Can somebody explain this to me about the Neo-Connie?

captainrc1 · November 19

While I like the Constitution III class, there's one thing bothering me about it.

Considering where the torpedo launchers are presumably positioned...

... how the heck does she avoid blowing off her own lower sensor dome?!?!?!

rattler2 · November 20

Honestly I wonder about that too. Only thing I can think of is that the tubes are angled down a bit so that it doesn't shoot STRAIGHT out, but at a downward angle to avoid the Sensor Dome. Torpedoes aren't dumbfire point and shoot weapons. They are guided munitions. So shifting the angle of the tubes to allow for clearing sections of the ship makes sense.

leemwatson · November 20

captainrc1 wrote: »

While I like the Constitution III class, there's one thing bothering me about it.

Considering where the torpedo launchers are presumably positioned...

... how the heck does she avoid blowing off her own lower sensor dome?!?!?!

As if I needed another reason to dislike the downgrade

In all seriousness, torp tube placement has always bothered me on alot of ships, usually canon ones too.

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rattler2 · November 20

Another ship that has an awkward Torpedo Launcher is the Ranger class. Behind the Bridge Dome. Can either say they're angled up to avoide it, or off to either side to avoide it.

Again guided munitions don't require a straight forward tube. It may help it get to its target slightly faster, but its not an absolute requirement.
Think of it like this, a Destroyer like the USS John Paul Jones in Battleship has warhead launchers. They're not pointing straight forward. They're pointing straight UP. Doesn't stop them from hitting their targets.

legendarylycan · November 20

It doesn't matter where the tubes are, because the torpedoes themselves have thrusters - in fact, the tubes needing to be 'lined up' on a target before a torpedo is launched is absolutely ridiculous. They should all be firing as soon as they're loaded regardless of which way the launching ship is pointing in relation to its target.

spiritborn · November 20

Also the animation for DSC era ships seems to fire back then curve forward (in-game that is).

Again guided munitions don't require a straight forward tube. It may help it get to its target slightly faster, but its not an absolute requirement.
Think of it like this, a Destroyer like the USS John Paul Jones in Battleship has warhead launchers. They're not pointing straight forward. They're pointing straight UP. Doesn't stop them from hitting their targets.

a lot dumb fire torpedo tubes IRL weren't directly forward or directly back but in an angle or sometimes to the side.

phoenixc · November 20

It is still better if they have a clear fire path straight to the target since they are not just dumped into space to accelerate totally on their own like the missiles in The Expanse, they are catapulted by presser beams according to both Roddenberry and Jefferies, so if the tubes are too far off target it would add a few seconds to the travel time, and in combat that could mean the difference between a hit or an interception.

questerius · November 20

I think you're all forgetting the obvious answer: the transphasic torpedoes just go straight through it.

theboxisred · 11:54AM

The real answer is that the people responsible for these decisions simply do not care.

This is further demonstrated by class names like Excelsior II and Constitution III.
Leaving the Excelsior II to the side, there are several obvious class names that would be a better fit than Constitution III an they would still evoke the Constitution Class:
The Liberty Class.
The Declaration Class.
The Amendment Class.
The Bill of Rights Class.
All of which would do the job of hearkening back to The Constitution Class.

Instead with Picard Season 3, in which the Constitution III makes its debut, we are given an "adventure" that seems more about a "filmmaker" who spends nearly every moment of screen time reminding the audience that the "filmmaker" has seen all the Star Treks.

This is why we have new(ish) ship designs based on the idea of Negative Space (truthfully this goes back to Star Trek III: The Search for Spock at the very least) and physically disconnected parts.
This is why you can go through the last several years worth of dialogue and find lines lifted from all properties science fiction no matter how out of place the dialogue/line reading come off (Loriss to Bashir, "This one goes here, that one goes there," in a voice that is suddenly quite harsh while Bashir remains professional. Special Thanks to The Empire Strikes Back).
Finally, this is why the torpedo tube on the Constitution III is so thoughtlessly positioned.

The people responsible for these decisions simply do not care.

jonsills · 9:58PM

theboxisred wrote: »

The real answer is that the people responsible for these decisions simply do not care.

This is further demonstrated by class names like Excelsior II and Constitution III.
Leaving the Excelsior II to the side, there are several obvious class names that would be a better fit than Constitution III an they would still evoke the Constitution Class:
The Liberty Class.
The Declaration Class.
The Amendment Class.
The Bill of Rights Class.
All of which would do the job of hearkening back to The Constitution Class.

Instead with Picard Season 3, in which the Constitution III makes its debut, we are given an "adventure" that seems more about a "filmmaker" who spends nearly every moment of screen time reminding the audience that the "filmmaker" has seen all the Star Treks.

This is why we have new(ish) ship designs based on the idea of Negative Space (truthfully this goes back to Star Trek III: The Search for Spock at the very least) and physically disconnected parts.
This is why you can go through the last several years worth of dialogue and find lines lifted from all properties science fiction no matter how out of place the dialogue/line reading come off (Loriss to Bashir, "This one goes here, that one goes there," in a voice that is suddenly quite harsh while Bashir remains professional. Special Thanks to The Empire Strikes Back).
Finally, this is why the torpedo tube on the Constitution III is so thoughtlessly positioned.

The people responsible for these decisions simply do not care.

Yeah, yeah, nobody cares, you're the last of the TruFans(tm), we've heard it all before. Give it a rest, is my vote.

foxman00 · 10:37PM

jonsills wrote: »

theboxisred wrote: »

The real answer is that the people responsible for these decisions simply do not care.

This is further demonstrated by class names like Excelsior II and Constitution III.
Leaving the Excelsior II to the side, there are several obvious class names that would be a better fit than Constitution III an they would still evoke the Constitution Class:
The Liberty Class.
The Declaration Class.
The Amendment Class.
The Bill of Rights Class.
All of which would do the job of hearkening back to The Constitution Class.

Instead with Picard Season 3, in which the Constitution III makes its debut, we are given an "adventure" that seems more about a "filmmaker" who spends nearly every moment of screen time reminding the audience that the "filmmaker" has seen all the Star Treks.

This is why we have new(ish) ship designs based on the idea of Negative Space (truthfully this goes back to Star Trek III: The Search for Spock at the very least) and physically disconnected parts.
This is why you can go through the last several years worth of dialogue and find lines lifted from all properties science fiction no matter how out of place the dialogue/line reading come off (Loriss to Bashir, "This one goes here, that one goes there," in a voice that is suddenly quite harsh while Bashir remains professional. Special Thanks to The Empire Strikes Back).
Finally, this is why the torpedo tube on the Constitution III is so thoughtlessly positioned.

The people responsible for these decisions simply do not care.

Yeah, yeah, nobody cares, you're the last of the TruFans(tm), we've heard it all before. Give it a rest, is my vote.

Also funny how they didn't mention any class names that are not from a singular Earth country, when they are very many other options in our history or the Federations history that could have been appropriate if the writers had decided to go with a different name.

(I know they will most likely counter any how the Constitution class name is from that same country

)

phoenixc · 10:57PM

The problem is that the new designs are done exclusively for the visual 'cool factor' with no regard to the function of what they are placing or what the engineering reasons for the features on the original models was. Jefferies was an engineer and designed with an eye for those details, so a lot of the more 'modern' ship designs look weird and non-functional to people used to and expecting the function-oriented logic of the original designs.

Can somebody explain this to me about the Neo-Connie?

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