The difference between the tailor and vanity shields is that we're not equipping items in the tailor. As Vanity Shields are an actual item that affects the look of your ship and not an unlock... its probably mechanically harder to do a preview. Add in the fact that not every item affects appearance... we'd be looking at potential bugs if they tried without any serious testing because someone tried to preview the look of something that doesn't come with visuals.
For now we'll probably have to settle for various preview pics that have been made over time, and any preview videos.
Its still a texture like any other that goes on a ship. There's no reason they can't add it to the list in the ship tailor, but lockout the confirm changes button while you have a vanity shield texture, just like they would do if you picked a selection that requires a zen purchase without the zen for it.
Edit: And I should add it would be fantastic advertising for these vanity shields. Without knowing the vanity shield look even exists, and you really like the look of it in the tailor, how would you know you want it for your ship and go try and buy one?
roughly 560 zen is just a hair over the 500 zen cost of some uniforms in the cstore. I definitely agree there should be a preview of some kind and will be asking them about that next time I talk to them. I hope they go further with this kind of stuff and don't stop just here.
edit: helps if I don't hit the post button too soon. Lastly on this, yeah I can see some folks not being fond of the 280k dilithium, but considering what some of these things would go for normally, this is a steal
May I add something to that suggestion, or rather expand a bit on it?
A preview that works for the rep vanity shields, too, without the need to buy them to see how they look.
Maybe also for weapons, if at all possible? Though I realize this would require more work, it's still worth a shot.
@keepcalmchiveon no problem, happy to help! And I get you: I'm always advocating for cosmetic stuff to be put in the C-Store and being sellable on the exchange, too. But for the moment, I think this can help a bit.
Not agreeing with someone doesn't give you the right to be an TRIBBLE.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
The difference between the tailor and vanity shields is that we're not equipping items in the tailor. As Vanity Shields are an actual item that affects the look of your ship and not an unlock... its probably mechanically harder to do a preview. Add in the fact that not every item affects appearance... we'd be looking at potential bugs if they tried without any serious testing because someone tried to preview the look of something that doesn't come with visuals.
For now we'll probably have to settle for various preview pics that have been made over time, and any preview videos.
Its still a texture like any other that goes on a ship. There's no reason they can't add it to the list in the ship tailor, but lockout the confirm changes button while you have a vanity shield texture, just like they would do if you picked a selection that requires a zen purchase without the zen for it.
That's why I didn't debate with rattler2 about it. I don't know the STO in-game mechanics but the character Tailor has this method & the starship Tailor has that method already too with some various ship skins so to me it made sense.
Will this come to console? I know the inflation isn't as bad there as it is on PC but I been eyeing a section 31 shield for my Temer raider for a while to complete the Batwing look I'm going for. I'm just not willing to spend over 200 mill ec on the exchange for it.
Will this come to console? I know the inflation isn't as bad there as it is on PC but I been eyeing a section 31 shield for my Temer raider for a while to complete the Batwing look I'm going for. I'm just not willing to spend over 200 mill ec on the exchange for it.
I'd rather pay more and get one as an account unlock.
I would too, but that kind of defeats the purpose. The purpose is to eat up as much dil as possible, and that requires people buying it on multiple characters. For the that number is 3 (1 Fed, 1 KDF, 1 ROM).
If this were zen I would definitely agree it should be account unlock, but due to the very purpose of why they are doing this, making it per character makes the most sense TBH.
I'm thinking of buying the Ferengi shield for a Ferengi Fed character. I just need 1 for that.
But I could see the Ba'ul one fitting all my characters and I'd be willing to pay 3-4x the price to make it an account unlock.
Earlier I didn't think I'd be interested in them at all because of the high price and per character restriction but after looking at them I saw that the Ba'ul shield is sweeeet and just the other day I was thinking if there was some cosmetic to allow my Ferengi to fly Fed ships while acknowledging their heritage.
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I might pick up the Kelvin Divergence, maybe the Section 31 and Discovery. Haven't decided.
Account unlock price? 150k per toon is reasonable. Im not paying 280k for a one time purchase on a single toon.
If it was an account unlock the price tag would need to be around 1-2 MILLION dil, as a single character purchase this is one of the few times where they've actually gotten the price correct.
