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UK soon to ban Loot Boxes for minors?

tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,057 Arc User
UK Parliament committee sent report in recommended to categorize loot boxes AS gambling and to ban it for minors. Grains of sand...

Yong Yea's vid about it... links in vid for sources.



Can't wait when vid games end "surprise mechanics" in games.

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  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 1,233 Arc User
    edited September 13
    Personally, as long as they show the odds, I have no problem with lockboxes in games. Still do not understand the furor. So I do not want surprise mechanics to leave unless the developer decides to end the practice by themselves.
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  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 34,483 Arc User
    I wouldn't get too excited. Parliament's currently prorogued and it'll be a month before any new legislation can be brought forward. Also, UK is different to US in that Parliamentary Committee recommendations have absolutely no bearing on legislation. They just recommend legislative action to the gov so the gov can ignore it.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,950 Arc User
    But how can a company that deals with Loot Boxes determine if a player is a minor or not? Facial recognition using web cams is possible, but that level of surveillance is something I don't ever want to see.
  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 10,590 Arc User
    Boris Johnson won't pass any ban that impacts businesses. The toad of toad hall is a blue blood son of a baron and does not know or care about poor people or kids.
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  • shadowfang240shadowfang240 Member Posts: 33,273 Arc User
    parliament has far bigger concerns to be dealing with than video game nonsense...like that major-thing-going-on-in-britain-that-can't-be-named-because-politics​​
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 8,660 Arc User
    Why is it that every time some YouTube Yahoo gets up on his virtual soapbox and announces that his Inside Information is that dropboxes are all going away (because there's no difference between the boxes in STO and the implementation of them in EA games, of course), we have to be subjected to yet another thread pushing misinformed nonsense on us?

    I know this is going to come as a shock to some of you, but the vast majority of humans don't give a Tellarite's TRIBBLE about dropboxes in video games, and aren't even aware that STO is a thing. They're not champing at the bit to free us of the tyranny of boxes full of unnecessary fluff.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,950 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Why is it that every time some YouTube Yahoo gets up on his virtual soapbox and announces that his Inside Information is that dropboxes are all going away (because there's no difference between the boxes in STO and the implementation of them in EA games, of course), we have to be subjected to yet another thread pushing misinformed nonsense on us?

    I know this is going to come as a shock to some of you, but the vast majority of humans don't give a Tellarite's TRIBBLE about dropboxes in video games, and aren't even aware that STO is a thing. They're not champing at the bit to free us of the tyranny of boxes full of unnecessary fluff.

  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 34,259 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    But how can a company that deals with Loot Boxes determine if a player is a minor or not? Facial recognition using web cams is possible, but that level of surveillance is something I don't ever want to see.
    Add a check box to the Terms of Service to verify age.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,950 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    But how can a company that deals with Loot Boxes determine if a player is a minor or not? Facial recognition using web cams is possible, but that level of surveillance is something I don't ever want to see.
    Add a check box to the Terms of Service to verify age.

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  • thunderfoot006thunderfoot006 Member Posts: 4,105 Arc User
    "Ban Lock Boxes In STO!" really should have been placed on the F.C.T. list by now.

    The only way to prevent children from making unnecessary purchases in any online game is:
    for their parents to properly supervise said children.

    I know, right? This is such a dangerously radical idea. Who knew having children would require one to guide and teach them for the first part of their life? Isn't this what a government is supposed to do? Why'd we elect those losers if they're not gonna teach our kids right from wrong?
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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,651 Arc User
    edited September 15
    It's the job of the parent/parents to make sure their kids are not buying lootboxes.
  • oldspicemikeoldspicemike Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    It's the job of the parent/parents to make sure their kids are not buying lootboxes.

