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paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,800 Arc User
You read the title, the Spoonheads are usually written as servants either serving under the Dominion (DS9) or as Servants of the Terran Empire within their own Arc,

Wonder how well they'll do as major league villains and serving as actual threats instead of expendable cannon fodder.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,283 Arc User
    Given the entirety of their space has a severe resource shortage and their technological development is laughable at best (their Galaxy equivalent can only actually match one while in a wolfpack of 3), they never CAN become anything other than minions and henchmen.

    Not unless in some universe they managed to discover some seriously rich resource deposits in the directions NOT smack dab up against a major power. Like, if they had expanded west or south towards the galactic rim instead of going east.​​
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,577 Community Moderator
    I wouldn't call them servants. They're not a major superpower like the Klingon Empire or Federation. They were strong enough to dominate the region around them, but again they couldn't stand on an equal footing with the Federation in a direct conflict.

    As for being a servants of the Dominion... I'd blame Dukat for that as he had visions of restoring Cardassia to its "former glory" and the Dominion was a means to an end. One that epically backfired in the end. And the True Way were not servants of the Terran Empire, they were technically allies.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,468 Arc User
    You read the title, the Spoonheads are usually written as servants either serving under the Dominion (DS9) or as Servants of the Terran Empire within their own Arc,

    Wonder how well they'll do as major league villains and serving as actual threats instead of expendable cannon fodder.

    The Dominion war ENDED the Cardassians as a major league villain completely, not quite as much as the Hobus Supernova ended the Romulan threat, but the damage done will take more than the few decades that have passed to recover from. With the help of Garak, and like-minded Cardies, they have come to be accepted as part of the Galactic community, and are no longer considered a threat, but friends. Cardassians are done as villians. Lets not tread over tired old ground.
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    You read the title, the Spoonheads are usually written as servants either serving under the Dominion (DS9) or as Servants of the Terran Empire within their own Arc,

    Wonder how well they'll do as major league villains and serving as actual threats instead of expendable cannon fodder.

    Huh? In their first appearance in TNG S4 The Wounded, they were shown as having had a YEARS LONG war against the UFP where they very much held their own; and forced a treaty of The Federation where the Federation ceded territory to the Cardassian Empire. In that episode, The Federation Council and Starfleet needed Picard to 'keep the peace' at really any cost.

    Then we found out the conquered Bajor; and before the Cardassians allied with the Dominion, they also stood up to the might of the Klingon Empire during a Civil uprising that deposed the current military leadership.

    AFTER the Dominion War (where they were pretty much seen as disposable canon fodder at the end of said war); yes, they are written as a demoralized and defeated Empire; but that's due to the various circumstances I've related above. They could have rebuilt and rearmed in the time between the end of the Dominion War and the current PICARD series/This very game, and could rise as a major Galactic power again (if the people producing Star Trek/ or STO want to make them a 'threat' again.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,837 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    You read the title, the Spoonheads are usually written as servants either serving under the Dominion (DS9) or as Servants of the Terran Empire within their own Arc,

    Wonder how well they'll do as major league villains and serving as actual threats instead of expendable cannon fodder.

    The Dominion war ENDED the Cardassians as a major league villain completely, not quite as much as the Hobus Supernova ended the Romulan threat, but the damage done will take more than the few decades that have passed to recover from. With the help of Garak, and like-minded Cardies, they have come to be accepted as part of the Galactic community, and are no longer considered a threat, but friends. Cardassians are done as villians. Lets not tread over tired old ground.

    True, probably the best way to highlight the Cardassians in a STO arc would be to have some mystery/trouble stalking them which turns out to be something bigger than expected that takes Alliance-level resources to balance the field in their fight against whatever the threat is.
  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,923 Arc User
    considering Garak is a major player in the government now, unless they want to go to a civil war with the true way on the opfor side, a bad guy Cardassia isn't in the cards. Now if the writers wanted to up thier game, a joint Cardassia/Bajor arc concerning a treasure hunt for an Orb could be interesting
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,468 Arc User
    considering Garak is a major player in the government now, unless they want to go to a civil war with the true way on the opfor side, a bad guy Cardassia isn't in the cards. Now if the writers wanted to up thier game, a joint Cardassia/Bajor arc concerning a treasure hunt for an Orb could be interesting

    Yeah...nah, that's kind of old hat rehashing of DS9 stories. I mean it's hard to top the TNG progenitor story (The Chase), where they charged all over to find most species were seeded with different pieces of a code to lead them to the female changeling...I mean the progenitor. I would rather they do something that has never been delved into, because it just wouldn't 'stand out' otherwise.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,283 Arc User
    To say nothing of the fact that I believe the Bajorans have reclaimed all their orbs...one would thus need to be stolen before it could be hunted.​​
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  • horridpersonhorridperson Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited March 2023
    I'm not even certain it's about being servants, but more broadly an authoritarian state. The average Cardassian appreciates order. Historically that was in the form of authoritarian governments both internal and external. Even the Federation engaging in a stewardship with the Cardassians fits the bill. It's certainly a more benevolent relationship than what they are accustomed to, but it results in a lawful, better functioning society. Cardassian imperialism was always driven by shortages and failure. With their needs being fulfilled as partners in the Federation and recovering from the Dominion decimation cooperation looks more attractive than dumb speeches from wannabe Guls about "glory" never really was.
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