280k is fine by me....however the dealbreaker is its bind to character, not account - I'm not even going to push to get it account unlocked as I recognise its a dil sink so making it 'easily' available defeats the purpose
That said...I can understand why its bind to character for the lockbox varients...but if we are purchasing it and the idea is for it to be a dil sink...letting us move it around the account would make it more enticing as I'm not going to spend a literal month of multi-character refining (yeah, I'm lazy) to get one shield... that then I realise does not suit the current ship I'm flying
Its such a small change but I think if you want it to be a viable sink (and theres currently no way to preview it on your ship), bind to account would be a lot fairer
Just want to say a TY to all those who made me realise the actual costing. Wasn't seeing it myself but once it was broken down I see its well cheap actually and very very affordable, and should help the current sink. So again Thanks
280k is fine by me....however the dealbreaker is its bind to character, not account - I'm not even going to push to get it account unlocked as I recognise its a dil sink so making it 'easily' available defeats the purpose
That said...I can understand why its bind to character for the lockbox varients...but if we are purchasing it and the idea is for it to be a dil sink...letting us move it around the account would make it more enticing as I'm not going to spend a literal month of multi-character refining (yeah, I'm lazy) to get one shield... that then I realise does not suit the current ship I'm flying
Its such a small change but I think if you want it to be a viable sink (and theres currently no way to preview it on your ship), bind to account would be a lot fairer
Why not just transfer the dilithium to the character you want the Vanity shield on and then buy it. Gets around the account bind problem.
280k is fine by me....however the dealbreaker is its bind to character, not account - I'm not even going to push to get it account unlocked as I recognise its a dil sink so making it 'easily' available defeats the purpose
That said...I can understand why its bind to character for the lockbox varients...but if we are purchasing it and the idea is for it to be a dil sink...letting us move it around the account would make it more enticing as I'm not going to spend a literal month of multi-character refining (yeah, I'm lazy) to get one shield... that then I realise does not suit the current ship I'm flying
Its such a small change but I think if you want it to be a viable sink (and theres currently no way to preview it on your ship), bind to account would be a lot fairer
Why not just transfer the dilithium to the character you want the Vanity shield on and then buy it. Gets around the account bind problem.
because I want to move said shield from toon to toon if I change a build or theme. 150k per toon locked or 280k for an account moveable shield. I dont care about any 1 for 1 TRIBBLE on the exchange, this should be a sink and a bonus to those doing it.
280k is fine by me....however the dealbreaker is its bind to character, not account - I'm not even going to push to get it account unlocked as I recognise its a dil sink so making it 'easily' available defeats the purpose
That said...I can understand why its bind to character for the lockbox varients...but if we are purchasing it and the idea is for it to be a dil sink...letting us move it around the account would make it more enticing as I'm not going to spend a literal month of multi-character refining (yeah, I'm lazy) to get one shield... that then I realise does not suit the current ship I'm flying
Its such a small change but I think if you want it to be a viable sink (and theres currently no way to preview it on your ship), bind to account would be a lot fairer
Why not just transfer the dilithium to the character you want the Vanity shield on and then buy it. Gets around the account bind problem.
because I want to move said shield from toon to toon if I change a build or theme. 150k per toon locked or 280k for an account moveable shield. I dont care about any 1 for 1 TRIBBLE on the exchange, this should be a sink and a bonus to those doing it.
Account movable has been brought up over the years for multiple items including ships. It will never happen. I mean might as well just account unlock it at that point what is the difference other then the small inconvenience of dropping it in a shared bank. I say make it movable for 280k a move.
280k is fine by me....however the dealbreaker is its bind to character, not account - I'm not even going to push to get it account unlocked as I recognise its a dil sink so making it 'easily' available defeats the purpose
That said...I can understand why its bind to character for the lockbox varients...but if we are purchasing it and the idea is for it to be a dil sink...letting us move it around the account would make it more enticing as I'm not going to spend a literal month of multi-character refining (yeah, I'm lazy) to get one shield... that then I realise does not suit the current ship I'm flying
Its such a small change but I think if you want it to be a viable sink (and theres currently no way to preview it on your ship), bind to account would be a lot fairer
Why not just transfer the dilithium to the character you want the Vanity shield on and then buy it. Gets around the account bind problem.
because I want to move said shield from toon to toon if I change a build or theme. 150k per toon locked or 280k for an account moveable shield. I dont care about any 1 for 1 TRIBBLE on the exchange, this should be a sink and a bonus to those doing it.
Account movable has been brought up over the years for multiple items including ships. It will never happen. I mean might as well just account unlock it at that point what is the difference other then the small inconvenience of dropping it in a shared bank. I say make it movable for 280k a move.
50k a move sounds more like it. If im changing a theme and move said shield to a new toon because new items came out or other vanity which allows me to complete a build. Vanity is likely to be moved once if at all for anyone.
