"Quad damage" pack or put the ning'tao and ar'kala back on the c-store

kursed · September 5

I'm getting a little tired of spending dilthium getting the ning'tao and ar'kala warbird just to grab the quad cannons and the sao palo same so i'm thinking why not have a pack on the c-store that has all three of these ships for say 6000 Zen and if that's too high for 3 ships and not tier 6 ships lower the price or include some extras like upgrades or something..... the out of date wiki says that the ning'tao and Ar'kala were on the c-store at one time...

call it maybe the "QUAD DAMAGE" Pack? or is that too close to Quake?

krisxr400 · September 5

You forgot polaron quads, and don't agree with your suggestion.

davefenestrator · September 5

How many of them have you bought? You can get a single-character for 75,000 or 150,000 dil which is what, 150-300 zen each using the dil exchange?

azrael · September 6

Yeah--it's not too hard to farm 100,000 dil or so. Especially if you have a bunch of alts. Consider you can refine up to 8500 dil per day per toon (the extra 500 is if you're in a fleet with at least a tier I dilithium mine).

kursed · September 6

azrael#9500 wrote: »

Yeah--it's not too hard to farm 100,000 dil or so. Especially if you have a bunch of alts. Consider you can refine up to 8500 dil per day per toon (the extra 500 is if you're in a fleet with at least a tier I dilithium mine).

tier II

kursed · September 6

krisxr400 wrote: »

You forgot polaron quads, and don't agree with your suggestion.

there's a polaron one? there should also be a tetryon one.

rattler2 · September 6

I believe the Polaron Quad comes off the Legendary Bugship.

inferiority · September 6

Let's remember that the former Z-Store T1-T4 ships now act as a Dilithium sink.

Saying that, I think there does need to be a way for these to be unlocked for the account. Many of us have been around a long time and already unlocked some/all of these ships and newer players deserve to have that chance too.

Perhaps we could have the option to purchase these ships for a character at their current Dilithium cost, but for the whole account at "750 or 500 Dil-per-Zen" of the original cost. The one thing I would suggest here would be that Dilithium discounts from sales and Fleet Mine would continue to apply to the character-specific unlock, but that they would not apply to the Account-unlock. (I know that's not going to make me too popular, but that Dilithium sink needs to exist!)

kursed · September 6

inferiority wrote: »

Let's remember that the former Z-Store T1-T4 ships now act as a Dilithium sink.

Saying that, I think there does need to be a way for these to be unlocked for the account. Many of us have been around a long time and already unlocked some/all of these ships and newer players deserve to have that chance too.

Perhaps we could have the option to purchase these ships for a character at their current Dilithium cost, but for the whole account at "750 or 500 Dil-per-Zen" of the original cost. The one thing I would suggest here would be that Dilithium discounts from sales and Fleet Mine would continue to apply to the character-specific unlock, but that they would not apply to the Account-unlock. (I know that's not going to make me too popular, but that Dilithium sink needs to exist!)

i would agree with that maybe even as individual ships instead of a bundle, but i don't agree with the price because honestly the PC zen/dilthium exchange is borked.

though because of how the ships are i think this is how it should go

Ning'tao 2000 zen or less (it's tier 3)
Ar'kala 2000-3000 (tier4)
legendary defiant (6000) because it's separate

Sao paulo escort 2000-3000 (tier 4 again)

I'm not sure on the polaron quad cannons maybe a 6000 zen individual verson???

as for tetryon quad cannon perhaps here is an idea

Ferasan panthera class-cruiser (T6). Lore: Combining the best of the KDF and Ferasan technology the Panthera class cruiser is a new design combining some of the best tech the KDF and the FDV have, this cruiser comes with the reailgun destablizer universal consle (https://stowiki.net/wiki/Console_-_Universal_-_Railgun_Destabilizer_Module c) combined with the raigun experimental weapon 4 aft weapons Include 2 Tetryon turrets and 2 Tetryon beam arrays for Fore weapons the Panthera comes equipped with 1 tetryon quad cannon 1 dual tetryon beam bank and 2 tetryon dual cannons. The panthera is equiped with a battle cloak.

lianthelia · September 7

kursed#7599 wrote: »

krisxr400 wrote: »

You forgot polaron quads, and don't agree with your suggestion.

there's a polaron one? there should also be a tetryon one.

