A bundle commemorating the ships which fought at Wolf 359 is a wonderful idea! And here's hoping Cryptic releases this in two versions as well. A full on version which has all the ships. As well as a "Lite" version which has the ships which I do not already have access to.
Considering the previous two Anniversary Packs allowed for single ship purchase (not counting the lockbox ships they included) I think its safe to say you can get what you want out of it.
Edit: I stand corrected it seems. Thought the Wolf359 ships were too unfamiliar to carry an anniversary bundle but it seems that it is the road taken,
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I really hope the T6 Cheyanne/Constellation isn't too engi heavy like the T5.
I'll play devil's advocate: Is that a bad thing these days with isomag consoles?
Well it's more the case with the boff seating that I have issues with.
EptX and certain traits can provide massive boosts.
IMO it's a bit narrow minded to only look at a large engineering boff seating as a liability.
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They've showcased the Challenger Class, and we're getting a remaster of the Lafayette/New Orleans and the Constellation. No indication that it is all there is. May still see Springfield and Freedom classes next week.
I really hope the T6 Cheyanne/Constellation isn't too engi heavy like the T5.
I'll play devil's advocate: Is that a bad thing these days with isomag consoles?
Well it's more the case with the boff seating that I have issues with.
EptX and certain traits can provide massive boosts.
IMO it's a bit narrow minded to only look at a large engineering boff seating as a liability.
That's not how I see it at all, I'm not looking at it in a "black and white" kind of way, if there's too many engineering seats without optional special spec and only little tac like say an lt seating then yes it is limiting, especially if it's the 1x ltcom and 3x lt kind of seating. I'm saying I don't want too much, not none at all.
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I think the main limiter is having to figure out three Ensign slots that don't share cooldowns. Its why the T5 Excelsior was not viewed favorably. It was VERY heavy on Engineering with not just a Commander and a Lieutenant Engie seat, but an Ensign as well. At least with the T6s if its also a specialist seat you can slot a Specialist power in for a bit more flexibility. But back then... there weren't specialist seats and we didn't have some of the extra trainable ensign level abilities, meaning you pretty much HAD to slot something that shared a cooldown with something else. Too many of one department can hamper build synergy. I think, and this is my opinion, that two is really the maximum you should have of any one department. Although with Specialist Seating being a thing too that isn't quite as much of an issue as it was with T5.
I saw the recent reveal of three more ships and I'm... even more surprised after I re-read it. It didn't say "revealing the last three ships", it just said "three more". Does that mean it's possible we could get more ships in this bundle? o_o
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I saw the recent reveal of three more ships and I'm... even more surprised after I re-read it. It didn't say "revealing the last three ships", it just said "three more". Does that mean it's possible we could get more ships in this bundle? o_o
I think at LEAST 2 more, Springfield and Freedom. Maybe 3 if they wanna throw in the Melbourn variant of the Nebula. Personally I think the Melbourn variant should be a free update to the Nebula line. Not really sure what they could do with another Nebula variant. We already got the Sutherland and the Monitor carrier.
I saw the recent reveal of three more ships and I'm... even more surprised after I re-read it. It didn't say "revealing the last three ships", it just said "three more". Does that mean it's possible we could get more ships in this bundle? o_o
I think at LEAST 2 more, Springfield and Freedom. Maybe 3 if they wanna throw in the Melbourn variant of the Nebula. Personally I think the Melbourn variant should be a free update to the Nebula line. Not really sure what they could do with another Nebula variant. We already got the Sutherland and the Monitor carrier.
I agree that the Nebula, if included, will only be a new skin.
That being said, the Nebula was originally going to be a cruiser but after community feedback it became a science ship.
Would be nice if there was a Science Dreadnought Nebula with benefits from both. Makes one think of the USS Phoenix.
I'm interested in the bundle with what i have seen so far, but it is not a bundle sale for me yet.
Depending on the rest of the content i may only pick up 1-2 ships with T6 coupons.
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I think at LEAST 2 more, Springfield and Freedom. Maybe 3 if they wanna throw in the Melbourn variant of the Nebula. Personally I think the Melbourn variant should be a free update to the Nebula line. Not really sure what they could do with another Nebula variant. We already got the Sutherland and the Monitor carrier.
The promo material so far looks like there's at least two spots left, so that lines up. If there's any more than that I'll be REALLY surprised. o_o It's amazing to see these many in an anniversary pack again! Props to everyone working on them!
