Instead we were from mod6 seeing all time in our chat in PE "lfg OP tank".Sure the ones we had friends/guilds we carried on.But lesser geared GFs swapped class or worst left the game.
You do know the bubble mode is broken and produced a generation of players with gameplay reflexes and positioning far worse than in those pre Mod6.
I posted in the OP forums and asked for DPS buffs.RA to be reworked for pve ,neutralising its ridicoulous knock affect and replacing with something else.Also Divine Touch to be viable and not hit 2/3 of a damage of an Oath Strike. Funny enough i was the only one that asked these obvious things.Most Ops continue to defend a broken mechanism-Bubble Mode.This tells something that want really care and want.Easy Mode.Or worst ,what they learned from that class,so far.
As @stretch611 said tanks are still in low numbers and in order NW to thrive(and all to continue have fun of this game) we need both classes.
As for you you are a good gamer ,i remember you when you were playing your HR.You will have 0 problem to adapt. If you post in the Op feedback thread and ask for reasonable things,the devs seem to have a whole new fresh view of the game. it is a golden opportunity to fine tune some lacking gameplay aspects of OP class.DivP would go ,time to move on and make OP a different,yet effective, defender class of NW,still able to excell in the game.
I have already wrote here suggestion about GF's daily power [Fighter's recovery]. But now I would like to write feedback about it more concretely.
Wth, why would GFs want their only means to stay alive in PVE nerfed? If that happens then nerf the @#$% out of the OP's temp HP and ability to soak up large amounts of damage...
So what that the tank OP and tank GF can actually survive? If the party wipes they may as well allow themselves to die.
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I haven't understood everything that all you wrote. But in PvE now my GF with just 3k il is immortal (I am protector in iron vanguard). [Fighter's recovery]+[Guarded assault] make GF able to ignore all incoming damage and make him have no care about monsters mechanics. It makes game very boring.
Ps: if we want to make game balanced we also need to balance overpower mechanics and in our class. Balancing doesn't mean that we are going to nerf as much as possible other classes and to improve as much as possible our class. I am trying to change imbalanced game mechanics of GF that I've found after 2 years of playing for my GF.
U know, OP can have Oath 100% up and temp hp will still sulk in every kind of incoming dmg (also they shield is better, more cc resistant than GFs, im not only saying of degrees, they CC resistance is literały 1 lvl higher) So first of all, if OP dont need healer, also GF should have right to play without heal. Second thing is 80% DR, when u take some healing boons and high rec/LS u dont rly need heal at all (in T1/T2 i this case), do u want to nerf it too?
And do u think how many buffing DCs actually can outheal orcus? Coz Op will still dont bother with him, and will be able to take dps + de/fbuffers and u want to take away safeskill (FR) from GF, so he will be forced to take healer, and coz of that GF position will drop in party (yes yes, ITF, we all know nerfhammer is comming, coz of QQers like u).
I haven't understood everything that all you wrote. But in PvE now my GF with just 3k il is immortal (I am protector in iron vanguard). [Fighter's recovery]+[Guarded assault] make GF able to ignore all incoming damage and make him have no care about monsters mechanics. It makes game very boring.
Ps: if we want to make game balanced we also need to balance overpower mechanics and in our class. Balancing doesn't mean that we are going to nerf as much as possible other classes and to improve as much as possible our class. I am trying to change imbalanced game mechanics of GF that I've found after 2 years of playing for my GF.
U know, OP can have Oath 100% up and temp hp will still sulk in every kind of incoming dmg (also they shield is better, more cc resistant than GFs, im not only saying of degrees, they CC resistance is literały 1 lvl higher) So first of all, if OP dont need healer, also GF should have right to play without heal. Second thing is 80% DR, when u take some healing boons and high rec/LS u dont rly need heal at all (in T1/T2 i this case), do u want to nerf it too?
And do u think how many buffing DCs actually can outheal orcus? Coz Op will still dont bother with him, and will be able to take dps + de/fbuffers and u want to take away safeskill (FR) from GF, so he will be forced to take healer, and coz of that GF position will drop in party (yes yes, ITF, we all know nerfhammer is comming, coz of QQers like u).