    Tell that to the parents of the kid who spent $10k of his parents money on microtransactions.
  • shadowfang240shadowfang240 Member Posts: 33,273 Arc User
    oh, i don't think anyone needs to do that - i'm sure they found out right quick after they got the bill...and then no one found the kid ever again​​
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  • oldspicemikeoldspicemike Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    oh, i don't think anyone needs to do that - i'm sure they found out right quick after they got the bill...and then no one found the kid ever again​​

    I have to lookup the video for it but I think it was a couple years ago when this happened. The parents didn't get a refund either I don't think. You know that kid got grounded for life after that....
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 34,259 Arc User
    oh, i don't think anyone needs to do that - i'm sure they found out right quick after they got the bill...and then no one found the kid ever again​​
    I have to lookup the video for it but I think it was a couple years ago when this happened. The parents didn't get a refund either I don't think. You know that kid got grounded for life after that....
    And the parents in question were 100% to blame as they let the kid spend their money without supervision. The fact that it was digital trinkets makes it worse, but if they'd done that to let their kid, for example, buy toys at a digital retailer, it'd still be stupid and careless of them.
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,270 Arc User
    Tell that to the parents of the kid who spent $10k of his parents money on microtransactions.

    100% unequivocally the parents fault.

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  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 10,590 Arc User
    > @oldspicemike said:
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    > Tell that to the parents of the kid who spent $10k of his parents money on microtransactions.

    Give me their address and I'll call them TRIBBLE parents in person.
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 37,701 Arc User
    I'm sure there will eventually be legislation in the UK for lootboxes, but its probably going to be a few months or a year before any legislation gets traction, since they've got that deal going on and that person in charge of the country has a few screws loose.
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,270 Arc User
    westx211 wrote: »
    I'm sure there will eventually be legislation in the UK for lootboxes, but its probably going to be a few months or a year before any legislation gets traction, since they've got that deal going on and that person in charge of the country has a few screws loose.

    In that event, everyone should not at all be shocked by the commensurate whining and complaining about;
    1. Prices in the C-Store going up
    2. Having to pay for expansion content
    3. "New and improved" lootboxes
    4. Whatever other method gaming companies use to recoup the lost income from lootboxes getting banned

    I get it and totally agree implementations like EA tried being bad and that kind of lootbox should get banned, but I don't think the way they are implemented in STO is bad.


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  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 10,590 Arc User
    > @westx211 said:
    > I'm sure there will eventually be legislation in the UK for lootboxes, but its probably going to be a few months or a year before any legislation gets traction, since they've got that deal going on and that person in charge of the country has a few screws loose.

    Botis can't even pass something over half the country voted for. He won't pass anything else either.
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  • foxman00foxman00 Member Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 19
    valoreah wrote: »
    westx211 wrote: »
    I'm sure there will eventually be legislation in the UK for lootboxes, but its probably going to be a few months or a year before any legislation gets traction, since they've got that deal going on and that person in charge of the country has a few screws loose.

    In that event, everyone should not at all be shocked by the commensurate whining and complaining about;
    1. Prices in the C-Store going up
    2. Having to pay for expansion content
    3. "New and improved" lootboxes
    4. Whatever other method gaming companies use to recoup the lost income from lootboxes getting banned

    I get it and totally agree implementations like EA tried being bad and that kind of lootbox should get banned, but I don't think the way they are implemented in STO is bad.


    Agreed. EA version of lockboxes should be nuked from Orbit. However other games boxes like STO and similar are not bad at all. Evertything is optional, not needed for gameplay. It's a nice to have. Also, while it might take you a while, you can grind ingame to get the necessary resources to get the items.
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  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 837 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    westx211 wrote: »
    I'm sure there will eventually be legislation in the UK for lootboxes, but its probably going to be a few months or a year before any legislation gets traction, since they've got that deal going on and that person in charge of the country has a few screws loose.

    In that event, everyone should not at all be shocked by the commensurate whining and complaining about;
    1. Prices in the C-Store going up
    2. Having to pay for expansion content
    3. "New and improved" lootboxes
    4. Whatever other method gaming companies use to recoup the lost income from lootboxes getting banned

    I get it and totally agree implementations like EA tried being bad and that kind of lootbox should get banned, but I don't think the way they are implemented in STO is bad.


