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Aren't the TOS torpedos supposed to be red? In game they're blue, but if memory serves that was supposed to be blasts from the phasers in the original TV show.
Is this something that was ever acknowledged, or am I getting my wires crossed with the colours?
Is this something that was ever acknowledged, or am I getting my wires crossed with the colours?
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The red torpedoes were from the movies, and when TOS-R (the remastered stuff) was done they used red instead to be more familiar looking to movie and TNG era viewers.
Unfortunately, even if you ignore the color, the remastering crew totally botched the launcher position (one of many mistakes that could have been avoided if they looked at the script notes and memos from TOS). Remastered showed only one tube from the center front of the sensor dome ring, but the dialog clearly references six forward tubes, three on each side with odd numbers on one side and even numbers on the other. Also, the original effects showed the torpedoes launching from slightly above the ring and further back (more or less in line with the center point of the dome when seen from the side).
Another bit of trivia is that TOS ship phasers were not always blue. They were blue most often (about seventy percent of the time), with red about thirty percent of the time, and they were green only once (when they stunned several blocks from orbit on the "gangster planet").
Another thing is that the ship did not have turrets like they show in the movies and on DSC, it had a pair of track phasers that glided independently along the sensor dome ring according to both Roddenbery and Jefferies though they never had the budget to show them close up enough to see it. If one of those phasers was destroyed or lost a replacement was sent out via the turbolift tubes (again, no budget to show anything like that so they did not bother talking about it in dialog, though they might have had the fourth and fifth seasons ever been made).
I grew up on the original movies so I've watched TOS in retrospect but I'm not intimately familiar with it, hence asking.
I do wish there was a super-dramatic looking and sounding torpedo like we see in TMP for example when the Klingons approach the V'Ger cloud.
Agony torpedo is like a orangish gold if I recall...you mean the antiproton torpedo?
Gravimetric photon is a nice torp and also red
Problem with a lot of these is you can only equip one per ship and I like to play space barbie and have things somewhat screen accurate, having mismatched fore and aft torps causes me quite a bit of stress
For blue the Kelvin photon (lock box, exchange) has a 4 second cooldown instead of 6 seconds - https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Kelvin_Timeline_Photon_Torpedo_Launcher
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If you have lobi and use antiproton weapons there are 2 torpedoes...one energy but one kinetic though
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Crystalline_Energy_Torpedo_Launcher
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Linked_Sentry
You don't even need lobi for the crystalline energy torpedo, it is in the phoenix store now, along with the agony phaser torp.
For the most part when torps were used they were blue(ish) white (emphasis on white though) the TOS and DSC torps are a fair representation of what they looked on-screen (with DSC torp being close enough both in STO and DSC, that you could legally consider them identical).
which come from the Terran Rep.
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Prolonged_Engagement_Set#Prolonged_Engagement_Photon_Torpedo
On TOS-R (IE Remastered) - yes they are all red.
Wioth the original TOS - they were more often bright white. In fact the only timme I believe they were shown as red was when fired against the Gorn ship in TOS S1 - "Arena".
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You might be surprised at how good the full resolution is. Even today with the film deterioration from improper storage and subsequent restoration it is not bad.
Star Trek TOS was shot in 35mm and the clarity was actually good enough for the theatre, though the sets and costumes were not designed for that kind of resolution so seams in the "wild" (moveable) set sections of the set and pins in the costumes could sometimes be seen in slides printed from the original and (less often) in the 16mm copies of the episodes that sometimes were shown at conventions (though it still fared a lot better than Battlestar Galactica did when they made a theater cut of the pilot of that series).
there's a reason I used the "equipment" rather then "cameras". Few if any in the 1960s had TVs that could take advantage of the Full resolution in which TOS was shot and they knew it in fact the reason for the bright primary color uniforms is that they wanted to show they had color and uniforms like the ones used in the pilots might read as black and white in some of the lower quality color TVs of the era or so I've read.