Spoken like a true Gf that advocate for Op nerfs, flawless logic as usal.....
Thank u.
(Sin)cerely Kain
So in your logical world its ok for Gf to be immortal to damage but not OPs, but that is a matter for solo play when you talk about group play agro control and buffs/debuffs are the important thing(beside surviving to be able to tank ofc).
##If u want healer take OP, they r perfect, brainless heal totems.
(Sin)cerely Kain ##
How about just agree to agree that not much are gained by asking for nerfs and talk down each others classes mkay.
Hello. Dear developers I ask once again think, that you want to make an imbalance in PvP even more noticeable. Once again I ask study material of recently taken place informal tournament (the server Drider) and draw conclusions. The situation with the guards ground in drawing damages really causes attacks of an acute pain. And it is time to change this situation already now, otherwise even more players will leave because of this imbalance. References to information on a tournament (many GF behave very incorrectly in these discussions and video, I apologize for their behavior) : prech0me.ru/nw/bracket_all.html -table of matches of a tournament.
(Оригинал: Доброго времени суток. Уважаемые разработчики прошу ещё раз подумайте ,над тем что вы хотите сделать дисбаланс в пвп ещё более заметным. Ещё раз прошу изучите материал недавно состоявщегося неофициального турнира( сервер Дридер) и сделайте выводы. Ситуация со стражами заточенными в нанесение повреждений действительно вызывает приступы острой боли. И эту ситуацию пора менять уже сейчас, иначе ещё больше игроков уйдут из-за этого дисбаланса. Далее выложена информация о межклассовом турнире и даны ссылки на оный)
"-Temp HP/absorbing damage shields will fall very fast without high defence like GF shield block or bubble."
Two wrongs here. First temp hp never drops.i have tested it with a boonless 1,9k IL OP with the worst build around.You just have to activate Binding Oath and the Templar's wrath in that order.You will never drop your hit points.How many hit points we are talking here? 2k as Gf gets from feats?Nope.we are talking about 96k temp hit points min. Second.with out high defense?We wear the same exact armors and you have access as Op to all same GF defences.Both classes are able to gain benefir from investing in high defence.problem is most OPs at the moment have low defense cause in DivP mode did not needed it.Not Gfs problem though.
"like GF shield block".So....you make it show like OP shield is 20% and Gf shield 120%.In reality is 60% for OP plus more cc and 360 degrees coverage and 80% with less cc and only 180 cov erage for GFs.Hardly any superiority for Gf. reality is i have not have seen prot Ops to use effectivelly shield in the past year.Cause they did not needed it.Well time to learn. Gfs and OP shield duration is exactly the same at base level.
"Paladin can't do shield blocking all over the time to protect themselves like GF (now my shield stamina while blocking even doesn't falls)."
You are wrong here.it is exact same duration.You cannot compare your toon which i suspect has invest in stamina gain gear ,with the OPs that walk around that have invested 0.
"Also paladins much less resistant to knock back effects because their shield block doesn't work all over the time and they can't clean knock back effect (for example in icewind dale it will be much less comfortable for paladin to do tanking on crowd of trolls that knocks back about all over the time)."
GF and OP shield are exactly the same as concerning knock back effects.Actually OP shield is superior that it offers 360 degrees.
"After a bubble change I think that paladin will become much more balanced and will not be as immortal as it was."
Binding oath and templar's wrath combo is the cultprint of its Immortallity.And these remained untouched.
"But GF with good all over the time shield blocking still can ignore all incoming into block damage and CC effects while healing himself."
They can't ignore all damage as you claim.Gf shield block 80% of damage.While healing?We have one daily for that FR.It is not as easy as you think.
"I think that this change will not be catastrophic for GF's self healing. Because you still can use wheel of elements and water artifact weapon to have very high health regeneration. "
well...i don't use Wheel of elements cause i need instant healing most of the times and not walk around in a circle to find i don't know what.Ι use Blood Crystal.(ok i am the exception in that) As for water weapons i am not the exception in Dragon server most PVe Gfs use Twisted weapon set cause it is superior,PVP GFs use the drowned one.(And some Gfs know use Fire Set).