Also I'm really excited to find out what all these ships are going to have!
The Bundle is set to be released on the 15th (Thursday) so Monday is probably the next reveal of ships followed by a stream showcasing everything.
This leaves us 2 days to complain/convince the devs to add more stuff prior to release.
That's what happened at the last anniversary bundle.
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I saw the recent reveal of three more ships and I'm... even more surprised after I re-read it. It didn't say "revealing the last three ships", it just said "three more". Does that mean it's possible we could get more ships in this bundle? o_o
I think at LEAST 2 more, Springfield and Freedom. Maybe 3 if they wanna throw in the Melbourn variant of the Nebula. Personally I think the Melbourn variant should be a free update to the Nebula line. Not really sure what they could do with another Nebula variant. We already got the Sutherland and the Monitor carrier.
I'd really like to see a more offense-focused Nebula, personally. I mean, the first one we saw on-screen was carving up Cardassian ships, not charting spacial anomalies or whatever. I'd even settle for a "science spearhead" variants; I'm running a Trailblazer as basically a cruiser with extra sci powers, and it works out pretty well.
Though what I've got my eye on so far is that... I think it's a 25th-century version of the Cheyenne? Looks really nice. If the stats are good enough and they do allow for buying the ships individually, I'm there.
I'm VERY curious if the Melbourne will be included in the pack or not, after taking a closer look at the model. I won't spoil it but it has a VERY interesting detail if it's what I think it is. o_o;
I'm VERY curious if the Melbourne will be included in the pack or not, after taking a closer look at the model. I won't spoil it but it has a VERY interesting detail if it's what I think it is. o_o;
It all depends on if the devs have found a niche for it.
There are several science variants and one carrier variant of the Nebula in the game already.
To add it as a full ship with new skin, console and trait it needs to be significantly different from the existing variants.
While i love the Nebula Class and fly its variants frequently, i feel that it will merely be a new skin for the Melbourne and not a full ship.
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I feel like the Melbourne skin will be saved as the exclusive skin for a Legendary Nebula in due course, probably sooner than later.
I'm intrigued by the stats for the new ships - visually speaking they look as fantastic as always from what little we can tell, but function will be key for me on grabbing the Bundle or not.
Unless it's Resolute levels of awful I'll be picking up the Ahwahnee at least, and I like the design language of the Springfield so that could be of interest. The Atlantis, Princeton and whatever they call the Freedom if it's in there don't grab me aesthetically despite the great-looking models, so they may be a harder sell for me.
We'll see.
Going by last year's schedule the last batch should be revealed on Monday or Tuesday.
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I feel like the Melbourne skin will be saved as the exclusive skin for a Legendary Nebula in due course, probably sooner than later.
The question for saving a skin like the Melbourne is whether 1) something else (ex. Ross-inspired Nebula) wouldn't be a better a bigger draw vs. bundling an additional Nebula variant in the Melbourne (it's not quite zero-sum) and 2) Cryptic wants to take on that extra skin project down the road.
It really depends on interest and strategy and there's not a whole lot to constrain their possible options to a point of "here's our likely guess" Ex. They could skip a new Nebula [any] and release the Melbourne skin independently to the tailor/fleet unlocks, like they have for some of the Miranda variants. They could also try something new and skip the exclusive ground costume of the last three anniversary bundles, instead marketing the Melbourne as an exclusive ship costume to the full bundle (artificial scarcity buffing interest and aligning the bundle's contents to space only, doing their best to follow up the 10th anniversary bundle with more limited timing/resources). Had the Constellation not been released yet, they could have marketed its inclusion here on that basis (as is, its just saving a dil-store buy).
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Why? Why TAL SHIAR???? It doesn't even fit the theme, who was the genius who thought we'd like that there? If it were a bundle, such a shiar would be great, but it's WOLF 359...
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I was surprised by the lack of Freedom class as well.
The Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer was a surprise. But I suppose since its adapted Borg Tech it makes sense. And it is old enough to include. As with the previous bundles they included an older lockbox ship.
From the little glimpse in the teaser I'd say the modern challenger looks pretty neat.
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Probably fits the theme as its adapted BORG tech. And it follows the pattern of including an OLDER lockbox ship in the Anniversary Bundle that has been established for a couple years. The first Mirror bundle included the Mirror Engle, second one the Mirror Crossfield and Styx. The only other Borg tech we got is the Liberated Borg Juggernaut and the much more recent Assimilator. But again the Adapted Destroyer is far older than those two.
