Romulan D7

chastity1337 · June 2023

So I got the D7 Temporal Battlecruiser from the Special Requisition Pack - 23rd Century Tier 6 Ship, and I have been having fun with it. For the moment I have the Reman Vanity Shield equipped, which gives it an evil green look, especially with Borg bits in the Visual slots for engines and deflector.

My only complaint is that when it's cloaked, it can be very hard to really see exactly where it's pointed, and with DHC's narrow arc of fire that can be a major issue. But that's not what this post is about.

I just watched this clip on YouTube-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AusAGjwlql8
-from the episode where Kirk and Spock steal the Romulan cloaking device, (as an aside, OMFG is that Romulan commander a hottie or what?!?), and it reminded me that way back in the STOS era, the Romulans did have some D7's, but I seem to recall them having "warbird" livery, (i.e. paintjobs). So, two questions.

1. Do you folks remember anything about that?
2. Is it possible, do you think, to recreate something that looks like a Romulan D7?

duncanidaho11 · June 2023

The Romulan D7 appears in at least one AOY mission (The Core of the Matter), so yes it is in the game. It is also available with the Legendary D7 (from the Klingon legendary starter pack) if you don't already have it with your current version (hull parts are labeled as "Romulan D7" in the tailor). The wiki page you linked says the original T6 D7 should have Romulan parts, but as you're posting about it...I'll assume you looked in the tailor first (and maybe it's only part of the legendary D7). If you didn't, go to the tailor right now.

https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Legendary_D7_Intel_Battlecruiser

So yes, you can absolutely have that ship. But it may cost a bit to get it (and as you already have a T6 D7...the legendary D7 is not getting you that much value unless you want another layout of the D7 and D7's across all characters).

Fallback: just use the vanilla D7 skin. The ROM D7 is just has the underside bird paint-job. Green would also do for a creative reinterpretation, which you can swing cheaply with the Delta reputation's T6 vanity shield if none of the available hull materials satisfy.

phoenixc · June 2023

It would be nice to get some other new kitbash parts for D7s too, like the extended deflector/torpedo tube for the Klolode-class (TAS) D7.

knightmare · June 2023

I enjoyed watching that clip. Kirk makes for an interesting looking Romulan. I should have remembered it but it's been so long since I watched the TOS series.

phoenixc · June 2023

Back in the old days, that purple lighting on the Romulan bridge gave rise to fan speculations that the Romulan homeworld system might be a binary pair with one blueish and one redish star (though it really doesn't work that way, the blue in Earth's sky is from Rayleigh scattering which would be about the same regardless of the sun's color).

spiritborn · June 2023

phoenixc#0738 wrote: »

Back in the old days, that purple lighting on the Romulan bridge gave rise to fan speculations that the Romulan homeworld system might be a binary pair with one blueish and one redish star (though it really doesn't work that way, the blue in Earth's sky is from Rayleigh scattering which would be about the same regardless of the sun's color).

Sol(aka our sun) is actually white and not yellow(ish) it seems or is often depicted and it's due the same scattering effect that it appears the way it does. From what I've gathered the composition of the atmosphere and how that interacts with light has greater impact to how things look on the surface of planet then the color of the star it orbits has, for example it's believed that Atmosphere of Mars has Tawny color with possibly a pink(ish) hue due to the iron-oxide(aka rust) dust floating about in the "air" there even though it orbits the same star as Earth with its bright blue sky.

jonsills · June 2023

spiritborn wrote: »

phoenixc#0738 wrote: »

Back in the old days, that purple lighting on the Romulan bridge gave rise to fan speculations that the Romulan homeworld system might be a binary pair with one blueish and one redish star (though it really doesn't work that way, the blue in Earth's sky is from Rayleigh scattering which would be about the same regardless of the sun's color).

Sol(aka our sun) is actually white and not yellow(ish) it seems or is often depicted and it's due the same scattering effect that it appears the way it does.

Much of its output is in frequencies we'd interpret as "yellow", which is true of all G-type stars. It's a star, of course, so if you look at it the sheer energy output is going to make it look white - your color receptors are overwhelmed. (As are your retinas, if you don't look away pretty doggone quick.0 What an astronomer calls a "white" star is either a white dwarf (basically, a star in its final stages of life) or an O-type star, which is young, very energetic, and only going to be on the main sequence for a few million years before either going nova and becoming a white dwarf, or going supernova and becoming either a white dwarf, a neutron star, or a black hole, depending on initial mass.

legendarylycan · June 2023

What do you mean 'it's believed'? We've had cameras on Mars for decades that SHOW what color its atmosphere is!

spiritborn · June 2023

legendarylycan#5411 wrote: »

What do you mean 'it's believed'? We've had cameras on Mars for decades that SHOW what color its atmosphere is!