So you want to nerf a global skill-ability of GFs and then to recompensate you say to us to refine an wheel and a drowned set. So you will dictate us our gear and what to equip.Well ,i 'll pass
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All these proposals of yours it is because you as an indivindual you do not find FR adequate cause you are tank specced and you do little damage.So FR is not very viable for you.So you came up with the proposal ,instead of you to gain some power an Arp,to nerf Gfs survivability i two servers ,so the changes to suit you.Great!!!
Hey guys prot pally here and I'll say that I'm glad the bubble nerf is coming as it made pve far 2 easy mode for everything. My main focus is pvp and this should really make pvp more enjoyable as the haste bubble combo is far 2 broken you can have very low gs of this combo topple other team if they don't have it and the fact it makes whole teams invincible is just 2 strong. I look forward 2 the nerfs and have games where dailys are not perma and people can die more regularly. In the whole it will make players play better and learn game mechanics better and hopefully more enjoyable for all. 4 he people who say pally is dead that is just ridiculous it's just more in line with other classes now and not op 2 death.
I did not meant anything personal nor we implied that you should not speak!
If my tone seemed aggressive to you,then i apologize. You are in Drider server ,right?here in dragon there is a wide spread hatred towards GF since at least mod3.Everything said in forums that might enhances the "image" if a Gf that is overperforming(such as your statements that you are immortal),can be used ad-hoc by other known haters of GF class,to advocate for a nerf.
To all the points you said ,i answered with valid ,solid arguments.GF with out FR is dead meat in Orcus fight. you made a comparison between OP and GF,i answered to all your arguments with my own.
Nothing personal, i greet and enjoy talking to all fellows GFs.
Wish you happy gaming and good loot!!!!
Peace!!!! \o/
edit:greetings to brother Russia from Greece!!! \o/
I haven't understood everything that all you wrote. But in PvE now my GF with just 3k il is immortal (I am protector in iron vanguard). [Fighter's recovery]+[Guarded assault] make GF able to ignore all incoming damage and make him have no care about monsters mechanics. It makes game very boring.
Ps: if we want to make game balanced we also need to balance overpower mechanics and in our class. Balancing doesn't mean that we are going to nerf as much as possible other classes and to improve as much as possible our class. I am trying to change imbalanced game mechanics of GF that I've found after 2 years of playing for my GF.
U know, OP can have Oath 100% up and temp hp will still sulk in every kind of incoming dmg (also they shield is better, more cc resistant than GFs, im not only saying of degrees, they CC resistance is literały 1 lvl higher) So first of all, if OP dont need healer, also GF should have right to play without heal. Second thing is 80% DR, when u take some healing boons and high rec/LS u dont rly need heal at all (in T1/T2 i this case), do u want to nerf it too?
And do u think how many buffing DCs actually can outheal orcus? Coz Op will still dont bother with him, and will be able to take dps + de/fbuffers and u want to take away safeskill (FR) from GF, so he will be forced to take healer, and coz of that GF position will drop in party (yes yes, ITF, we all know nerfhammer is comming, coz of QQers like u).
Spoken like a true Gf that advocate for Op nerfs, flawless logic as usal.....
Thank u.
(Sin)cerely Kain
So in your logical world its ok for Gf to be immortal to damage but not OPs, but that is a matter for solo play when you talk about group play agro control and buffs/debuffs are the important thing(beside surviving to be able to tank ofc).
##If u want healer take OP, they r perfect, brainless heal totems.
(Sin)cerely Kain ##
How about just agree to agree that not much are gained by asking for nerfs and talk down each others classes mkay.
We aren't immortal, we have at least 50% of us unguarded from the back. it takes strategic angling to block the heavy hits. unlike pally who takes all hit all directions and only needs a second to daily and encounter to be immortal.
I haven't understood everything that all you wrote. But in PvE now my GF with just 3k il is immortal (I am protector in iron vanguard). [Fighter's recovery]+[Guarded assault] make GF able to ignore all incoming damage and make him have no care about monsters mechanics. It makes game very boring.
Ps: if we want to make game balanced we also need to balance overpower mechanics and in our class. Balancing doesn't mean that we are going to nerf as much as possible other classes and to improve as much as possible our class. I am trying to change imbalanced game mechanics of GF that I've found after 2 years of playing for my GF.