Someone on Facebook suggested the Sagan and Parliament, but again the Adapted Destroyer is far older.
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Considering the previous two Anniversary Packs allowed for single ship purchase (not counting the lockbox ships they included) I think its safe to say you can get what you want out of it.
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Edit: I stand corrected it seems. Thought the Wolf359 ships were too unfamiliar to carry an anniversary bundle but it seems that it is the road taken,
EptX and certain traits can provide massive boosts.
IMO it's a bit narrow minded to only look at a large engineering boff seating as a liability.
I think at LEAST 2 more, Springfield and Freedom. Maybe 3 if they wanna throw in the Melbourn variant of the Nebula. Personally I think the Melbourn variant should be a free update to the Nebula line. Not really sure what they could do with another Nebula variant. We already got the Sutherland and the Monitor carrier.
I agree that the Nebula, if included, will only be a new skin.
That being said, the Nebula was originally going to be a cruiser but after community feedback it became a science ship.
Would be nice if there was a Science Dreadnought Nebula with benefits from both. Makes one think of the USS Phoenix.
I'm interested in the bundle with what i have seen so far, but it is not a bundle sale for me yet.
Depending on the rest of the content i may only pick up 1-2 ships with T6 coupons.
The promo material so far looks like there's at least two spots left, so that lines up. If there's any more than that I'll be REALLY surprised. o_o It's amazing to see these many in an anniversary pack again! Props to everyone working on them!
Also I'm really excited to find out what all these ships are going to have!
This leaves us 2 days to complain/convince the devs to add more stuff prior to release.
That's what happened at the last anniversary bundle.
Ah, I didn't know when it was coming out. Thanks for the info!
Also I remember that...
I'd really like to see a more offense-focused Nebula, personally. I mean, the first one we saw on-screen was carving up Cardassian ships, not charting spacial anomalies or whatever. I'd even settle for a "science spearhead" variants; I'm running a Trailblazer as basically a cruiser with extra sci powers, and it works out pretty well.
Though what I've got my eye on so far is that... I think it's a 25th-century version of the Cheyenne? Looks really nice. If the stats are good enough and they do allow for buying the ships individually, I'm there.
It all depends on if the devs have found a niche for it.
There are several science variants and one carrier variant of the Nebula in the game already.
To add it as a full ship with new skin, console and trait it needs to be significantly different from the existing variants.
While i love the Nebula Class and fly its variants frequently, i feel that it will merely be a new skin for the Melbourne and not a full ship.
I'm intrigued by the stats for the new ships - visually speaking they look as fantastic as always from what little we can tell, but function will be key for me on grabbing the Bundle or not.
Unless it's Resolute levels of awful I'll be picking up the Ahwahnee at least, and I like the design language of the Springfield so that could be of interest. The Atlantis, Princeton and whatever they call the Freedom if it's in there don't grab me aesthetically despite the great-looking models, so they may be a harder sell for me.
Going by last year's schedule the last batch should be revealed on Monday or Tuesday.
The question for saving a skin like the Melbourne is whether 1) something else (ex. Ross-inspired Nebula) wouldn't be a better a bigger draw vs. bundling an additional Nebula variant in the Melbourne (it's not quite zero-sum) and 2) Cryptic wants to take on that extra skin project down the road.
It really depends on interest and strategy and there's not a whole lot to constrain their possible options to a point of "here's our likely guess" Ex. They could skip a new Nebula [any] and release the Melbourne skin independently to the tailor/fleet unlocks, like they have for some of the Miranda variants. They could also try something new and skip the exclusive ground costume of the last three anniversary bundles, instead marketing the Melbourne as an exclusive ship costume to the full bundle (artificial scarcity buffing interest and aligning the bundle's contents to space only, doing their best to follow up the 10th anniversary bundle with more limited timing/resources). Had the Constellation not been released yet, they could have marketed its inclusion here on that basis (as is, its just saving a dil-store buy).
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No Freedom Class.
Stats and bundle fluff "later in the week".
The Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer was a surprise. But I suppose since its adapted Borg Tech it makes sense. And it is old enough to include. As with the previous bundles they included an older lockbox ship.
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Someone on Facebook suggested the Sagan and Parliament, but again the Adapted Destroyer is far older.