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Pretty sure it's already been asked for. But a way to find out who the seller is of an item on the exchange would be great. That way you know, you could message them, maybe haggle a little. Like theres a ship that I want that keeps getting listed and expiring cause of the price the person has it listed at. But if I could message them and make an offer. Maybe a deal could be worked out and everyone would be happy.
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If the seller wishes to haggle, they can do so in trade channels.
I'll third waprangel's objection. No spam, no thanks.
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That said, I wouldn't mind a separate auction or dutch auction function where people could bid on items, like an ebay listing, where the seller could have a hidden reserve price and set the number of days (up to some limit) that the auction stays open.
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Worst idea ever.
If I wanted to haggle i'd go into one of the many Trade Channels set up for that purpose by people in game. If I put it up on the Exchange, I just want to sell it at the listed price. <--- If that's still too high for you, DON'T click 'Buy'.
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Supply and Demand at play. If its an older T6 ship, then there's probably not that many on the exchange. Of course without knowing exactly which ship it is you're looking for it would be hard to firmly nail down if its low supply or one of those ships that are in a choice box.
You try looking up a Prototype Dreadnought Cruiser, you'd probably get very few results. But if you look up the choice box (name eludes me atm) that that ship is in... might get more results at the average price of a T6.
Don't forget we also have to consider how many are available, most of which are only available when we have Infinity Boxes dropping.
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I'd go with this idea here. It works for all parties involved.
As to the exchange itself. Ehh, most everything on it is so overpriced it's not even worth be worth messaging the seller. Most of the reason for that, is people lurking on the Exchange. When something good comes up at a decent price, they buy it, then post it again for an super inflated price, for instance, just check most of the T6 ships. Which this is funny, since 90% of the time, it's the same people buying and reselling ship and such to each other. This is where messaging the seller becomes useless, since they aren't going to drop their price.
The price for ships can be easily figured, especially on lockbox and lobi ships. Lobi, more so, since you get a minimum of 4 lobi per lock box. Ships cost 900 lobi.
900/4 = 56.25. So roughly a miminum of 56 lockboxes to get that ship
Keys are currently running at an average of 4.4 million per.
56x4,400,000 = 246,400,000.
So any lobi ship above 300,000,000 tops, is nothing but a pure rip off.
Lockboxes are a bit harder to figure the price on. As they generally tend to be a 1:200 chance.
Just using the base 1:200, means just on key cost they're 880,000,000. Assuming the person has seriously bad luck with the RNG and only get that 1 ship out of the 200 lockboxes. But this is just if you didn't get anything out of the lock box, except lobi and a chance at a ship. However, this is not the case, there are other things in the lockbox that you get. Thus, the cost of that ship is actually lower, as they get things that make up for the key buying. So, we can safely knock 380mil of the price tag of that ship, from profits made from everything else in the said lockbox. But these actually vary in price, most going 200-500mil as it is. This is also dependent on the popularity of the ship.
The same thing happens on the dilex, with people buying for low prices and selling for high prices, all they do it jack up the market and make it harder on people. Remember here that the dilex is a minimum of 25 dil per Zen and caps out of 500 per. So the happy medium should be in the 250 to 275 range.
The way to beat them, is to know things like this, and don't buy into their game.
The only ships worth the high end price tags are the Promo R&D box ships. Since those really are a pain to come by.
If you're going to be a consumer, at least be smart about it. This way, you're not getting bent over and rammed. Which, people forget, in a consumer market, the consumer has the power, not the seller.
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There are trade channels where barter occurs. Ask on Chat and someone will give you the channel.
It takes an average of 250 lock boxes to get one ship.
Exchange sales expire in a few days, there's no such thing as a listing that lasts for months. If you're seeing a ship at that price for months on end then either:
- It IS selling at that price, and people are supply replacement listings
- It isn't selling, but the seller just is not interested in accepting a lower price. If they would accept a lower price then they would not keep listing at the highest price for "months"
You have no way to know which it is.
Just because you only want to pay $x does not mean that anyone wants to sell it to you at that price.
As mentioned above, go to the trade channel if you want to haggle,
Ok, here's the deal man.. it seems like you're a new player and you're a little frustrated with the price of some items.
I get that.. I really do.
The thing is, once you have been playing for a while and you learn the 'ins and outs' of the game.. you'll start finding better and better ways to make Energy Credits. What you currently consider 'descent EC for a T6 ship' might only be your opinion and not in line with the actual in game value of that item. If the seller is listing his item over the actual value, he simply won't be able to sell it and will eventually have to lower the price.
The value of these items is based purely on one factor alone and that's how much people are willing to pay. You may not be willing to pay this amount, but other people probably are and that's why it's listed where it is. If it's unfairly listed, no one will buy it and he/she will eventually lower the price unless they just decide to keep the ship.
If you're that intent on haggling, you can always just make your offer in Zone Chat. Post a 'WTB' (Want to buy) offer and see if anyone takes it. Something like 'WTB Ship X - XXXM EC.' and see if someone wants to sell for that amount. I will warn you though, if you're posting an offer that's far less then the exchange value you will probably take some heat from people laughing at your offer. The exchange value in most cases is the current excepted value of the ship.. you have very little chance of buying it for a significantly lower price.
Good luck.
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Quietly waiting for the day Cryptic uses the item listed value price plus a limited multiplier for a maximum selling price and takes a tax out of each transaction to help deflate the greed factor. Just sayin... In some universe that is happening now methinks.
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In fairness to us, the OP is motivated by not wanting to pay exchange prices for a ship:
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OP hopes that haggling would work, but market forces say otherwise.
The trade channel and zone chat have already been mentioned, and we're going to go in circles in the usual debate over whether exchange prices are based on supply and demand or dark forces / "the Comic Book Guy mafia." Perhaps this should just be closed?
I remember when I opened a Lock Box and was awarded a D4X. Which was announced to everyone in the game at the time as normal. I was immediately barraged with offers to buy it, Friend Requests, Invites to Fleets, marriage proposals, propositions, naming rights to someone's firstborn, trades, and a bunch of other things which rules on this family friendly forum will not allow me to post. I'd rather not go through such an experience because someone wants to offer me 10 EC for a Lock Box item which is the current flavor of the week. Instead of paying what the playerbase has determined is the current fair market value for it.
If I offer something for sale on the Exchange at a certain price, then I have a reasonable expectation it will sell at that price. If it does not sell, then it returns to me and I can then offer it again at an adjusted price. Acting in this manner does not make me into a greedy capitalist Sith Lord bent on achieving world domination through a PC game.
There are numerous ways to earn EC in this game which have all been discussed many times in these forums. So there is no need to list them again here. The problem here is not the ship is too expensive for you. The problem is the ship is too expensive for you right now. Your options to successfully purchase this item are: 1) RL Currency invested into the game. 2) Play this game long enough to acquire enough EC to purchase the ship. 3) Go into the various trade channels. 4) Do without the item.
By posting a complaint here, disguised as a way to "help others", you show the rest of us you are not willing to do any of these and you have unreasonable expectations of the rest of us.
thats what we have trading chat channels and zone chat eh?
Exactly.
The idea that selling something for fair market value makes the seller greedy or 'evil' is frankly laughable.