Freeman: Jorin.... *Puts a hand on his shoulder* you're a good man... No need to humiliate him and have him at our mercy as a guilty man... You fought like hell with him, kept your honor intact.. I'm happy to call you my Jedi master and... I'd hug you if I didn't think I'd hurt your ribs... Everything should be square now... What now?
Donovan: God, that feels better... *Has his eye put back in it's socket with no lasting after effects
"We have no tomorrow, but there's still hope for the future. In our struggle to survive the present, we push the future farther away. Will I see it in my lifetime? Probably not. Which means there's no time to waste. Someday the world will no longer need us. No need for the gun, or the hand to pull the trigger." -Punished Snake
jorin: *sits up grimacing and holding his back.* that drop kick really did a number on my back.... i doubt many will like this out come but at least i kept my honor and ideals intact.
rin: *walks over to donovan.* well as part of the terms you've won and proven your innocence so you're free to go.
"The rains have ceased and we are graced with another beautiful day. but you are not here to see it."
(Federation citizens seem to have a right to bare arms, picard with all the disruptors around his house, raffi (who is dishonorably discharged from starfleet) had an energy rifle on earth itself, Rios had them on his ship... Those are just picard examples which I can feel you'll hate so here are some others. Guinan has a giant rifle behind the bar on the Enterprise, and she's a private citizen. The colony on Tau Cygni V had armed citizens.... the most significant thing about every single one of those examples is that the guns never surprised anybody in the slightest. They never claimed they would be obligated to confiscate illegal weapons. They never argued the weapons were in the wrong hands and as far as we can tell, they are the ones enforcing Federation law and upholding Federation principles... So yeah, there basically is an apparent right to bare arms, I doubt klingons would object... And if it's a Romulan thing, they can't apply that on a federation station.)
Freeman: show them the recording and I'm sure they'll be satisfied one way or another. Road kill face for a small bullet wound. It goes over eye for an eye to eye for an entire head... More than fair it you ask me.... I told you he'd make a good mando... You have a foot of height on him, a few hundred pounds in muscle, a big metal bionic arm... He saw all that and still fought valliently... Stood up when he looked like he was gonna stay down.... He's got courage and heart... We're all even now.. want me to get you to medbay back on the ship or do you just wanna sleep?
Donovan: *resting on the ground* let me just.... Rest here for a bit... Don't want to get blood on my suit... *Coughs some more blood into his hand, starting to heal more* I need a room to sleep for.... Long time... A very long time... *Looking around the empty holodeck*
"We have no tomorrow, but there's still hope for the future. In our struggle to survive the present, we push the future farther away. Will I see it in my lifetime? Probably not. Which means there's no time to waste. Someday the world will no longer need us. No need for the gun, or the hand to pull the trigger." -Punished Snake
(Owning weapons doesn't mean you have a right to own them. It also doesn't mean that they're illegal. I highly doubt there is any "right to bear arms" the only reason that was put in our constitution in the first place was due to the time period the constitution was made in, when they needed everyone armed to fight. Nowadays it doesn't do much. So I'd say its most likely completely legal for Federation citizens to own weapons. But its not a right to own firearms. Don't misunderstand. Even without right to bear arms, arms can be legal. I just Don't think the federation would consider it a right.)
Seventeen: I'll have the medical team take you to a set of quarters on the station. *she rubs her temples*
Medic: I think there's one right around here on deck 3. Are you able to walk? *she looks at Donovan, and she appears to be an andorian*
Henha: What about you guys? *she walks over to Jorin*
jorin: a soak in a bacta tank would be nice right about now....
"The rains have ceased and we are graced with another beautiful day. but you are not here to see it."
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(My 2 ECs on the subject is that the Federation probably does have something similar. Not only that, but weapons are kind of necessary in many places, including out on the frontier because of various threats as well as piracy. So people legally can own weapons and use them. Right now one of the only personal weapons I can think of that is illegal is the Varon-T Disruptor as it was basically lethal torture. Most other weapons are most likely fair game. Especially Phasers due to the non-lethal setting.)
Krystal: I can check with Tala. I've kinda been off duty for a while so I'm not entirely up to speed on everything.
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Kayla: *crosses her arms across her chest* Matthew... *sigh* I'll see what I can do to make it less painful, but unfortunately... you kinda deserve the aftermath. And hopefully you'll remember this next time you decide to binge on curry. Maybe tone down the amount because you're not invincible.
Before you protest Matt... you're the one suffering right now. So keep that in mind. *goes to get a hypo*
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
(Again, being allowed to own weapons doesn't mean they consider it a right to own weapons. You don't have a "right" to own a tv, yet you are allowed to own tvs. I would say its legal to own weapons, but there is no "second amendment" for the federation, especially considering how peace focused they are. Yes there would be plenty of places where where weapons would be required, but like I pointed out, if its legal you don't need a "right" to own them, to own them)
(Chiming in here. Given various civilians and former Starfleet officers were able to possess weapons without even a single peep from Starfleet Security, that implies that there is a Right to Bear Arms clause in Federation law. Further, it is also heavily implied in the Novels, from which STO draws many of it’s sources from, and the Federation is modelled off a lot of democratic countries from IRL, including but not limited to; The United States, Canada, Britain, and Germany. There would be no doubt some limits on firearms, but there is a clear implication that a Right to Bear Arms clause exists, even if not outright stated.)
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I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Nick: yeah just give tala a ring, we can still walk to the holodeck.