because the way transmissions work from Mars we cannot be 100% sure what we're getting is accurate and not just misrecompiled. It's 99.9% sure that Mars atmosphere is that color but there's still minor room for reasonable doubt.

worgaus · June 2023

duncanidaho11 wrote: »

The Romulan D7 appears in at least one AOY mission (The Core of the Matter), so yes it is in the game. It is also available with the Legendary D7 (from the Klingon legendary starter pack) if you don't already have it with your current version (hull parts are labeled as "Romulan D7" in the tailor). The wiki page you linked says the original T6 D7 should have Romulan parts, but as you're posting about it...I'll assume you looked in the tailor first (and maybe it's only part of the legendary D7). If you didn't, go to the tailor right now.

https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Legendary_D7_Intel_Battlecruiser

So yes, you can absolutely have that ship. But it may cost a bit to get it (and as you already have a T6 D7...the legendary D7 is not getting you that much value unless you want another layout of the D7 and D7's across all characters).

Fallback: just use the vanilla D7 skin. The ROM D7 is just has the underside bird paint-job. Green would also do for a creative reinterpretation, which you can swing cheaply with the Delta reputation's T6 vanity shield if none of the available hull materials satisfy.

I'm not sure that having the Legendary D7 will unlock that skin for a lockbox D7. I'm not even sure it'll unlock it for the Fleet D7 or any of the other lower tier D7s either. I don't own the Temp D7 so I can't check that but I do have a Fleet D7 I can check tonight. I know the Kelvin D7 barely has any options for skins and no swappable parts last time I looked.

spiritborn · June 2023

Legendary ships come with all skins released prior to that legendary ship IIRC.

duncanidaho11 · June 2023

spiritborn wrote: »

Legendary ships come with all skins released prior to that legendary ship IIRC.

This, it's an explicit mechanic of legendary and the D7 is no exception. The question is whether the Romulan skin (which IIRC was added when they created with the Legendary D7) was locked to the legendary version and not made available to the original D7's along with the Qonos One skin. The OP owned the vanilla T6 only and yet posted this thread, ergo not taking it as read that the ship came with it. They may not have actually looked in the tailor though and never followed up here.

nixie50 · June 2023

only the legendary D7 has the romulan livery. but it still has a warp core

phoenixc · June 2023

nixie50 wrote: »

only the legendary D7 has the romulan livery. but it still has a warp core

The warp core makes sense since Trek lore tends to go with the version that they are actual Klingon-made ships that they sold to the Romulans and the Romulans modified for their own weapons systems (which is exactly the case according to behind-the-scenes information, btw) the same way the USSR sold (or in some cases even gave) relatively modern gear and combat vehicles to enemies of the free-world nations during the cold war.

The other theory is that the Romulans somehow made knockoffs of them using a captured Klingon D7 or by analyzing wreckage but that is more convoluted than a simple tech exchange deal and so is less believable. Those knockoffs would probably have had singularity cores, but why would the Romulans even bother to copy the Klingon aesthetics in the first place instead of using their own if they were building the things from scratch based on reverse engineering?

legendarylycan · June 2023

Probably for the same reason various countries have had American hardware and weapons for decades and have only now started creating their own homebaked designs based on them - reverse-engineering isn't easy even when you have all the necessary tech bases and personnel.

spiritborn · June 2023

legendarylycan#5411 wrote: »

Probably for the same reason various countries have had American hardware and weapons for decades and have only now started creating their own homebaked designs based on them - reverse-engineering isn't easy even when you have all the necessary tech bases and personnel.

And sometimes they're simply told to copy a pre-existing design as close as possible, there's even story when soviet engineers reverse engineered the B-29 for the Tu-4 design they ran into a problem as they were told to copy the american exactly but the US aircraft had logos of the USAF on it and painting those to soviet craft would be treason, so either they paint US livery and be charged with treason or paint soviet livery and be charged with treason for not copying the design exactly, ultimately the engineers got permission to paint the craft with soviet livery.

However something similar could explain why a Romulan craft is built according to Klingon aesthetics. the Praetor said copy this exactly so the engineers did.

legendarylycan · June 2023

Yeah, that sounds like the kind of idiocy the Soviet Union would experience - kind of like Stalin's self-sabotage of his well-being by killing someone that entered his room after he called for 'help'...only to actually need help later on and end up dying because no one would go in.

worgaus · June 2023

If anyone is still wondering I checked and every D7 available in the "Acquire New Ships" menu had the option for the Romulan version, even the fleet versions of the D7. I'm assuming it's because I have the Legendary D7. Maybe some day I'll get the Temporal D7 and I'll see if it has that option as well.

paradox · June 2023

It's exclusive to the Legendary D7, Honestly it's not worth it, 12,000 Zen is a pretty hefty price for a single ship skin.

jonsills · June 2023

spiritborn wrote: »

legendarylycan#5411 wrote: »

What do you mean 'it's believed'? We've had cameras on Mars for decades that SHOW what color its atmosphere is!

because the way transmissions work from Mars we cannot be 100% sure what we're getting is accurate and not just misrecompiled. It's 99.9% sure that Mars atmosphere is that color but there's still minor room for reasonable doubt.

