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Reman Captain trait Infiltrator partially broken.

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  • fftsukifftsuki Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2022
    I hope it is fixed soon.
  • chrian#9670 chrian Member Posts: 622 Cryptic Developer
    edited August 2022
    I did some internal testing and found the following


    Infiltrator can stack with 1 of each version

    Player (tier 2)

    Boff (tier 1)

    boff (tier 3)

    copies of each tier do not stack other than for defense



    Bonuses behave this way currently

    ambush duration bonus stacks with only 1 of each tier 1 ,2 ,3

    5/ 7.5 / 10

    stealth

    stealth bonus is determined by highest tier amount between infiltrator and subterfuge and pirate

    pirate = 150

    which may change with the boff upgrade token?
    https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Trait:_Pirate/boff



    infiltrator is 100/150/200
    subterfuge is 100/150/200

    Defense bonus stacks on everything applicable



    Subterfuge

    defense bonus stacks
    ambush damage bonus stacks with highest of the 2 available to players for a max of 30%

    unable to find a boff with basic subterfuge
    /10/15

    stealth bonus is still highest tier infiltrator and subterfuge and pirate

    Subterfuge (2) and (3)actually says that the damage should not be stacking

    I did some investigation and one trait was basically copied as a reman trait.

    I did pass up the chain whether it was ever intentional for infiltrator to stack or not. Just because Subterfuge doesn't stack with higher/lower versions of itself.
  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,457 Arc User
    ...which may change with the boff upgrade token?
    The what?
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    Everyone has a better name and Youtube Channel than me...  :/
  • qultuqqultuq Member Posts: 989 Arc User
    > @inferiority said:
    > The what?

    The next system is a token like the epic captain token which upgrades our bridge officers. Kael has mentioned it twice in the last two livestreams. I think it is pushed back. However last year’s Captain upgrade, and the preceding ship X upgrade were both released around the Anniversary. So maybe the Boff upgrade is coming sooner.
  • atatassault#7865 atatassault Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    I suppose with the Elite Boff Upgrade tokens upgrading all traits to their maximum version, this means Infiltrator isn't going to stack?
  • atatassault#7865 atatassault Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    Update on my end at least: Infiltrator duration now stacks as expected. I get 27.5 seconds from a Basic Boff, Superior Boff, and Standard Infiltrator Captain.
  • t3mp3s7t3mp3s7 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    Update on my end at least: Infiltrator duration now stacks as expected. I get 27.5 seconds from a Basic Boff, Superior Boff, and Standard Infiltrator Captain.

    Religiously? Even after a reboot/changing characters/etc?

    The issue we've been having is that it's intermittently failing.
  • atatassault#7865 atatassault Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    t3mp3s7 wrote: »
    Religiously? Even after a reboot/changing characters/etc?

    The issue we've been having is that it's intermittently failing.

    Oh, I don't know, it's never worked for me since I posted the issue, it only started working yesterday.
  • atatassault#7865 atatassault Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    RIP Infiltrator with the latest patch notes. No reason to play my reman anymore, I'll just use a Universal Designs build over She's a Predator.
  • t3mp3s7t3mp3s7 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    I did pass up the chain whether it was ever intentional for infiltrator to stack or not. Just because Subterfuge doesn't stack with higher/lower versions of itself.

    WELL, he did warn us I suppose.

    *sigh* guess that completely kills my sneak attack builds. That was single handedly the only reason people roll a Reman too. I'll keep everything as is, in the hopes they roll that back... what a bloody tragedy.

    No sense continuing with this thread now I suppose.
  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 6,035 Arc User
    > @t3mp3s7 said:
    > WELL, he did warn us I suppose.
    >
    > *sigh* guess that completely kills my sneak attack builds. That was single handedly the only reason people roll a Reman too. I'll keep everything as is, in the hopes they roll that back... what a bloody tragedy.
    >
    > No sense continuing with this thread now I suppose.
    > @t3mp3s7 said:
    > WELL, he did warn us I suppose.
    >
    > *sigh* guess that completely kills my sneak attack builds. That was single handedly the only reason people roll a Reman too. I'll keep everything as is, in the hopes they roll that back... what a bloody tragedy.
    >
    > No sense continuing with this thread now I suppose.

    I suggest checking out the 9/20 patch notes thread on Galactic News Network. They are reverting the changes.
    Where there is a Will, there is a Way.
  • t3mp3s7t3mp3s7 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    sthe91 wrote: »
    >I suggest checking out the 9/20 patch notes thread on Galactic News Network. They are reverting the changes.


    Reported from: https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11526753-pc-patch-notes-for-9/20/22

    "Resolved an issue where the infiltrator Bridge Officer traits of different ranks stacked with each other." <- Other way around mate. They're removing the stacking of Infiltrator.
  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 6,035 Arc User
    > @t3mp3s7 said:
    > Reported from: https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11526753-pc-patch-notes-for-9/20/22
    >
    > "Resolved an issue where the infiltrator Bridge Officer traits of different ranks stacked with each other." <- Other way around mate. They're removing the stacking of Infiltrator.

    Go to thread and read the comments. A mod posted there what was said on Twitter, they are considering reverting the changes. It is right there!
    Where there is a Will, there is a Way.
  • t3mp3s7t3mp3s7 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    sthe91 wrote: »
    > @t3mp3s7 said:
    > Reported from: https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11526753-pc-patch-notes-for-9/20/22
    >
    > "Resolved an issue where the infiltrator Bridge Officer traits of different ranks stacked with each other." <- Other way around mate. They're removing the stacking of Infiltrator.

    Go to thread and read the comments. A mod posted there what was said on Twitter, they are considering reverting the changes. It is right there!

    Saw the post, for those who want to see it as well you can find it here: (https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1268224/pc-patch-notes-for-9-20-22)

    He said it's likely, not that they will. So, I suppose it's fingers crossed?
  • t3mp3s7t3mp3s7 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    As of 9/29 they have rolled back their change
    (https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11527533-pc-patch-notes-for-9/29/22)

    However, this did not fix the issue. The Bridge Officer ranks still stack, where as the Player rank does not.

  • aardvark#2104 aardvark Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    Here's a spreadsheet I adapted which has the documented, tooltip and observed durations. I tested these myself with my Reman captain, superior and basic infiltrator. I did not have a standard infiltrator BO to test so this combo is not included. I've submitted this as a bug report.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xQcCdR-mhwDX7tXp3Yg2yVicyEXYp8Ezauhmnx1OCQI/edit#gid=0
  • husk10#9106 husk10 Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited October 2022
    Here's a spreadsheet I adapted which has the documented, tooltip and observed durations. I tested these myself with my Reman captain, superior and basic infiltrator. I did not have a standard infiltrator
    BO to test so this combo is not included. I've submitted this as a bug report.

    Your Captain is "Standard Infiltrator". I just ran the same test as you prior to seeing your post and your numbers are accurate.

    Post edited by husk10#9106 on
  • husk10#9106 husk10 Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited October 2022
    t3mp3s7 wrote: »
    As of 9/29 they have rolled back their change
    (https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11527533-pc-patch-notes-for-9/29/22)

    However, this did not fix the issue. The Bridge Officer ranks still stack, where as the Player rank does not.

    Bridge Officers do not appear to stack. If you have basic, standard and superior, the game only applies superior. The game only applies the highest version present so the most Ambush possible currently is 15 (Default + Superior).
    Post edited by husk10#9106 on
  • husk10#9106 husk10 Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited October 2022
    Redacted
    Post edited by husk10#9106 on
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