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yuki109yuki109 Member Posts: 92 Arc User
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can we PLEEEEASE get this as a ship or at least an option ingame? it's my favorite ship but in the style of my favorite series, plus i'm a sci officer and i need a ship i can use when my friends are all rolling with their NX's, i mean i ude the daedalus for that anyway but it isn't the same.

at least add nx style nacelles and let us use the NX and NX refit skins on the daedalus if making the whole ship is too much work
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  • yuki109yuki109 Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    i mean the ship was in service and built just before the NX class was so the TOS style would be the refit version and this is the version that would fight in the romulan war
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,880 Arc User
    yuki109 wrote: »
    i mean the ship was in service and built just before the NX class was so the TOS style would be the refit version and this is the version that would fight in the romulan war

    According to the graphic you posted the Daedalus came out about a decade after the NX-01 did.
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    If I remember right the NX style Daedalus has only appeared in the video game Star Trek Legacy, so there may be rights issues unless Cryptic simply did their own NX era design.
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited June 2021
    What about the Nautilus Temporal Sci Vessel? It can be reskinned with the Daedalus looks, if you buy the T2 ship.
    https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Nautilus_Temporal_Science_Vessel
    https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Daedalus_Temporal_Science_Vessel

    I suppose it is a TOS skin, though.

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    Would be nice to get an ENT era skin as an option though. IMO the ENT asthetics work so much better with it than the TOS.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,393 Arc User
    Just remember that Cryptic won't use fan designs (too much of a legal headache) and are very unlikely to use designs from EU materials (games, books, comics or so on...) as getting rights to those is very hard and generally not worth the effort. Now if Cryptic were to make their own take of "Daedalus in the ENT era style" then yeah I'd like that.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    Well... the ENT style Daedalus isn't a fan design, but it did appear in Star Trek Legacy, as pointed out above.

    I kinda feel like its a gray area because it is a Canon design, but its also a variant that was seen in another game.
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    Pic from a mod aside, the ship class WAS seen in base Legacy as NPCs during the Enterprise era, showcased in a mission where you had to defend three of them delivering medical aid to planets afflicted by a plague from Romulan attack. Basically the Earth-Romulan War. It took modders to make the ship actually playable.

    So again... canon design, but a variant. Gray area as far as I know.
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  • sovereign010sovereign010 Member Posts: 641 Arc User
    That's the thing, we have a ship that has a primitive design yet is supposed to be more advanced than the Akiraprise. It's presumed it was launched when the NX-01 was decommissioned after the events of TATV when the Federation was founded.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,880 Arc User
    edited June 2021
    That's the thing, we have a ship that has a primitive design yet is supposed to be more advanced than the Akiraprise. It's presumed it was launched when the NX-01 was decommissioned after the events of TATV when the Federation was founded.

    Why would it be a "primitive design"? Perhaps the early Federation was not incredibly well funded or else wanted an efficient and easy to quickly build and maintain design. Spheres are very tough and efficient, standardized sectioned cylinders are more versatile as an outer casing than custom monolithic armored housings for the nacelles and necks, etc. The outside of the ships may look klunky but the insides probably had state of the art equipment, and that is the important thing operationally.
  • yuki109yuki109 Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    yeah just look at how simple modern warships look compared to ww2 ones sure they could cover modern ships with just as much stuff but they don't need to
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator
    Why would it be a "primitive design"? Perhaps the early Federation was not incredibly well funded or else wanted an efficient and easy to quickly build and maintain design. Spheres are very tough and efficient, standardized sectioned cylinders are more versatile as an outer casing than custom monolithic armored housings for the nacelles and necks, etc. The outside of the ships may look klunky but the insides probably had state of the art equipment, and that is the important thing operationally.

    Could be primitive visually compared to the NX class, due to having been designed LONG before the NX class established the 22nd Centruy look. Back then the oldest design known was the TOS Connie, so they had to make her look less advanced than that.