That's not really how either cameras or data transmission work. The sky on Mars is a pale blue with a reddish tint around the horizon, save when there's a dust storm going on. The blue part is due to Rayleigh scattering, and the red part is due to the dust (which is high in iron oxide). It's also fiendishly cold at night, even during the "summer" - that's down to the thin atmosphere.

thunderfoot · June 2023

The Romulan skin for the D7 is exclusive to the Legendary D7. However, if you have the Legendary D7 already, the Romulan skin might be unlocked for the Temporal D7. I am unsure of this because I do not own the Temporal D7.

paradox · June 2023

thunderfoot#5163 wrote: »

The Romulan skin for the D7 is exclusive to the Legendary D7. However, if you have the Legendary D7 already, the Romulan skin might be unlocked for the Temporal D7. I am unsure of this because I do not own the Temporal D7.

I'm pretty sure it's unlocked for every D7, even the T3 D7s, as long as you also own the Legendary one.

rattler2 · June 2023

Any skins/parts that are unlocked by new ships are available to all variants of that line. So yes if you have the TOS Temporal D7 and you get the Legendary, you can use the Romulan D7 parts/skin on the Temporal D7.

I have a Temporal Connie on my main, and after getting the Legendary Connie, was able to use the Phase 2 Connie parts from the Legendary on her.

chastity1337 · June 2023

After reading all your comments, I went to the ship tailor and had a look.
First, I was excited to see the Romulan D7 listed
Second, I was disappointed to see how minimal it is, just a bird belly on the underside and some ruffles at trailed edge on top.
Third, I was cynically amused to see that the "price" listed was 12K Zen

Anyhow. Fine.

I think I like it best with the Borg engines and deflector in the Visual boxes.

I thank you all for your helpful and interesting comments.

spiritborn · June 2023

chastity1337 wrote: »

After reading all your comments, I went to the ship tailor and had a look.
First, I was excited to see the Romulan D7 listed
Second, I was disappointed to see how minimal it is, just a bird belly on the underside and some ruffles at trailed edge on top.
Third, I was cynically amused to see that the "price" listed was 12K Zen

Anyhow. Fine.

I think I like it best with the Borg engines and deflector in the Visual boxes.

I thank you all for your helpful and interesting comments.

It's minimal because that's what it was in the show D7 was never meant to be a Romulan ship due weirdness (I think copyright related but I could be wrong) they couldn't use the BoP (T'liss in-game) model and had to come up with Romulan ship fairly fast so they added the bird of prey logo to the D7 model as quick and cheap solution so they could get the episodes out.

phoenixc · June 2023

spiritborn wrote: »

chastity1337 wrote: »

After reading all your comments, I went to the ship tailor and had a look.
First, I was excited to see the Romulan D7 listed
Second, I was disappointed to see how minimal it is, just a bird belly on the underside and some ruffles at trailed edge on top.
Third, I was cynically amused to see that the "price" listed was 12K Zen

Anyhow. Fine.

I think I like it best with the Borg engines and deflector in the Visual boxes.

I thank you all for your helpful and interesting comments.

It's minimal because that's what it was in the show D7 was never meant to be a Romulan ship due weirdness (I think copyright related but I could be wrong) they couldn't use the BoP (T'liss in-game) model and had to come up with Romulan ship fairly fast so they added the bird of prey logo to the D7 model as quick and cheap solution so they could get the episodes out.

The issue with the BoP was that the cost of a foreground-grade model was extremely high (about the cost of a new sedan at the time) but Desilu found a loophole that allowed them to have one built by a non-guild modeler for considerably less. Unfortunately, the guild challenged that and said the loophole was a gross misinterpretation of the rules and so they had to stop using it and send it back to the builder or take the matter to court.

According to comments from the builder, he went ballistic over the heavy-handed guild rules and took model out in his backyard and smashed it with a hammer.

A bit of trivia is that the overall shape of the ship came from the metal opening-and-shutting spout that some boxes of oatmeal (and other cardboard boxes of dry goods) had back then, bent out flat. Also, at the time the model was built it was still undecided whether it was to be a native Romulan ship design or a rebuild of an old, scavenged Federation saucer section so the modeler included details that could be interpreted either way.

Romulan D7

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