U know, OP can have Oath 100% up and temp hp will still sulk in every kind of incoming dmg (also they shield is better, more cc resistant than GFs, im not only saying of degrees, they CC resistance is literały 1 lvl higher) So first of all, if OP dont need healer, also GF should have right to play without heal. Second thing is 80% DR, when u take some healing boons and high rec/LS u dont rly need heal at all (in T1/T2 i this case), do u want to nerf it too?
And do u think how many buffing DCs actually can outheal orcus? Coz Op will still dont bother with him, and will be able to take dps + de/fbuffers and u want to take away safeskill (FR) from GF, so he will be forced to take healer, and coz of that GF position will drop in party (yes yes, ITF, we all know nerfhammer is comming, coz of QQers like u).
Spoken like a true Gf that advocate for Op nerfs, flawless logic as usal.....
Thank u.
(Sin)cerely Kain
So in your logical world its ok for Gf to be immortal to damage but not OPs, but that is a matter for solo play when you talk about group play agro control and buffs/debuffs are the important thing(beside surviving to be able to tank ofc).
##If u want healer take OP, they r perfect, brainless heal totems.
(Sin)cerely Kain ##
How about just agree to agree that not much are gained by asking for nerfs and talk down each others classes mkay.
We aren't immortal, we have at least 50% of us unguarded from the back. it takes strategic angling to block the heavy hits. unlike pally who takes all hit all directions and only needs a second to daily and encounter to be immortal.
mkay .
##Ps: am I understood everything right? Do you think that I play for paladin? No I had been playing just for guardian fighter more then about two years. And I found a build that makes GF immortal in PvE (I am protector in iron vanguard). And in this build I absolutely have no need in well equipment for do tanking in PvE. Even with just 2k il it is possible to complete solo all bosses for example in Lair of Lostmauth if something wrong with your team. ##
Not sure what you want to accomplish by writing that text but I still think we should be focus on getting 2 classes that can tank, hold aggro and protect our teams rather then asking for nerfs to further one or the other...( no you dident).
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So in your logical world its ok for Gf to be immortal to damage but not OPs, but that is a matter for solo play when you talk about group play agro control and buffs/debuffs are the important thing(beside surviving to be able to tank ofc).
Where did i said that? For now both classes have option to be immortal if played right, and its u ppl who want take it from GF and leave it on OP. @marnival dont put words in my mouth i didnt said, u r not that clever.
""U know, OP can have Oath 100% up and temp hp will still sulk in every kind of incoming dmg (also they shield is better, more cc resistant than GFs, im not only saying of degrees, they CC resistance is literały 1 lvl higher) So first of all, if OP dont need healer, also GF should have right to play without heal. Second thing is 80% DR, when u take some healing boons and high rec/LS u dont rly need heal at all (in T1/T2 i this case), do u want to nerf it too?
And do u think how many buffing DCs actually can outheal orcus? Coz Op will still dont bother with him, and will be able to take dps + de/fbuffers and u want to take away safeskill (FR) from GF, so he will be forced to take healer, and coz of that GF position will drop in party (yes yes, ITF, we all know nerfhammer is comming, coz of QQers like u).
So to ur idea: NO.
Go back on OP forum or whatever. » show previous quotes Thank u.
(Sin)cerely Kain""
I will enlighten you then.
First of all you even bothered to read properly you would know he is a Gf not a Pal.
So first of all, if OP dont need healer, also GF should have right to play without heal.
Mkay so pal should have high single target dps then as Gf has it, Gf is by tradition pure fighter and pal a hybrid between figher/dc which makes perfect sense for pals not needing dc while Gf does.
""U know, OP can have Oath 100% up and temp hp will still sulk in every kind of incoming dmg""
You mean that with 14k + in recovery and geared 3.5k+ that is possible while sacrificing most other stats, hardly something other then in extreme exceptions.
and temp hp will still sulk in every kind of incoming dmg
No temp hp will save you from 600k+ hits even less 1 mil hits that are being dealt out nowdays by several boss mobs.
