden power creep.
SKill and timing doesnt exist anymore when i am not able to cast a full debuff-buff rotation on my dc because everything is dead. Leave your guild. Change to augment companion. THEN come to tell the dungeon is for your 3.1 item level the "elite player"
The sad but honest truth about the whole ilvl situation.
my 2k PALADIn can get the everfrost damage on big hes from multiple enemies. BUT in this double rp need 3100 to play fbi ofcourse. THAT i call it pay to play. IN the past also my characters didnt have any problem to do kessel. I bet 10 smop the dungeon is not even challenging.
But mamal, ITS YOU, YOU! You are like ghoulz, u will make first step into FBI and u will die, and knowing you, you will also most likely wipe your whole party, that kind of good player you are. I would be rly, rly happy knowing you have never scrubed past 3.1k. Tho, i honestly hope you have improved your skills since last time i saw you playing. For the sake of parties you will meet in FBI in the future.
Please stop it.
(Sin)cerely Kain
There you go with your elitist attitude again. You don't do runs with me so keep your mouth shut. You don't know if I'm good or bad at the game. I'll gladly ignore this content. I don't want to play with elitist filth like you.
Hi all. Currently I have a gs of 2700. How do I get to 3100 for the new dungeon? Is it as simple as upgrading all my artifacts and artifact gear? Currently they are all purple quality.
No, I'm sorry. It's not that simple even if you have 3.1k IL. They have released patch notes today that you need *New* gear to even get in the dungeon since is requires 3.1k IL + 29% Everfrost resistance to enter the content. Best bet is to just run HEs to try to get a broken piece of gear you can curate and upgrade artifacts, under garments and maybe you'll get 3.1k IL and enough everfrost resistance to maybe make it in the door in the first place.
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Welcome to RPGs. They have always been a grind. You obviously picked the wrong genre of games. Sounds like FPSs are what you are looking for.
While I agree some hardwork and patience is required for RPGs, more straight forward fun would also be a good RPG element to have... lets just agree to disagree. 3100 IL is no joke.. no one I know is laughing at this requirement.
More straightforward fun might come from playing an actual rpg - like the grandfather of them all: dungeons & dragons That´s where I'm coming from and it´s the one reason i got stranded in an MMO. I´ve (finally!) seen reason though and will stop complaining. If I stop wishing the game was something it isn´t and won´t ever be and wondering why not I might still have some fun. Nice scenery (like aesthetics of new aereas, social aspect, relaxation doing repetitive stuff just because). Complaining about the grind is funny because that IS the game. Well, the biggest part. Not that I wouldn´t have liked to join a NEW dungeon. Never did since I entered this game – apart from cn and that was a let-down.
Sure a dungeon that actually forces players to act sensibly as a team is nice but doing existing dungeons you´ve already grinded enough for to be viable for entrance -naked- might be a reasonable Plan B if you just want to be in an endangered team where every toon needs to do a job. Level down instead of up. Whee:D Entrance requirement for that is having enough bag space (currently a total fail for me-.-) Haven´t participated in that yet. No the requirement doesn´t make any sense, the IL system doesn´t make sense...just sayin´ it might be more reasonable to stop even expecting things to „make sense“ in a game format like this. It´s entirely not set up to make sense on so many levels.
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brockweaver1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 18Arc User
[...]armor kits and orange arti weapons seems to be the key for 3.1k iL .. this is a lot of money cryptic...doesn't it ?
The difference between Legendary weapons and epic weapons is 10 iL in total. Armor kits do make a difference,t hat's true. all in all that's 140 iL for armor kits and another 140 iL for Jewelry kits. Neither of those are required, however.
The biggest contributor to iL outside of enchants is Artifacts, not artifact weapons. Use a double refinement weekend, grab some feeder artifacts and you're pretty much set. You will most likely be able to hit 3.1K with about 6M investment total.
