Wrong. The golden rule only relates to your personal behavior, not anyone else's. The golden rule has nothing to do with treating other people badly, even if you think they deserve it.
No, the golden rule applies to your behaviors as an indication of how you wish others to treat you back, hence the "as you wish to be treated" bit. People do not exist in bubbles, nor is the way they are treated entirely dependent on others simply being that way. That sort of mindset is just trying to shift the responsibility of being treated kindly onto everyone else, without accepting your own role in the manner.
You just don't get it, man. The 'golden rule' isn't about how other people treat you, at all. It only relates to your personal behavior, period. Saying 'treat other people the way you want to be treated' is the same thing as saying 'you want people to be nice to you, so be nice to them too'. It doesn't mean 'eye for an eye', which is what you are arguing.
Rich coming from someone who constantly tries to placate people with insincere platitudes.
I have said nothing insincere. I do think you are very smart and make a lot of really good posts, with the exception of the rude comments you seem to feel compelled to make in most of them.
There's nothing in canon stating the Crossfield class was going to be limited development, only that they're new and experimental when the show begins. Same deal as the Excelsior class when we first see it. Or the Defiant class, for that matter.
Except for the fact that they were made to test the Spore drive, and the spore drive was classified and shelved following Discovery S2, meaning no more Crossfields were made to test something that wasn't being tested, and the Federation was denying even existed.
Watching the shows helps.
Just because the spore drive was classified and sealed in no reason to kill a ship design. The Excelsior is the perfect example. in ST3 the excelsior was suppose to have had "Transwarp drive" clearly it did not, since later generations of starships did not have TWD. that did not stop the excelsior class from becoming one of the most prolific starship designs in starfleet. a conventionally powered Crossfield would not be out of the ordinary. they may have simply renamed the class of ship. That happened in the 60s when the USS Thresher sank. after the loss, the class was renamed the Permit class. there is nothing saying that that was not what happened in Dis. after all the called the Crossfield class, indicating there is a USS Crossfield out there somewhere.
I'm back in STO since 3 or 4 days. I created a kdf recruit at the launch of the event (I check the news even if I don't play at STO).
I like everything done to revamp all the kdf content (characters, qo'nos, gre'thor is really nice), but it is too short and there are too few kdf missions. When away from STO, i played at an other game with "star" in its name. in STO, i miss the specific content for factions. After the last kdf mission, it doesn't matter if you play a rom, kdf, fed toon, and it is really sad.
The event itself is not bad, but personnally I can't do for the 999th time the same missions. Maybe, for the next recruit event, this part could be modified.
I have questions:
the difference between the kdf (tng) and dsc klingons physical appearances, is explained somewhere?
what is the link between Ju'la and the elachi/mycellial realm?
why there are 2 kinds of elachi? And what is the link between these elachi, and the ones seen in Star Trek: Enterprise.
In fact, if someone would have a link to a page where is explained all the stuff about the elachi (the experiments made on the Romulans etc) , that would be cool (i'm totally lost)
There's nothing in canon stating the Crossfield class was going to be limited development, only that they're new and experimental when the show begins. Same deal as the Excelsior class when we first see it. Or the Defiant class, for that matter.
Except for the fact that they were made to test the Spore drive, and the spore drive was classified and shelved following Discovery S2, meaning no more Crossfields were made to test something that wasn't being tested, and the Federation was denying even existed.
Watching the shows helps.
The Discovery and the Glenn were the only two Crossfields built with modifications specifically for the spore drive experiment but obviously there were more than two Crossfield class ships built. First there is the class name which as others have pointed out must belong to the first ship of the class, and several other bits of evidence that point to a very cool bit of convergence.
Second, dialog points out that the Crossfields are set up to host up to a hundred different experiments simultaneously. That never happens with the Discovery or the Glenn in the show, the ships seem to be specialized for the one experiment, with most or all of its (probably reduced number of) labs supporting just the one program in various ways. So it must be others of the Crossfield class that are set up for multiple independent research projects at once.
Third, (and this is the cool part) some of the ship information displays still show a different silhouette for the ship, with what looks like a solid saucer and shorter nacelles with rear mounted struts instead of the long trailing ones Discovery and Glenn have. So in essence they already showed everyone what the non-modified Crossfield class looks like at Comic-Con 2016 way before the show itself premiered:
And there is at least one similar classe(s) that have been shown on screen, the Planet of Titans ship shown in Spacedock in TMP and B-24-CLN (another PoT concept model) shown in Surplus Depot Z15 in the TNG episode Unification.