(yes yes, ITF, we all know nerfhammer is comming, coz of QQers like u)
Atm they are BUFFING the Gf class, being a bit paranoid are we not....
If u want healer take OP, they r perfect, brainless heal totem (Sin)cerely
Kain
100% True.
Yes you are very neutral indeed.....
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zekethesinnerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 805Arc User
Jut quick question, have u ever played light as OP? U dont need so much rec at all, it will be harder a bit with echoes nerf, but till now my OP with 4k rec, echoes and light path has 100% Oath up. Who r u trying to BS? With echoes nerf endgame OP (and its what we r comparing, arent we? since u r crying about GF's single target now, and only endgame can have high single target, lol) will still have 100% oath uptime, if he only takes around 10k rec. What is the problem, that u need to stack rec a bit more?
BTW have u seen what dmg could OP do with Oath till now? One hit bosses? And u call gf having high single target? Also OP is immortal by default, while GF can be only coz of reling on 1 skill, and u still need to build around it, since prot wont have so much benefits as conq, ale drop shield for 1 sec to long and u r done for, FR can outheal 200k hit in face.
Jut quick question, have u ever played light as OP? U dont need so much rec at all, it will be harder a bit with echoes nerf, but till now my OP with 4k rec, echoes and light path has 100% Oath up. Who r u trying to BS? With echoes nerf endgame OP (and its what we r comparing, arent we? since u r crying about GF's single target now, and only endgame can have high single target, lol) will still have 100% oath uptime, if he only takes around 10k rec. What is the problem, that u need to stack rec a bit more?
BTW have u seen what dmg could OP do with Oath till now? One hit bosses? And u call gf having high single target? Also OP is immortal by default, while GF can be only coz of reling on 1 skill, and u still need to build around it, since prot wont have so much benefits as conq, ale drop shield for 1 sec to long and u r done for, FR can outheal 200k hit in face.
What a BS.
(Sin)cerely Kain
Seems like you have a lot of experience for paladin. I think that all this imbalanced paladin's defence will be nerfed soon. And if it will happen I suppose it will be nice to balance and GF too
Not at all, i barely manage that class compared to my GF or GWF, still, i can tank orcus without problem, and... do u rly want to nerf everything into ground? To be even? What a logic is that, its gardner's dog thinking, "i cant have it so i wont let u either". No, it should not be like that, if OP can have option to be immortal if he is smart enough to play light, so should GF be able to.
I love how u r saying that healer is not needed coz of tanks being immortal, but maybe look at this from the pov of dps, which not always have enough LS and dp ot outheal themselves while dealing dps,s o they need additional heal, while tank may not, its great, only 4 targets to focus on.
Beside that, we r lvling our IL for a reason, if 4k can do what 3k cant, thants rly good. But if u dont see difference between 3k and 4k (in this case, 3k gf rarely can sustain himself with FR only in CN, 3.5-3k i know will do it, also 2k gf will never survive orcus with 2k il, coz of lack of hp, lack of defense and prolly dont even have enough pp to buy r4 powers he needs) why get better IL and progress? Soon we will have gear we dont need to gear, coz classes r nerfed so bad there is no difference between 2k and 4k. If u pushed so much time or/and manies into class u should be able to feels like superhero compared to 2k, otherways why get 4k?
EDIT: OMFG, i cant believe i messed Light with Justice. Ofc i meant justice in my prev post.
.. do u rly want to nerf everything into ground? To be even? (Sin)cerely Kain
I dont. I also dont like vids with Puppet SWs. And you know why... I like the changes they are coming for GFs. And i loooove the nerf of the bubbledin. Finall they nerfed this scrap perma bubbledin!
pls, when speaking about a class can you spend at least 1 year playing it? possibly in "every" available content of the game?
"......"
CONCLUSIONS: there isnt A single GFs "way", but many, as many we are! and this is the reason GFs need ALL theyr powers, to allow that amazing variety!
i am sorry if YOU OPs are reduced to "a single way" that imply "no brain-bubble", i am sorry for you that this is going to end soon...BUT maybe it's time for you to learn how to play according to your style??
it's time for you all OPs to explore your trees/powers, to find your own uniqueness and to face the truth: tanking means YOU have to stand somewhere AND keep your opponent right there (purple yeti tanks more than you guys, that don't bother you a bit?)!