That's probably why stuff starts to show the seams when viewed at full resolution as it was never meant to be viewed that way. since the few who might have TVs that high quality and big enough to view the full resolution would be so rare that you wouldn't have worry about. Kind of how now you don't have to worry about some rich guy who has his TV projected into an IMAX screen as there wouldn't be that many of them.
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Some torpedo images for ya..Duplicated like the Sentry and AP energy (stuff like that) arent carried over as they use the same animation.
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> Then, there is also ENT with In a Mirror Darkly that went with the full classic look, at 1:27:
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Wow! Some of the set and costume details were nice. The crew did a really good job.
Tripp is working in that engineering hexagonal engine corridor. I never realized that. I kind of like how STO made the TOS engineering because it looks screen-accurate With that hall preserving the forced perspective of the Desilu set. But it would have been interesting too if they modeled that as an actual useable space.
Also the defiant badges are gold-colored metal rather than the patches used in Tholian web. But it is those kind of details that really make the TOS aesthetic look accurate and yet a little more contemporary With TNG or 90s Star Trek.
Thanks for sharing that!
This why I laugh at folks who say TOS don't look good on modern screens. HA!
While I will admit that the set, prop, and CGI designers in Enterprise did an excellent job recreating the TOS stuff, I still think the aesthetic itself looks like garbage just like I did back in the early 90s when I saw a TOS rerun for the first time (the Kirk movies and TNG show were my introduction to Trek as a kid). Since I loved TWoK my mom said I should watch Space Seed, but when I tried to watch TOS I couldn't stop laughing at the set design.
My TOS themed character uses what I consider to be the ideal TOS revamp: Disco special effects, JJPrise uniforms, Disco Connie with advanced phasers and JJ torpedoes, and Undiscovered Country phaser pistols.
The fact that TOS looks silly to you is just a matter of personal taste, not everyone likes the same styles. For instance, personally I think the JJprise looks like a ridiculous chibi spoof, cringeworthy to the point where it is hard to take the movies seriously at all , and the DSC Enterprise has a flat, boring, generic industrial look without the grace of the original.
And the Kelvin movie uniforms are quite not as bad as the bedazzled blue nightmares that DSC used, but they are close to it and take all the bad things about third season TOS uniforms and make them even worse with the 3D printed deltas and stiff uncomfortable look. But there isn't any actual right or wrong, it is all individual preference (though there is that annoying incompatibility issue between the two series).
While the ship sets were limited to wood and drywall because that is what Desilu had available (they did the first pilot on speculation because none of the networks were willing to order even a pilot at that point, and since Desilu mainly made comedies and cop shows they mostly had house and office set building supplies), they actually made the sets to movie grade standards of the time.
It only made sense to do so since each episode would be using more special effects than most of the movies of the time and the final fallback option was to make The Cage as a movie if they could not get the networks or the syndication outlets to take it up.
I mean, you're from the 22nd century, trying to figure out how to make a good starship, but you do with what you can and as a result, your ship interior still looks like a cramped submarine with cables and metallic colors everywhere.
And then, out of nowhere, a ship from 100 years in the future shows up and not only is this thing a powerhouse that puts everything you've done to shame by far, but Starfleet engineers are so great in the future that once they were done building this unstoppable monster of a warship, they had the gall to call it an exploration ship, make it as warm and comfy as possible, said "tech, serious-looking jumpsuits are for losers and we don't need them with the rest of our tech, so feel free to wear basic bright colored shirts, folks" and then went a step further and gave the whole thing an old-school, 60s look.
Why? "Because why not? We're so badass at our stuff that we're gonna theme our ships on so-called outdated aesthetics because it rules and we know some officers are into this!" *sounds of synthetol bottles colliding together*
I mean what feels more badass/advanced? A ship that works and has a classic, normal look based on what you can currently think the future could be? Or a ship that curbstomps everything it encounters and yet looks like a prop from a low-budget series?
Personally, the latter, as it implies the tech is so good and easy to make, that you can casually give it whatever design you want and nobody bats an eye.