So while the model with the sphere and concentric rings instead of a saucer and the elongated warp nacelles may (or may not) have only seen only two built there would be an unknown number of the others since the dialog does not rule them out and the display visuals show that the base class is probably a bit different.
Overall.... it was good. I mean, I don't think I'll look back on/replay it with quite the enthusiasm I do with some of the Iconian arc missions and, for me, 'Midnight' is still my standout episode - no episode before or since has engaged me the way that one did.
I totally agree. Midnight as long as it was, wasn't one of those 'here comes wave after wave' type missions we have seen lately.
I honestly hope you can get over this urge you have to end your posts with some petty attack on the person you are arguing with. Not only will it make your comments better, but it will actually make you feel better as a person to not be releasing that negativity all the time.
Don't hold your breath. I have never seen someone so full of themselves in my life, and that's after twenty years of dealing with my stepfather.
Anyway, on topic: My thoughts on the YoK? Meh. Not great, not terrible.
I have questions:
the difference between the kdf (tng) and dsc klingons physical appearances, is explained somewhere?
what is the link between Ju'la and the elachi/mycellial realm?
why there are 2 kinds of elachi? And what is the link between these elachi, and the ones seen in Star Trek: Enterprise.
In fact, if someone would have a link to a page where is explained all the stuff about the elachi (the experiments made on the Romulans etc) , that would be cool (i'm totally lost)
-Klingons look different between TNG and DSC for the same reason they looked different between TOS and TMP, because they had more budget, and Bryan Fuller thought they looked better this way in DSC. Bryan Fuller was fired before DSC S1 came out, but by that point they couldn't undo it because they were too far in. In S2 of Discovery they toned the makeup back closer to the TNG style.
-J'Ula stole mycelium technology from Straal, Stamets' scientific partner, and the USS Glenn, the sister ship of the USS Discovery, back in the DSC era(as seen in the "Secrets" mission). She used it to build her weapon so she could use it against the Federation during the Federation/Klingon War, but the weapon backfired and threw her into the future(as seen in the "Downfall" mission). Upon arriving into the future she shot probes into the mycelial realm to collect more spores, which caused mutations in the Elachi(as seen in the "beneath the skin" mission), and made the Elachi not like her very much. She continued to abuse the mycelial realm, and the Elachi, for her own ends(To Hell With Honor), which made them like her even less.
-The two groups of Elachi came about because J'ula's probes started causing corruption in the Mcyelial Realm, which caused some Elachi to partially revert back to their original selves, freeing them from the control of the Elachi fungus(Beneath the Skin). The normal Elachi are the ones who attacked the NX Enterprise back in the "Silent Enemy" episode under order of the Iconians, who they serve. And there are actually three groups of Elachi. The normal Elachi who serve the Iconians, the corrupted Elachi who are hostile to like everything, and the freed Elachi who have regained some semblance of thier former selves.
Actually, there are quite a few explanations for the different Klingon looks. In fact the TOS Klingons are now covered twice, with both the augment virus from ENT and the fusion process that was used to create Tyler/Voq) in DSC. As for the rest of them, Glenn Hetrick gave the best explanation in a number of interviews where he said that behind the scenes it is assumed that not all of the great houses are native to Qo'noS (which only makes sense, it is a star empire, not just a planetary or continental one).
So, sooo, tired of devs not posting here, or twitter, or reddit, or discord(s) and then after so much time get offended when called out
answer some damn question, respond to concerns, and you wont have to people stepping up to you in a rude manner
Devs directly avoiding the forums is not something new. It is actually pretty normal these days. That is why they hire community managers. Now having a community manager avoid their own forums...yeah....
Keep in mind he is not just the community manager of Star Trek Online but also Champions. It is hard enough managing one community, doing two! Oh my head hurts! I agree though that he needs to spend more time on the STO forums as well it would be nice to sometimes see the devs pop their heads in. Including even Andre Emerson. Another thing is adding a widget or something like it that posts on the forums and social media at the same time.
With that said, I did not have a problem with the story. I am still an ally and not a friend. I have made that clear in the story, my character is just keeping up appearances and going along with their orders. With that said, the one episode could have been split into two. I am also not really a fan of episodes which then become patrols or TFOs. I like episodes being episodes and TFOs being TFOs. But that is just me.