U forgot coqueror/SM and IV, i play Gf since day 2 of open beta (yes day 2 on day 1 i was downloading it lol), i always played conqueror and i dont PvP, but like u said 5min to kill whatever my friend on a cw 1shoot with Steal time, its .... stupid cuz my campaign ask for the same kills but it takes 10 times more to do.
but with good timing and knowledge of boss attacks u can play conqueror do decent dmg, while keeping agrro and buffing decently (80% DR), but its not easy or u know when to attack, when to block and avoid a hit or u die fast.
But in PvE now my GF with just 3k il is immortal (I am protector in iron vanguard). [Fighter's recovery]+[Guarded assault] make GF able to ignore all incoming damage and make him have no care about monsters mechanics. It makes game very boring.
Then don't use it - no one is forcing you to run FR+GA.
Hm shouldnt this class get a damage NERF? they can one rotate anyone in pvp?
No. GF does not need a nerf. If you are having trouble with that one-rotation kill (btw, GF is not the only class that can do that, and many other classes can ONE SHOT), then you need to learn to watch for the animations and react accordingly. If you want GF encounter damage nerfed, then I want GWF and TR damage nerfed for the same reasons.
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None Gf,wants OP class to suffer.
Instead we were from mod6 seeing all time in our chat in PE "lfg OP tank".Sure the ones we had friends/guilds we carried on.But lesser geared GFs swapped class or worst left the game.
You do know the bubble mode is broken and produced a generation of players with gameplay reflexes and positioning far worse than in those pre Mod6.
I posted in the OP forums and asked for DPS buffs.RA to be reworked for pve ,neutralising its ridicoulous knock affect and replacing with something else.Also Divine Touch to be viable and not hit 2/3 of a damage of an Oath Strike.
Funny enough i was the only one that asked these obvious things.Most Ops continue to defend a broken mechanism-Bubble Mode.This tells something that want really care and want.Easy Mode.Or worst ,what they learned from that class,so far.
As @stretch611 said tanks are still in low numbers and in order NW to thrive(and all to continue have fun of this game) we need both classes.
As for you you are a good gamer ,i remember you when you were playing your HR.You will have 0 problem to adapt.
If you post in the Op feedback thread and ask for reasonable things,the devs seem to have a whole new fresh view of the game.
it is a golden opportunity to fine tune some lacking gameplay aspects of OP class.DivP would go ,time to move on and make OP a different,yet effective, defender class of NW,still able to excell in the game.
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Peace
So what that the tank OP and tank GF can actually survive? If the party wipes they may as well allow themselves to die.
And do u think how many buffing DCs actually can outheal orcus? Coz Op will still dont bother with him, and will be able to take dps + de/fbuffers and u want to take away safeskill (FR) from GF, so he will be forced to take healer, and coz of that GF position will drop in party (yes yes, ITF, we all know nerfhammer is comming, coz of QQers like u).
So to ur idea: NO.
Go back on OP forum or whatever. Thank u.
(Sin)cerely
Kain
##If u want healer take OP, they r perfect, brainless heal totems.
(Sin)cerely
Kain ##
How about just agree to agree that not much are gained by asking for nerfs and talk down each others classes mkay.
Dear developers I ask once again think, that you want to make an imbalance in PvP even more noticeable.
Once again I ask study material of recently taken place informal tournament (the server Drider) and draw conclusions. The situation with the guards ground in drawing damages really causes attacks of an acute pain. And it is time to change this situation already now, otherwise even more players will leave because of this imbalance.
References to information on a tournament (many GF behave very incorrectly in these discussions and video, I apologize for their behavior) :
prech0me.ru/nw/bracket_all.html -table of matches of a tournament.
arcgames.com/ru/forums/nwru#/discussion/201711/eksperimentalnyy-mezhklassovyy-turnir-nefritovaya-lineyka -discussion, I ruled also other.
video of a match(at record of video the author places had ruptures of communication and some matches haven't got on record.):
https://youtu.be/za75_1cOHC4
https://youtu.be/yZBiMSt5rDk
https://youtu.be/BZ0mPLaz8AI
https://youtu.be/Vc7QnQ-V2KU
(Оригинал:
Доброго времени суток.