    Its one of the minor issues that sometimes comes up with prequels. There's always something that doesn't quite fit. However there are designs that do alter the asthetics of the Daedelus to fit the Ent asthetics while maintaining the core design elements that make her recognizable, as seen above in the pictures. While not official, they are very well done.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,880 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Why would it be a "primitive design"? Perhaps the early Federation was not incredibly well funded or else wanted an efficient and easy to quickly build and maintain design. Spheres are very tough and efficient, standardized sectioned cylinders are more versatile as an outer casing than custom monolithic armored housings for the nacelles and necks, etc. The outside of the ships may look klunky but the insides probably had state of the art equipment, and that is the important thing operationally.

    Could be primitive visually compared to the NX class, due to having been designed LONG before the NX class established the 22nd Centruy look. Back then the oldest design known was the TOS Connie, so they had to make her look less advanced than that.

    Its one of the minor issues that sometimes comes up with prequels. There's always something that doesn't quite fit. However there are designs that do alter the asthetics of the Daedelus to fit the Ent asthetics while maintaining the core design elements that make her recognizable, as seen above in the pictures. While not official, they are very well done.

    The Daedalus was never anything but an early "napkin sketch" level drawing that was rejected as being too conventional so Jefferies never developed it any further, that clunky seamed tube look comes from later artists interpretations of that sketch. If it was ever actually built for the show it would no doubt have had a smoother, less crude look to it more like the Aftermath version than the Kuehn. Jefferies was adamant that by that time all maintenance was done from inside the ship and the hulls were to be mostly smooth and featureless.

    The Kuehn one has a distinctly DSC look to it despite having the glowing warp baffles on the wrong side of the nacelles, (those are the things that were supposed to be able to "see" each other, the TOS Enterprise had the grills but they were not lit).
  • yuki109yuki109 Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    feels like the only way we would ever get one of these will be if the daedalus shows up in discovery but then it will be oversized probably
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
    That's the thing, we have a ship that has a primitive design yet is supposed to be more advanced than the Akiraprise. It's presumed it was launched when the NX-01 was decommissioned after the events of TATV when the Federation was founded.

    Why primitive? To me, LESS is MORE. I always felt TOS had some of the most advanced designs. Something covered in mega detail and greebles and kibble does not make something look advanced. Look at the average phone now.....ONE BUTTON, and the phone is all smooth.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    Look at the average phone now.....ONE BUTTON, and the phone is all smooth.

    I personally hate that, I've never understood the war on bezels and buttons.
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  • mysonne1mysonne1 Member Posts: 74 Arc User
    One of the nastiest looking starships ever designed.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
    Look at the average phone now.....ONE BUTTON, and the phone is all smooth.

    I personally hate that, I've never understood the war on bezels and buttons.

    Fewer moving parts.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    Look at the average phone now.....ONE BUTTON, and the phone is all smooth.

    I personally hate that, I've never understood the war on bezels and buttons.

    Fewer moving parts.

    I prefer the tactile feedback provided by real buttons, and the extra grip area provided by bezels.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,669 Community Moderator

    The Daedalus was never anything but an early "napkin sketch" level drawing...

    Not entirely accurate.
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    Sisko had a model of one in his office. So I'd say it went beyond the "napkin sketch" stage.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,880 Arc User
    edited June 2021
    rattler2 wrote: »

    The Daedalus was never anything but an early "napkin sketch" level drawing...

    Not entirely accurate.
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    Sisko had a model of one in his office. So I'd say it went beyond the "napkin sketch" stage.

    Yes, someone went back and looked at the quick sketches and made the Daedalus using their own interpretations of it, I said that later on in the line you quoted in the part ". . . that clunky seamed tube look comes from later artists interpretations of that sketch".

    The original sketches had curved lines indicating that the tubes were round instead of flat surfaces and the later designer apparently decided they would make good seam points to give it a sort of welded or bolted together look. Jefferies would have made it smooth because of the design philosophy of having everything serviceable from the inside, and the ceramic coating (the "paint" that makes Federation ships white instead of greenish bronze like Klingon ships) would have covered up any seams.

    Personally I don't mind the homely seamed look, it makes it look like something quickly and easily put together out of standardized pieces, and the design is more practical overall than the stuff in DSC and PIC though it shares the art deco style with them to some extent.
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