280k is fine by me....however the dealbreaker is its bind to character, not account - I'm not even going to push to get it account unlocked as I recognise its a dil sink so making it 'easily' available defeats the purpose
That said...I can understand why its bind to character for the lockbox varients...but if we are purchasing it and the idea is for it to be a dil sink...letting us move it around the account would make it more enticing as I'm not going to spend a literal month of multi-character refining (yeah, I'm lazy) to get one shield... that then I realise does not suit the current ship I'm flying
Its such a small change but I think if you want it to be a viable sink (and theres currently no way to preview it on your ship), bind to account would be a lot fairer
Why not just transfer the dilithium to the character you want the Vanity shield on and then buy it. Gets around the account bind problem.
because I want to move said shield from toon to toon if I change a build or theme. 150k per toon locked or 280k for an account moveable shield. I dont care about any 1 for 1 TRIBBLE on the exchange, this should be a sink and a bonus to those doing it.
Account movable has been brought up over the years for multiple items including ships. It will never happen. I mean might as well just account unlock it at that point what is the difference other then the small inconvenience of dropping it in a shared bank. I say make it movable for 280k a move.
50k a move sounds more like it. If im changing a theme and move said shield to a new toon because new items came out or other vanity which allows me to complete a build. Vanity is likely to be moved once if at all for anyone.
The same arguments have been made by people asking for unbind tokens for ships ect. Cryptic will never do it. They might perhaps offer a more expensive option as a account unlock. Its less work and easier to understand for consumers. I wouldn't hold your breath that they offer some 600k dil version as an account unlock. But at some point in the future I am sure we will see the mudd vanity shield choice pack... choose 3 for 10k zen, and keep rebuying till you own them all. That sounds like something Cryptic would offer.
280k is fine by me....however the dealbreaker is its bind to character, not account - I'm not even going to push to get it account unlocked as I recognise its a dil sink so making it 'easily' available defeats the purpose
That said...I can understand why its bind to character for the lockbox varients...but if we are purchasing it and the idea is for it to be a dil sink...letting us move it around the account would make it more enticing as I'm not going to spend a literal month of multi-character refining (yeah, I'm lazy) to get one shield... that then I realise does not suit the current ship I'm flying
Its such a small change but I think if you want it to be a viable sink (and theres currently no way to preview it on your ship), bind to account would be a lot fairer
Why not just transfer the dilithium to the character you want the Vanity shield on and then buy it. Gets around the account bind problem.
because I want to move said shield from toon to toon if I change a build or theme. 150k per toon locked or 280k for an account moveable shield. I dont care about any 1 for 1 TRIBBLE on the exchange, this should be a sink and a bonus to those doing it.
Account movable has been brought up over the years for multiple items including ships. It will never happen. I mean might as well just account unlock it at that point what is the difference other then the small inconvenience of dropping it in a shared bank. I say make it movable for 280k a move.
50k a move sounds more like it. If im changing a theme and move said shield to a new toon because new items came out or other vanity which allows me to complete a build. Vanity is likely to be moved once if at all for anyone.
The same arguments have been made by people asking for unbind tokens for ships ect. Cryptic will never do it. They might perhaps offer a more expensive option as a account unlock. Its less work and easier to understand for consumers. I wouldn't hold your breath that they offer some 600k dil version as an account unlock. But at some point in the future I am sure we will see the mudd vanity shield choice pack... choose 3 for 10k zen, and keep rebuying till you own them all. That sounds like something Cryptic would offer.
A vanity shield is vastly disproportionate to a T6 Ship.
280k is fine by me....however the dealbreaker is its bind to character, not account - I'm not even going to push to get it account unlocked as I recognise its a dil sink so making it 'easily' available defeats the purpose
That said...I can understand why its bind to character for the lockbox varients...but if we are purchasing it and the idea is for it to be a dil sink...letting us move it around the account would make it more enticing as I'm not going to spend a literal month of multi-character refining (yeah, I'm lazy) to get one shield... that then I realise does not suit the current ship I'm flying
Its such a small change but I think if you want it to be a viable sink (and theres currently no way to preview it on your ship), bind to account would be a lot fairer
Why not just transfer the dilithium to the character you want the Vanity shield on and then buy it. Gets around the account bind problem.
because I want to move said shield from toon to toon if I change a build or theme. 150k per toon locked or 280k for an account moveable shield. I dont care about any 1 for 1 TRIBBLE on the exchange, this should be a sink and a bonus to those doing it.
Account movable has been brought up over the years for multiple items including ships. It will never happen. I mean might as well just account unlock it at that point what is the difference other then the small inconvenience of dropping it in a shared bank. I say make it movable for 280k a move.
50k a move sounds more like it. If im changing a theme and move said shield to a new toon because new items came out or other vanity which allows me to complete a build. Vanity is likely to be moved once if at all for anyone.