Уважаемые разработчики прошу ещё раз подумайте ,над тем что вы хотите сделать дисбаланс в пвп ещё более заметным.
Ещё раз прошу изучите материал недавно состоявщегося неофициального турнира( сервер Дридер) и сделайте выводы. Ситуация со стражами заточенными в нанесение повреждений действительно вызывает приступы острой боли. И эту ситуацию пора менять уже сейчас, иначе ещё больше игроков уйдут из-за этого дисбаланса.
Далее выложена информация о межклассовом турнире и даны ссылки на оный)
Yours faithfully and the best regards.
"-Temp HP/absorbing damage shields will fall very fast without high defence like GF shield block or bubble."
Two wrongs here.
First temp hp never drops.i have tested it with a boonless 1,9k IL OP with the worst build around.You just have to activate Binding Oath and the Templar's wrath in that order.You will never drop your hit points.How many hit points we are talking here? 2k as Gf gets from feats?Nope.we are talking about 96k temp hit points min.
Second.with out high defense?We wear the same exact armors and you have access as Op to all same GF defences.Both classes are able to gain benefir from investing in high defence.problem is most OPs at the moment have low defense cause in DivP mode did not needed it.Not Gfs problem though.
"like GF shield block".So....you make it show like OP shield is 20% and Gf shield 120%.In reality is 60% for OP plus more cc and 360 degrees coverage and 80% with less cc and only 180 cov erage for GFs.Hardly any superiority for Gf.
reality is i have not have seen prot Ops to use effectivelly shield in the past year.Cause they did not needed it.Well time to learn.
Gfs and OP shield duration is exactly the same at base level.
"Paladin can't do shield blocking all over the time to protect themselves like GF (now my shield stamina while blocking even doesn't falls)."
You are wrong here.it is exact same duration.You cannot compare your toon which i suspect has invest in stamina gain gear ,with the OPs that walk around that have invested 0.
"Also paladins much less resistant to knock back effects because their shield block doesn't work all over the time and they can't clean knock back effect (for example in icewind dale it will be much less comfortable for paladin to do tanking on crowd of trolls that knocks back about all over the time)."
GF and OP shield are exactly the same as concerning knock back effects.Actually OP shield is superior that it offers 360 degrees.
"After a bubble change I think that paladin will become much more balanced and will not be as immortal as it was."
Binding oath and templar's wrath combo is the cultprint of its Immortallity.And these remained untouched.
"But GF with good all over the time shield blocking still can ignore all incoming into block damage and CC effects while healing himself."
They can't ignore all damage as you claim.Gf shield block 80% of damage.While healing?We have one daily for that FR.It is not as easy as you think.
"I think that this change will not be catastrophic for GF's self healing. Because you still can use wheel of elements and water artifact weapon to have very high health regeneration. "
well...i don't use Wheel of elements cause i need instant healing most of the times and not walk around in a circle to find i don't know what.Ι use Blood Crystal.(ok i am the exception in that)
As for water weapons i am not the exception in Dragon server most PVe Gfs use Twisted weapon set cause it is superior,PVP GFs use the drowned one.(And some Gfs know use Fire Set).
So you want to nerf a global skill-ability of GFs and then to recompensate you say to us to refine an wheel and a drowned set.
So you will dictate us our gear and what to equip.Well ,i 'll pass
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All these proposals of yours it is because you as an indivindual you do not find FR adequate cause you are tank specced and you do little damage.So FR is not very viable for you.So you came up with the proposal ,instead of you to gain some power an Arp,to nerf Gfs survivability i two servers ,so the changes to suit you.Great!!!
I did not meant anything personal nor we implied that you should not speak!
If my tone seemed aggressive to you,then i apologize.
You are in Drider server ,right?here in dragon there is a wide spread hatred towards GF since at least mod3.Everything said in forums that might enhances the "image" if a Gf that is overperforming(such as your statements that you are immortal),can be used ad-hoc by other known haters of GF class,to advocate for a nerf.
