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Wow now this is funny I remember begging STO to let us use Directx 11, They even gave us a special script to use in our launcher to use it. Then they fixed it so didn't need the script. I know Windows 7 is no longer supported for updates by Microsoft. I wonder how many user still use it?
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Short answer: Too many.
And STO is far from being the first software that requires an upgrade since support for Win7 was terminated. Some other games stopped working under Win7 too, and a lot of software for things like Onlinebanking and such have made adjustments to minimum-system-requirements very quickly after January of last year.
One customer even complained quite vocally about not being able to install our software under Windows XP... in 2020.
~A study conducted by cybersecurity company Kaspersky has revealed that as many as 22 percent of personal computer users are still using end-of-life Windows 7 operating system. The findings are based on anonymised data collected from Kaspersky Security Network users, who consented to it. Apr. 30, 2021~
According to StatCounter, around 16% of all current Windows PCs were running Windows 7 in July 2021. Some these devices are likely to be inactive, but that still leaves a significant amount of people using software that hasn't been supported since January 2020. This is extremely dangerous.Aug. 10, 2021
Over one in ten Windows computers are using the operating system form one poll and around 13 percent of Windows users were using Windows 7 from another poll
https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-7-people-are-still-using/
The actual number is not known but world wide I would say it is much higher than you would think. More people use Win7 than Win8 LMAO!
There Are Still 100 Million PCs Running Windows 7
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/318835-there-are-still-100-million-pcs-running-windows-7
How to get Windows 7 Updates until 2023 - Windows 7 End of Life
I would heavily recommend against encouraging people to use EoL-products. If they do it, it's their own risk/responsibility.
Folks also need to understand this is nothing new and was bound to happen sooner or later. Time and technology wait for no man and will advanced whether we want them to or not.
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Switch to Linux. STO runs great under Linux... and you don't have to run a OS that hasn't gotten a security update in years never mind any QOL fixes or new features.
Manjaro
Mint
If your really new to Linux and aren't sure how to install proton or wine DXVK ect yourself. Just install the Steam client (and distros like Manjaro and Mint have steam preinstalled couldn't be easier) download STO... one click install just like any version of Windows.
Most people don't even have to do any actual upgrades outside of their OS. As a general rule, if your PC will run Windows 7, it will run Windows 10. Win10 is generally more efficient then Win7 so you don't need better hardware to run the newer OS.
The exception comes if you're running hardware so old that there are no Windows 10 Drivers available, if that's the case then yeah.. sorry.. time to upgrade the potato.
It's not that hidden, actually. MS kept a backdoor open that is meant for Users who utilize ANY kind of accessibility-function, either through settings or tools like the screen-magnifier (which has been in Windows for ages now).
Those magnifiers are actually quite handy on websites or documents with really small fonts..
The thing that has amazed me is if their computer currently runs STO then they honestly do not have to get a new card because both graphics companies have dropped dx10 support years ago. get your self a inexpensive SATA SSD (make sure it has dram cache) and that will overcome the slow downs from older hardware, and cloning is so much easier now too. If you need a card you don't even need that a rx560 or gtx1060 will run this game easy and do not need to power supply to.
As far as the free windows 10 upgrade it still is as of 5 months ago. i do computer work and used the windows 10 ISO from their site and it upgraded just fine on a windows 7 machine.
No it does not.
It also does not mean they must provides a server with the exact gameplay that existed when each person bought the sub, or that they must provide people with the computers required to play the game, pay their internet service bills, or send someone to their home to help them with isolinear chip puzzles.
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Yeah but just saying i find it funny that some in the player demand more from the game but want it on older hardware and such, sometimes you just need bit the bullet and do a major upgrade. Also windows 11 is mainly a CPU based stuff have to have a certain CPU that has TMP and what not in it to work when that roles out there be a lot of unhappy players then too in general.
This isn't major thing but players will still crip over it.[/quote]
I agree I am more upset with dealing with the windows 11 requirements then a gaming company dropping support for a 12 year old OS. both windows do not require much graphics to run unless you turn on all of the Aero theme. the slow down you are going to see is from the HDD more then anything honestly and that is where the SSD comes in.
Now i understand memory might be an issue but I am will to bet 90% or more native windows 7 machines will support at least 8gbs of memory and the older stuff is cheap on ebay
Next, time and technology wait for no person. The game isn't being "stolen" from you just because the minimum standards have been raised. As time goes on and game companies upgrade their servers and games, older hardware combinations will no longer be supported because of how the game itself handles data. A 3090 is going to handle things differently than a card from 2000 as just one example. That's not a fault of the older hardware, or the newer hardware, or even the game. It simply means its time for an upgrade. Expecting to be able to use old hardware right on and on forever is like buying a Windows 95 machine and expecting it to always be able to play anything that comes out. Eventually whether you like it or not, the hardware will not be able to deliver the power needed to play the stuff. Think of it like a power generator that can deliver 30 megawatts being asked to deliver 35 megawatts.
By continuing to insist they keep supporting older hardware and operating systems right on and on, you are basically demanding them to deliver an inferior product and potentially leave open security vulnerabilities that could harm the game as a whole for everyone else. You don't need to have a monster gaming rig in order to play STO. You can get a rig that will play STO for very little cash. As for "not being able to upgrade" you can buy prebuilt systems and pay so much money a month until you pay it off. For that matter you can save some cash if you really want a machine. Yeah I get it, a computer can be a major expense but it doesn't have to be.
How long do you expect them to support ancient hardware?
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This is just people not wanting to run windows 10 cause they feel like its inferior or MS is spying on them. I mean never mind that they aren't getting updates anymore and are likely being spied on for real by far worse then MS. lol
Once again if your one of these people still running Windows 7 cause 10 will spy on you. Linux is 10x more secure... and runs STO just as well as Windows these days. I mean your millage will very depending on your hardware... but my FPS under Linux is perhaps 4-5FPS less then windows 10 on the same machine, which frankly is irrelevant anyway as I cap my FPS at 75 and turn on Freesync no need to have my GPU Fans spinning for no reason, STO isn't exactly the most taxing game.
In fairness, that is now a $350 video card. Cheaper to buy an xbox than the card
Still, recent intel onboard graphics can probably run STO at lower settings.
Uhm, isn't this game engine used by STO, a bit ancient?
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