Actually nowadays is fairly easy to get to 3.1k IL, even for new players. Underdark made the grind a whole lot shorter, you don't need any kind of profession to get Epic shirt and pants or even double slotted rings, and all of it is way cheaper thanks to the high chances of getting Dragon eggs and Demonic Ichor everywhere.
You get to 2.6k using only rank 7s, rank 8s drop out of CN, so that's another shorter grind, 2.7 - 2.8 + 280 in reinforcements = 3k (at least), if you keep running CN you'll get more Rank 8s or at the very least enough AD to simply buy them, so if you saved your Sharandar campaign Thaumaturgics you'll have enough to make your Rank 9s in a x2 RP, and there you have it!! 3.1k (assuming you have a decent enough Armor and Weapon enchantment, lol)
Nearly everyone who is 3.1k-3.8k has earned their IL and Fangbreaker by grinding for a year or more. You want the IL, you have to grind.
You are joking right? Lets see what you can get with buying: head - adamant - 2.7M - 145ilvl chest - adamant - 2.4M - 145 ilvl (or frostborn - 80 bars - 135ilvl) arms - adamant - 2M - 145 ilvl (or dusk - 65 bars - 135 ilvl) feet - samite - 2M - 145 ilvl (or frostborn - 65 bars - 135 ilvl) shirt - gemmed - 80K - 145 ilvl pants - gemmed - 80K - 145 ilvl belt - gemmed exquisite - 40K - 135 ilvl (technically you can buy your way into 135 legendary belts with 2 enchantslots) neck - gemmed exquistite - 70K - 135 ilvl (again artifact necks are possible but not going to calculate the costs) ring - underdark +2 rings - 2K each - 137 ilvl MH+OH - twisted runic lockboxes - 1.8M - 135 ilvl (technically 140 is possible - see neck and belt comments) artifacts - purple symbols of air - 750K - 96 ilvl (see neck, belt and NH+OH comments. up to 140)
lets add up this babys now: low and behold!!!!! I got 3.216 ilvl now. I just dinged lv70 with XP boosters so I won't know my class but I 'grinded' my way up to more than 3.2k. I can even get over 3.4k ilvl if I buy RP points off the auction house. Oh and this is without armor kits btw.
Granted this settup will cost you a small fortune (over €3.500) but my goal was to show that it is possible to buy your way into endgame and that 3.1k isn't unreachable for people willing to pay. Its not hard to balance out the more expensive options and get to a more reasonable price.
EDIT: not saying its wrong to openup your wallet. people are free to do so if they like and I wont hold it against them. As long as they keep their feet on the ground and dont start to feel almighty.
Ehm ..... Replacing dark 7 for dragonhoard rank 10 is a No brainer. Why would you want dark in Utility? Its not increasing dps. Well unless you Run ahead of the rest but the team dps wont Be higher. Just you flashing epeens.
Actually @jaysun1977 artifact equipment has a bigger impact than artifacts. Getting equipment to legendary takes a HUGE amount of RP but opens up an extra enchantment slot for EACH piece. Four extra rank 9s is more ilvl than four legendary to mythic artifacts...
EDIT: not saying its wrong to openup your wallet. people are free to do so if they like and I wont hold it against them. As long as they keep their feet on the ground and dont start to feel almighty.
Defiant's point was that virtually no one spends that much. Most people might spend enough to get a leadership army and VIP then grind for a few months.
Ehm ..... Replacing dark 7 for dragonhoard rank 10 is a No brainer. Why would you want dark in Utility? Its not increasing dps. Well unless you Run ahead of the rest but the team dps wont Be higher. Just you flashing epeens.
The primary reason to use DHEs is to refine artifact equipment. After you've finished refining it they're kind of pointless and you should be able to cover any upgrades via leadership anyways. People slot darks because it's the only option that has an effect on gameplay.
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In my mind this is way more difficult to achieve.
all so we can enter, rip off the junk gear that gave us that HAMSTER 28% and put good gear back on.
U cant compare kessel and fbi
Kessel every decent player can do solo
while in fbi u actually need a good group to finish it
Please stop it.
