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how many keys does it take to get a t6?
whistlerdavid
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i know you guys cant really give me a number. however i was hoping for the people that have got a lock box T6 ship on average how many boxes did you open. i have a horrible feeling some of you guys will say you have opened over 200 and didn't get one lol
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So you're looking at a good few hundred dollary doos on average, you could open 500 and not get anything good. Or you could open one and get the star prize.
Gambling is gambling.
Many time I've got a ship from less than 50. It is purely chance. Ignore those saying it's 1 in 250, because it's the wrong language to express it. It could be anywhere from 0.5 to 1% chance PER box, which is the same in other games that have lock-box style item. You could get ten keys and win 10 ships, or you could get a million and never win.
If you're desperate for a ship you could sell keys, but you're not the winner here, only the person you're buying off is. So use keys if you need to. You get Lobi and a random prize guaranteed each time. Use EC from keys, and you'll only get the ship, whilst the seller gets your EC to buy more keys and win more ships.
However, you wait whilst doing the Campaign, and be guaranteed that ship, provided it's not one released this year.
Unless it's "surprise mechanics" or some other euphemism.
https://www.polygon.com/2019/6/21/18691760/ea-vp-loot-boxes-surprise-mechanics-ethical-enjoyable
Lock box are 1 in 250, promo pack are 1 in 100.
That doesn't mean if you open 250 boxes that you are guaranteed a ship (aside from getting enough lobi to buy a lobi ship). Each key is a separate 1 in 250 dice roll, and probability has no memory.
When they are on sale the Muud's choice packs are priced OK compared to that since you are guaranteed the ships.
Buying with keys/EC IS the only guaranteed way to get one of these ships though, and potentially the cheaper way depending on how your luck goes.
on console they go for 8.3 remember that from years ago ? lol
So your proposal shows even more support for "gambling for their scummy boxes". When proposing a protest of any sort, you really should think it through.
How many keys does it take Cryptic? A thousand? Fifty thousand? A million?
How many keys does it take, Cryptic?!
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/uhfkom/sto_gambleboxes_a_guide_to_winning_the_jackpot/
Hmm, that post doesn't include enough details to convince me. If you start by assuming there are low and high drop rate then you can fit the data to match that assumption and get rates that might just be based on chance.
I'll stick with thinking Cryptic is not using secret per-account counters and is using the much easier to code fixed 1/250 (lock box) and 1/100 (promo pack).
Either that or the answer is 42, because as we all know, the answer to any question is always... 42... 😋
Peace...
It's RNG...very bad RNG
Could get it in one key or not get it in five hundred keys, best just to buy keys and sell them on the exchange
Most often there is a long gap between epics, and the timing feels roughly the same from one to the next. If it is fixed odds then it should not do that since there is no memory in odds like that unless there is some kind of changes going on in the background (which is not always a bad thing btw). Of course, that could simply be coincidence.
Indeed unregulated gambling. Sto is the first game I played with that type of system. And in 2011 or 2012 when I started, that's exactly the first thought that popped in my head, "this IS gambling, how can Gambling be allowed". Now its a plague on the whole industry. Who to blame? The players. That carrot they're dangling is so far away you need a telescope to even get a glimpse of it. But players throw billions of hard earned cash, every year, at something that isn't even real. And company CEOs laugh and cruise around in yachts, and big homes, and put their kids through college, because players are addicted and stupid. They just gotta have that carrot. And they're praying on human compulsion. They've got us all figured out. We're idiots.
Peace...
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750 is not a large enough sample size to come to any real conclusions, due to the nature of RNG it's always possible for someone to be unlucky like that with the odds players have calculated using larger sample sizes. That's why some games have bad luck protection, though I'm not convinced STO has such a system.
Posted above. Despite the pretty graphs it doesn't include enough information to show the author didn't find a pattern that is not really there.
Occam's Razor and human nature tells me it's more likely the Cryptic developers went with the much easier code of using flat odds and no per-user tracking. They needed to re-work the code in Neverwinter to add the pity system.
People obviously have some pretty strong opinions about lockboxes, so things can get heated if those passions aren't governed. While I will not debate the definition of "gambling," legal or otherwise, people's use of that term could be interpreted euphemistically. But when people start using language like "predatory" or "scam," that is disparaging and accusatory, and crosses the line into violating forum rules. By all means, debate the merits of lockboxes. As moderators, we will not shut these conversations down, but we do ask that people are careful in how they word their opinions, so as not to fall into the category of flaming/trolling. Thank you.
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