    I find it more likely that some MMO's would get pulled altogether if lootboxes and their equivalents would be banned because their whole monetization depends on those gambles.

    I'm still not against some sort of enforcement or ban on these. I'm also sure that a good amount of kids who were "manipulated" actually knew what they were doing. It's easy for them to convince naive or less educated parents that they did not know.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 34,259 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    westx211 wrote: »
    I'm sure there will eventually be legislation in the UK for lootboxes, but its probably going to be a few months or a year before any legislation gets traction, since they've got that deal going on and that person in charge of the country has a few screws loose.
    In that event, everyone should not at all be shocked by the commensurate whining and complaining about;
    1. Prices in the C-Store going up
    2. Having to pay for expansion content
    3. "New and improved" lootboxes
    4. Whatever other method gaming companies use to recoup the lost income from lootboxes getting banned

    I get it and totally agree implementations like EA tried being bad and that kind of lootbox should get banned, but I don't think the way they are implemented in STO is bad.
    I find it more likely that some MMO's would get pulled altogether if lootboxes and their equivalents would be banned because their whole monetization depends on those gambles.

    I'm still not against some sort of enforcement or ban on these. I'm also sure that a good amount of kids who were "manipulated" actually knew what they were doing. It's easy for them to convince naive or less educated parents that they did not know.
    Like the infamous smurfberries incident. Did the kid know how much money they were spending? Or had the kid simply not paid attention?
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 12,800 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    westx211 wrote: »
    I'm sure there will eventually be legislation in the UK for lootboxes, but its probably going to be a few months or a year before any legislation gets traction, since they've got that deal going on and that person in charge of the country has a few screws loose.

    In that event, everyone should not at all be shocked by the commensurate whining and complaining about;
    1. Prices in the C-Store going up
    2. Having to pay for expansion content
    3. "New and improved" lootboxes
    4. Whatever other method gaming companies use to recoup the lost income from lootboxes getting banned

    I get it and totally agree implementations like EA tried being bad and that kind of lootbox should get banned, but I don't think the way they are implemented in STO is bad.


    I find it more likely that some MMO's would get pulled altogether if lootboxes and their equivalents would be banned because their whole monetization depends on those gambles.

    I'm still not against some sort of enforcement or ban on these. I'm also sure that a good amount of kids who were "manipulated" actually knew what they were doing. It's easy for them to convince naive or less educated parents that they did not know.

    Absolutely agree. Some of this DOES come down to the 'it's always someone else's fault' society we live in.
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,270 Arc User
    I find it more likely that some MMO's would get pulled altogether if lootboxes and their equivalents would be banned because their whole monetization depends on those gambles.

    Agreed. No doubt there will be games that just disappear when they lose that revenue.
    I'm still not against some sort of enforcement or ban on these. I'm also sure that a good amount of kids who were "manipulated" actually knew what they were doing. It's easy for them to convince naive or less educated parents that they did not know.

    This is called life. Some lessons are painful.
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,270 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Absolutely agree. Some of this DOES come down to the 'it's always someone else's fault' society we live in.

    If I could upvote this a thousand times, I would.

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  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 837 Arc User
    edited September 25
    IMO it'd already help if lock- and promoboxes would get their chances tweaked. It'd still be luck-based of course, but it'd be nicer if a certain amount of boxes would guarantee at least one Grand Prize (like 50 LB, 30 PB). People would still buy keys and still open boxes, perhaps even more so in order to get ships for their alts or to directly sell on the Exchange.

    It would sure mean a huge drop in prices on the Exchange, but that would be acceptable IMO.
  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 10,270 Arc User
    The only way to decrease the price on the exchange is to increase the supply. No way Cryptic/PWE are going to make it easier to get the stuff.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,006 Arc User
    They should ban stupid parents letting kids use their credit cards. That is all.
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