(Sin)cerely
Kain
You are right. I have 6 chars with 3k+, 9 R 12 bondings and a shitload of R12s, legendary and mystic artifacts, ca. a dozen p-t. enchants and still my LS alts only have 2k IL, so 3.1 min IL is way to high. I want to run FBI with my LS alts and plz ignore the fact, that I just grind the new campaign with my main, bc I most likely would stop playing, before I do the fishing quest on 6 chars.
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More straightforward fun might come from playing an actual rpg - like the grandfather of them all: dungeons & dragons
Complaining about the grind is funny because that IS the game. Well, the biggest part. Not that I wouldn´t have liked to join a NEW dungeon. Never did since I entered this game – apart from cn and that was a let-down.
Sure a dungeon that actually forces players to act sensibly as a team is nice but doing existing dungeons you´ve already grinded enough for to be viable for entrance -naked- might be a reasonable Plan B if you just want to be in an endangered team where every toon needs to do a job. Level down instead of up. Whee:D Entrance requirement for that is having enough bag space (currently a total fail for me-.-) Haven´t participated in that yet.
No the requirement doesn´t make any sense, the IL system doesn´t make sense...just sayin´ it might be more reasonable to stop even expecting things to „make sense“ in a game format like this. It´s entirely not set up to make sense on so many levels.
The biggest contributor to iL outside of enchants is Artifacts, not artifact weapons. Use a double refinement weekend, grab some feeder artifacts and you're pretty much set. You will most likely be able to hit 3.1K with about 6M investment total.
You get to 2.6k using only rank 7s, rank 8s drop out of CN, so that's another shorter grind, 2.7 - 2.8 + 280 in reinforcements = 3k (at least), if you keep running CN you'll get more Rank 8s or at the very least enough AD to simply buy them, so if you saved your Sharandar campaign Thaumaturgics you'll have enough to make your Rank 9s in a x2 RP, and there you have it!! 3.1k (assuming you have a decent enough Armor and Weapon enchantment, lol)
But, I thought you WANTED a challenge?
head - adamant - 2.7M - 145ilvl
chest - adamant - 2.4M - 145 ilvl (or frostborn - 80 bars - 135ilvl)
arms - adamant - 2M - 145 ilvl (or dusk - 65 bars - 135 ilvl)
feet - samite - 2M - 145 ilvl (or frostborn - 65 bars - 135 ilvl)
shirt - gemmed - 80K - 145 ilvl
pants - gemmed - 80K - 145 ilvl
belt - gemmed exquisite - 40K - 135 ilvl (technically you can buy your way into 135 legendary belts with 2 enchantslots)
neck - gemmed exquistite - 70K - 135 ilvl (again artifact necks are possible but not going to calculate the costs)
ring - underdark +2 rings - 2K each - 137 ilvl
MH+OH - twisted runic lockboxes - 1.8M - 135 ilvl (technically 140 is possible - see neck and belt comments)
artifacts - purple symbols of air - 750K - 96 ilvl (see neck, belt and NH+OH comments. up to 140)
rank 12 enchantments - 1.7M AD - 82ilvl (x12)
weapon enchant - 2.6M - 82 ilvl
armor enchant - 4M - 82 ilvl
lets add up this babys now:
low and behold!!!!! I got 3.216 ilvl now. I just dinged lv70 with XP boosters so I won't know my class but I 'grinded' my way up to more than 3.2k. I can even get over 3.4k ilvl if I buy RP points off the auction house. Oh and this is without armor kits btw.
Granted this settup will cost you a small fortune (over €3.500) but my goal was to show that it is possible to buy your way into endgame and that 3.1k isn't unreachable for people willing to pay. Its not hard to balance out the more expensive options and get to a more reasonable price.
EDIT: not saying its wrong to openup your wallet. people are free to do so if they like and I wont hold it against them. As long as they keep their feet on the ground and dont start to feel almighty.