The same arguments have been made by people asking for unbind tokens for ships ect. Cryptic will never do it. They might perhaps offer a more expensive option as a account unlock. Its less work and easier to understand for consumers. I wouldn't hold your breath that they offer some 600k dil version as an account unlock. But at some point in the future I am sure we will see the mudd vanity shield choice pack... choose 3 for 10k zen, and keep rebuying till you own them all. That sounds like something Cryptic would offer.
A vanity shield is vastly disproportionate to a T6 Ship.
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Its still a texture like any other that goes on a ship. There's no reason they can't add it to the list in the ship tailor, but lockout the confirm changes button while you have a vanity shield texture, just like they would do if you picked a selection that requires a zen purchase without the zen for it.
Edit: And I should add it would be fantastic advertising for these vanity shields. Without knowing the vanity shield look even exists, and you really like the look of it in the tailor, how would you know you want it for your ship and go try and buy one?
May I add something to that suggestion, or rather expand a bit on it?
A preview that works for the rep vanity shields, too, without the need to buy them to see how they look.
Maybe also for weapons, if at all possible? Though I realize this would require more work, it's still worth a shot.
@keepcalmchiveon no problem, happy to help! And I get you: I'm always advocating for cosmetic stuff to be put in the C-Store and being sellable on the exchange, too. But for the moment, I think this can help a bit.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
That's why I didn't debate with rattler2 about it. I don't know the STO in-game mechanics but the character Tailor has this method & the starship Tailor has that method already too with some various ship skins so to me it made sense.
I would too, but that kind of defeats the purpose. The purpose is to eat up as much dil as possible, and that requires people buying it on multiple characters. For the that number is 3 (1 Fed, 1 KDF, 1 ROM).
If this were zen I would definitely agree it should be account unlock, but due to the very purpose of why they are doing this, making it per character makes the most sense TBH.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
But I could see the Ba'ul one fitting all my characters and I'd be willing to pay 3-4x the price to make it an account unlock.
Earlier I didn't think I'd be interested in them at all because of the high price and per character restriction but after looking at them I saw that the Ba'ul shield is sweeeet and just the other day I was thinking if there was some cosmetic to allow my Ferengi to fly Fed ships while acknowledging their heritage.
If it was an account unlock the price tag would need to be around 1-2 MILLION dil, as a single character purchase this is one of the few times where they've actually gotten the price correct.
Yeah, a lot of people don't seem to actually understand a few simple things:
1) this is around $5 worth of zen. If $5 is too much for a single character thing for you, that's a valid opinion. Still,
2) it's actually cheaper this way than if you were buying it off the exchange converting zen to EC.
3) this is meant to be a dil sink. The entire point is to make people spend dil, not give you an account unlock for some low price.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Reasonable based on what metric?
The Section 31 Vanity shield is selling for about 350-380M EC.
At 10 Keys per pack, 1125 Zen for 10 keys you would have to spend $35-$45 to get the shield for one character.
280k Dilithium seems fair to me.
That said...I can understand why its bind to character for the lockbox varients...but if we are purchasing it and the idea is for it to be a dil sink...letting us move it around the account would make it more enticing as I'm not going to spend a literal month of multi-character refining (yeah, I'm lazy) to get one shield... that then I realise does not suit the current ship I'm flying
Its such a small change but I think if you want it to be a viable sink (and theres currently no way to preview it on your ship), bind to account would be a lot fairer
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because I want to move said shield from toon to toon if I change a build or theme. 150k per toon locked or 280k for an account moveable shield. I dont care about any 1 for 1 TRIBBLE on the exchange, this should be a sink and a bonus to those doing it.
Account movable has been brought up over the years for multiple items including ships. It will never happen. I mean might as well just account unlock it at that point what is the difference other then the small inconvenience of dropping it in a shared bank. I say make it movable for 280k a move.
50k a move sounds more like it. If im changing a theme and move said shield to a new toon because new items came out or other vanity which allows me to complete a build. Vanity is likely to be moved once if at all for anyone.
The same arguments have been made by people asking for unbind tokens for ships ect. Cryptic will never do it. They might perhaps offer a more expensive option as a account unlock. Its less work and easier to understand for consumers. I wouldn't hold your breath that they offer some 600k dil version as an account unlock. But at some point in the future I am sure we will see the mudd vanity shield choice pack... choose 3 for 10k zen, and keep rebuying till you own them all. That sounds like something Cryptic would offer.
A vanity shield is vastly disproportionate to a T6 Ship.
Indeed the vanity shield drop rate is worse.