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I actually managed to just miss the carrier from last year, so one of my characters is finishing off the carrier, while another is doing the T6 cruiser.
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Just a thought, we're going to destroy the Krenim ship, right?
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And no reason to go back in time to save them! Congratulations, through temporal mechanics, you just let these "Peaceful" Iconians die by saving them.
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Yes, because if the Iconians were TRULY peaceful, they could have, I don't know, let it go and moved on instead of building up a big doom ball to destroy the galaxy in 200,000 years.
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Another interesting way to take them down is Red Matter. It might take a while to mine some more decalithium, (as we don't have the jellyfish anymore) but we could stockpile it should the war re-ignite. (which I do see as probable) But...here's a question. What happens when they do try to take the world heart? Also,…
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And she yells at me for logical fallacies while not breaking the argument set forth by starsword, which the worst bltrrn did was agree with her. Oh what a travesty that he actually holds an opinion that is counter to yours. Telling from your post, he probably committed (albeit fictional) a war crime of some nature, but…
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Wow...someone with some sense of reality that isn't so "enlightened" they're blinded by it. I entirely agree with you (with some reservations) First, I do agree that we can remove both Sela and The Iconians, but the Iconians must be dealt with first. They are the more immediate threat, and Sela did just bring you…
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[/quote] Actually, after a week and a half of mulling through the ideas, I think the idea of beaming them to YOUR ship and taking them to the future is actually the best idea out of all of them. (even though I still support the idea of killing them if no other alternatives (like this) were brought up). By taking them with…
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In the end, I personally think that saying "the ends never justify the means" is just as stupid as saying "the end ALWAYS justifies the means" this attack was out of desperation. Desperation to save lives, desperation to prevent a menace from rolling across the galaxy, destroying everything in its wake. Having to destroy…
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I wasn't sympathetic to them until this episode.
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Which means that anyone, regardless of "enlightenment" can still be a good guy or a bad guy, and the line is not as clear as anyone might want to admit. I don't think the humans on the planet would like to lose their lives because someone couldn't do what was necessary. This is one of those moments when one like "The…
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No, I legitimately think that it's a bad idea to let them live, as if they live, we die. Period. Don't forget as well, there are always exceptions to the rule, Section 31 anyone? And just because I don't hold the same opinion as the rest of you, does that mean that I don't like Trek, or represent the opinions of humans in…
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I do have familiarity with the history of "Doctor Who", and my Brother is a big "New who" fan. Personally, I have also watched it, and I remember an episode with the 12th doctor in which the moon begins to hatch. The choice is kill the moon or let it hatch, and I agreed with every single person on earth in saying to kill…
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The only thing I can think of is the revelation that there are civilians, and that they weren't (as) horrible back then. Another thing is that you learn who will use the weapon, (You and...sela...it all comes back to Sela doesn't it?) and how it will be used. The only other thing is it doesn't become us or them, but…
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I have read them all, I guess the main difference between the two views, is that, especially in this situation, three quotes stick out. The first from Curtis LeMay, a U.S. Air Force General. "There are no innocent civilians. It is their government and you are fighting a people, you are not trying to fight an armed force…
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Romulan arrogance at its finest, ladies and gentlemen. (In character) Why, why didn't we destroy them when we had the chance? Kagren's plan was sound. Strategically, it was a good choice, because no one knew about nor cared about the significance of any "world heart", as we weren't supposed to take Iconian tech back with…
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Would you be willing to risk the safety of the galaxy hoping that the ones who slaughtered millions, irrespective of who they are, whether through proxies, or directly, destroyed and devastated planets, and almost committed genocide, would just drop this grudge that they have held against all other life in the galaxy for…
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And yet the Iconians get off scotfree for worse.
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Not only that, but it would have left the Iconians themselves to their fate. Hell, I still say if Sela hadn't attacked them the way she did, the Iconians would be dead.
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If Sela had been imprisoned earlier, and not been allowed to time travel, and not attacked the Iconians, the Iconians would be dead.
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No she wasn't, The rest gave up the grudge, but they ALL went to war, otherwise this "Peace" wouldn't have solved anything, because the only one at war would have still had all the forces, and would have crushed us immediately. Otherwise, if M'tara wasn't at war, why would we need to kill her? Plus, if I remember…
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No it wouldn't stop them. Why? Because it wasn't just T'ket who went into war mode. T'ket may have been the first and most adamant, but she wouldn't be the ONLY one. First, consider that if they really were just against Sela, why didn't they just kidnap her? Why didn't they just blow up Romulus? Why did the rest of the…
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You didn't answer my question. Would you be willing to risk the safety of the galaxy hoping that the ones who slaughtered millions, irrespective of who they are, whether through proxies, or directly, destroyed and devastated planets, and almost committed genocide, would just drop this grudge that they have held against all…
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Have fun serving the Iconians! Because if we fail, all those words will be meaningless. Also, "MAY" commit? No harm to anyone? YOU LIVED THROUGH IT. MAY? No, DID. Tell that to the Preservers, tell that to your tactical officer who had a friend on the Stardancer. Because clearly the Iconians are more important to your…
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Didn't Noye say that we would sending a person back to the past to help direct the timeline? That would cut down on the randomness of the timeline dramatically. Better in my opinion to go along with the plan and unknowingly and unintentionally prevent the powers from existing, then to directly betray your mission, and…
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"Treason: Noun. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign." What else could aiding the enemies of the Alliance, Federation, Romulan Republic, AND Klingon Empire be? And JUSTICE? You want to lecture ME on Justice while THOUSANDS of crews who died valiantly to stop these monsters,…
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Yes, you committed treason and doomed the galaxy out of "Compassion". If you didn't grab the orb of peace, hell, if you never even KNEW about it, The Iconians would have destroyed the rest of the fleet, and conquered the rest of the galaxy. And before you say that my character would never do it because they're made of…
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Sela gave them the motive, you gave them the opportunity. Granted, I'm reffering to THIS crime, as there are others unrelated to this that she probably has to pay for, but if Sela must pay for giving the Iconians the MOTIVE to commit mass genocide, then you must pay for giving them the OPPORTUNITY to do so.
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If Sela should pay for her crimes than so should you. You are an accessory to the massacres of BILLIONS, and if by sheer luck you didn't have the world heart as a bargaining chip, you would have GUARANTEED been an accessory to genocide, or do you not remember what happens when the Iconians take Earth?
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Am I the only one who genuinely thought Sela was right? These are people who we know are going to destroy us, we know they actively hate us. Kagren's change of character also makes little sense, since he knows what's at stake. Didn't he say earlier that "Honor, duty, Freedom. These will only be words if we fail." Truth be…