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You just don't get it, man. The 'golden rule' isn't about how other people treat you, at all. It only relates to your personal behavior, period. Saying 'treat other people the way you want to be treated' is the same thing as saying 'you want people to be nice to you, so be nice to them too'. It doesn't mean 'eye for an eye', which is what you are arguing.
I have said nothing insincere. I do think you are very smart and make a lot of really good posts, with the exception of the rude comments you seem to feel compelled to make in most of them.
Do better, man. Do better
Just because the spore drive was classified and sealed in no reason to kill a ship design. The Excelsior is the perfect example. in ST3 the excelsior was suppose to have had "Transwarp drive" clearly it did not, since later generations of starships did not have TWD. that did not stop the excelsior class from becoming one of the most prolific starship designs in starfleet. a conventionally powered Crossfield would not be out of the ordinary. they may have simply renamed the class of ship. That happened in the 60s when the USS Thresher sank. after the loss, the class was renamed the Permit class. there is nothing saying that that was not what happened in Dis. after all the called the Crossfield class, indicating there is a USS Crossfield out there somewhere.
I like everything done to revamp all the kdf content (characters, qo'nos, gre'thor is really nice), but it is too short and there are too few kdf missions. When away from STO, i played at an other game with "star" in its name. in STO, i miss the specific content for factions. After the last kdf mission, it doesn't matter if you play a rom, kdf, fed toon, and it is really sad.
The event itself is not bad, but personnally I can't do for the 999th time the same missions. Maybe, for the next recruit event, this part could be modified.
I have questions:
the difference between the kdf (tng) and dsc klingons physical appearances, is explained somewhere?
what is the link between Ju'la and the elachi/mycellial realm?
why there are 2 kinds of elachi? And what is the link between these elachi, and the ones seen in Star Trek: Enterprise.
In fact, if someone would have a link to a page where is explained all the stuff about the elachi (the experiments made on the Romulans etc) , that would be cool (i'm totally lost)
The Discovery and the Glenn were the only two Crossfields built with modifications specifically for the spore drive experiment but obviously there were more than two Crossfield class ships built. First there is the class name which as others have pointed out must belong to the first ship of the class, and several other bits of evidence that point to a very cool bit of convergence.
Second, dialog points out that the Crossfields are set up to host up to a hundred different experiments simultaneously. That never happens with the Discovery or the Glenn in the show, the ships seem to be specialized for the one experiment, with most or all of its (probably reduced number of) labs supporting just the one program in various ways. So it must be others of the Crossfield class that are set up for multiple independent research projects at once.
Third, (and this is the cool part) some of the ship information displays still show a different silhouette for the ship, with what looks like a solid saucer and shorter nacelles with rear mounted struts instead of the long trailing ones Discovery and Glenn have. So in essence they already showed everyone what the non-modified Crossfield class looks like at Comic-Con 2016 way before the show itself premiered:
And there is at least one similar classe(s) that have been shown on screen, the Planet of Titans ship shown in Spacedock in TMP and B-24-CLN (another PoT concept model) shown in Surplus Depot Z15 in the TNG episode Unification.
So while the model with the sphere and concentric rings instead of a saucer and the elongated warp nacelles may (or may not) have only seen only two built there would be an unknown number of the others since the dialog does not rule them out and the display visuals show that the base class is probably a bit different.
I totally agree. Midnight as long as it was, wasn't one of those 'here comes wave after wave' type missions we have seen lately.
Don't hold your breath. I have never seen someone so full of themselves in my life, and that's after twenty years of dealing with my stepfather.
Anyway, on topic: My thoughts on the YoK? Meh. Not great, not terrible.
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thx a lot.
btw, I know about the budget problem. I meant this "budget problem" is explained in the story? which tricks are used to explain that?
Ok, seriously, you do not get to invalidate anyone's opinion in a discussion forum. That's gatekeeping. It's really not cool, stop it.
Keep in mind he is not just the community manager of Star Trek Online but also Champions. It is hard enough managing one community, doing two! Oh my head hurts! I agree though that he needs to spend more time on the STO forums as well it would be nice to sometimes see the devs pop their heads in. Including even Andre Emerson. Another thing is adding a widget or something like it that posts on the forums and social media at the same time.
With that said, I did not have a problem with the story. I am still an ally and not a friend. I have made that clear in the story, my character is just keeping up appearances and going along with their orders. With that said, the one episode could have been split into two. I am also not really a fan of episodes which then become patrols or TFOs. I like episodes being episodes and TFOs being TFOs. But that is just me.