To all the points you said ,i answered with valid ,solid arguments.GF with out FR is dead meat in Orcus fight.
you made a comparison between OP and GF,i answered to all your arguments with my own.
Nothing personal, i greet and enjoy talking to all fellows GFs.
Wish you happy gaming and good loot!!!!
Peace!!!! \o/
edit:greetings to brother Russia from Greece!!! \o/
##Ps: am I understood everything right? Do you think that I play for paladin? No
Not sure what you want to accomplish by writing that text but I still think we should be focus on getting 2 classes that can tank, hold aggro and protect our teams rather then asking for nerfs to further one or the other...( no you dident).
(Sin)cerely
Kain
And do u think how many buffing DCs actually can outheal orcus? Coz Op will still dont bother with him, and will be able to take dps + de/fbuffers and u want to take away safeskill (FR) from GF, so he will be forced to take healer, and coz of that GF position will drop in party (yes yes, ITF, we all know nerfhammer is comming, coz of QQers like u).
So to ur idea: NO.
Go back on OP forum or whatever.
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Thank u.
(Sin)cerely
Kain""
I will enlighten you then.
First of all you even bothered to read properly you would know he is a Gf not a Pal.
So first of all, if OP dont need healer, also GF should have right to play without heal.
Mkay so pal should have high single target dps then as Gf has it, Gf is by tradition pure fighter and pal a hybrid between figher/dc which makes perfect sense for pals not needing dc while Gf does.
""U know, OP can have Oath 100% up and temp hp will still sulk in every kind of incoming dmg""
You mean that with 14k + in recovery and geared 3.5k+ that is possible while sacrificing most other stats, hardly something other then in extreme exceptions.
and temp hp will still sulk in every kind of incoming dmg
No temp hp will save you from 600k+ hits even less 1 mil hits that are being dealt out nowdays by several boss mobs.
(yes yes, ITF, we all know nerfhammer is comming, coz of QQers like u)
Atm they are BUFFING the Gf class, being a bit paranoid are we not....
If u want healer take OP, they r perfect, brainless heal totem
(Sin)cerely
Kain
100% True.
Yes you are very neutral indeed.....
BTW have u seen what dmg could OP do with Oath till now? One hit bosses? And u call gf having high single target? Also OP is immortal by default, while GF can be only coz of reling on 1 skill, and u still need to build around it, since prot wont have so much benefits as conq, ale drop shield for 1 sec to long and u r done for, FR can outheal 200k hit in face.
What a BS.
(Sin)cerely
Kain
Not at all, i barely manage that class compared to my GF or GWF, still, i can tank orcus without problem, and... do u rly want to nerf everything into ground? To be even? What a logic is that, its gardner's dog thinking, "i cant have it so i wont let u either". No, it should not be like that, if OP can have option to be immortal if he is smart enough to play light, so should GF be able to.
I love how u r saying that healer is not needed coz of tanks being immortal, but maybe look at this from the pov of dps, which not always have enough LS and dp ot outheal themselves while dealing dps,s o they need additional heal, while tank may not, its great, only 4 targets to focus on.
Beside that, we r lvling our IL for a reason, if 4k can do what 3k cant, thants rly good. But if u dont see difference between 3k and 4k (in this case, 3k gf rarely can sustain himself with FR only in CN, 3.5-3k i know will do it, also 2k gf will never survive orcus with 2k il, coz of lack of hp, lack of defense and prolly dont even have enough pp to buy r4 powers he needs) why get better IL and progress? Soon we will have gear we dont need to gear, coz classes r nerfed so bad there is no difference between 2k and 4k. If u pushed so much time or/and manies into class u should be able to feels like superhero compared to 2k, otherways why get 4k?
EDIT: OMFG, i cant believe i messed Light with Justice. Ofc i meant justice in my prev post.
(Sin)cerely
Kain
I like the changes they are coming for GFs. And i loooove the nerf of the bubbledin. Finall they nerfed this scrap perma bubbledin!
but with good timing and knowledge of boss attacks u can play conqueror do decent dmg, while keeping agrro and buffing decently (80% DR), but its not easy or u know when to attack, when to block and avoid a hit or u die fast.
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