Good luck with that lol

Unfortunately they have completely neglected tetryon for years except for the tholian set...there also isn't a set of antiproton quads

rattler2 · September 7

Surprisingly though, Tetryon has gotten a lot of support compared to Polaron and AP. There's even the Tzenkethi mission reward set and Lobi set with a Tetryon Torpedo.

I think people kinda ignore Tetryon though because its base proc is extra shield damage, which becomes useless when the shields are down. And most high end builds are like "what shields? They're already dead."

And I THINK Tetryon also has one of the longest range weapons in the game too.

https://stowiki.net/wiki/Apex_Predator#Long-Range_Destabilized_Tetryon_Heavy_Cannon
From the Lobi Store.

lianthelia · September 7

Well I mean there is only a handful of types of tetryon and every other type has triple or more options...the procs are awful, every one of them has shield effects which are useless because either you melt a target's shields or they remain up until your target dies

Don't understand why they can't give tetryon more variety, I mean every other damage type has at least some variety...not every polaron type is about draining power, not every plasma is about a dot...ect ect

kursed · September 7

plasma-tetryon hybrid?

also there's a few like resonating and antichroniton and refracting.

https://stowiki.net/wiki/Refracting_Tetryon_weapons_(space)

https://stowiki.net/wiki/Resonating_Tetryon_weapons_(space)

also this set

https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Krenim_Temporal_Manipulation#Omni-Directional_Antichroniton_Infused_Tetryon_Beam_Array

phoenixc · September 7

lianthelia wrote: »

Well I mean there is only a handful of types of tetryon and every other type has triple or more options...the procs are awful, every one of them has shield effects which are useless because either you melt a target's shields or they remain up until your target dies

Don't understand why they can't give tetryon more variety, I mean every other damage type has at least some variety...not every polaron type is about draining power, not every plasma is about a dot...ect ect

True enough, though there is actually at least one that does not proc shield damage, the Antichroniton Infused Tetryon from the Krenim Temporal Manipulation set, instead the proc for that is extra damage which is shield-ignoring (though even with both the omni and the turret mounted at the same time it is hardly noticeable). And just recently there is the omni from an event which rezzes shield buff crystals.

Still, besides proton it is probably the least developed energy type. In pure energy builds it is often rather lackluster, but it does fairly well in mixed energy/kinetic builds where the tetryon knocks down the shields and the torps kill the ship, especially with the torpedo and console from the phaser Quantum Phase Catalysts set to boost the shield stripping (and if there wasn't the one per ship restriction then phaser would blow tetryon away altogether at tetryon's own specialty).

I get the feeling that the long-range tetryon cannon is supposed to take the place of a quad cannon for the energy type, possibly since tetryon does not have the extra DPS punch that is so good for knife fighting ranges.

darpendragon · September 8

kursed#7599 wrote: »

I'm getting a little tired of spending dilthium getting the ning'tao and ar'kala warbird just to grab the quad cannons and the sao palo same so i'm thinking why not have a pack on the c-store that has all three of these ships for say 6000 Zen and if that's too high for 3 ships and not tier 6 ships lower the price or include some extras like upgrades or something..... the out of date wiki says that the ning'tao and Ar'kala were on the c-store at one time...

call it maybe the "QUAD DAMAGE" Pack? or is that too close to Quake?

Not sure if you are aware that there are other versions of the disruptor and phaser quad cannons.

The Rapid-Linked Disruptor Quad Cannons ( https://stowiki.net/wiki/Rapid-Linked_Disruptor_Quad_Cannons ) and the Overload-Linked Phaser Quad Cannons ( https://stowiki.net/wiki/Overload-Linked_Phaser_Quad_Cannons ) that you get from Legendary Battlecruiser Bundle ( https://stowiki.net/wiki/Legendary_Battlecruiser_Bundle )

Also there is the Agony Phaser Quad Cannons that you get from Terran Adamant Intel Heavy Raider ( https://stowiki.net/wiki/Terran_Adamant_Intel_Heavy_Raider )

"Quad damage" pack or put the ning'tao and ar'kala back on the c-store

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