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Other Universe Nick: I had mine with veggies, shrimp and rice.... I also had some naan bread. Then again I ate a large bowl not 40 pounds.
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Donovan: I could walk but it would be painful... Can you put my stuff in a bag so I don't cover it in my own blood?
Freeman: understandable. You want some help up Jorin?
"We have no tomorrow, but there's still hope for the future. In our struggle to survive the present, we push the future farther away. Will I see it in my lifetime? Probably not. Which means there's no time to waste. Someday the world will no longer need us. No need for the gun, or the hand to pull the trigger." -Punished Snake
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
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Krystal: You guys go on ahead. I'll get the grill.
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Kayla: Maybe I should. *crosses her arms across her chest* Sucks having a medical officer as a wife doesn't it? *holds up the hypo* You want a pinkiller or not?
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
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Kayla: Might want to remember that next time you have an attitude while in pain. *presses the hypo to his neck and injects* I might decide you'd learn from the pain.
Sometime after you recover, you should spend time with the kids. *grabs a PADD and hands it to him* Here... reading material or games... whatever you need while you're in there. Go get comfortable.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,689Community Moderator
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 58,689Community Moderator
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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> @sevenofnine13141 said: > (Chiming in here. Given various civilians and former Starfleet officers were able to possess weapons without even a single peep from Starfleet Security, that implies that there is a Right to Bear Arms clause in Federation law. Further, it is also heavily implied in the Novels, from which STO draws many of it’s sources from, and the Federation is modelled off a lot of democratic countries from IRL, including but not limited to; The United States, Canada, Britain, and Germany. There would be no doubt some limits on firearms, but there is a clear implication that a Right to Bear Arms clause exists, even if not outright stated.)
(Again, I don't think you understand. Being allowed to own firearms DOES NOT MEAN there is a right to own them. You do not have a right to own a TV, or a car or a video game console. But you're legally allowed to own them because they're legal. Something can be legal without you having a right to own it. And I think most likely that's the case with the federation. They would not take some amendment from America and have it be law, considering the federation, is not america)
Medic: We'll get right on it. *they put his gear and clothes he's not wearing in a container and 2 of them carry him off on a stretcher along with his stuff*
Other Universe Nick: vegetables are delicious though. Some broccoli and cheese or broccoli and general tso's sauce. Or stuffed mushrooms... Yes I know those are fungi... But yeah, future kids apparently. I know such situations.
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Nick: why not use a grill from the holodeck?
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Donovan: thanks...
(I mean... I think everyone else disagrees and we have no other proof, so majority it seems)
"We have no tomorrow, but there's still hope for the future. In our struggle to survive the present, we push the future farther away. Will I see it in my lifetime? Probably not. Which means there's no time to waste. Someday the world will no longer need us. No need for the gun, or the hand to pull the trigger." -Punished Snake
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
(There's also no proof in favor of you 3. So we're at an impasse, because as I pointed out them simply owning weapons is not proof of a "right to bear arms")
(Look at it this way since you 3 seem to not understand what I'm saying. There are MANY countries that have no right to bear arms, but you can legally own a firearm within them, though usually with some limitations. Like Canadians and people in Japan can own hunting rifles and handguns, but neither country has a Right to bear arms)
Men are not punished for their sins, but by them.
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Krystal: I have a real one. And personally I like that one better.
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Kayla: *heads out*
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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(yeah but it's still 3 to 1. And what harm does it have to have it? I'm saying majority kinda stands here.)
Nick: fair enough. lets go. *Leads Ezri, Zach, Gaia, and Valendria to the holodeck*
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Other Universe Nick: *follows kayla* need help looking for them?
"We have no tomorrow, but there's still hope for the future. In our struggle to survive the present, we push the future farther away. Will I see it in my lifetime? Probably not. Which means there's no time to waste. Someday the world will no longer need us. No need for the gun, or the hand to pull the trigger." -Punished Snake
(Because it influences the rp. If you're just going to pull 3 to 1 or whatever I might as well just not even bother, and realistically its 2 to 1. Seven hasn't rped on here in months)
(no it doesn't; whether a right to bear arms exists or it's just a law that civilians can be armed does not in any way affect donovan being allowed to keep his firearm
and by the way, thanks for airing private correspondence in public, jackass - for anyone confused, he just went and whined about all this in a public STO channel)
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Comments
Donovan: God, that feels better... *Has his eye put back in it's socket with no lasting after effects
rin: *walks over to donovan.* well as part of the terms you've won and proven your innocence so you're free to go.
Kinkoshi: I suppose this is the end of the trial. Computer, end program. *The arena fades away back to the normal holodeck*
Henha: *She yawns* This has been a long day...
Freeman: show them the recording and I'm sure they'll be satisfied one way or another. Road kill face for a small bullet wound. It goes over eye for an eye to eye for an entire head... More than fair it you ask me.... I told you he'd make a good mando... You have a foot of height on him, a few hundred pounds in muscle, a big metal bionic arm... He saw all that and still fought valliently... Stood up when he looked like he was gonna stay down.... He's got courage and heart... We're all even now.. want me to get you to medbay back on the ship or do you just wanna sleep?
Donovan: *resting on the ground* let me just.... Rest here for a bit... Don't want to get blood on my suit... *Coughs some more blood into his hand, starting to heal more* I need a room to sleep for.... Long time... A very long time... *Looking around the empty holodeck*
Seventeen: I'll have the medical team take you to a set of quarters on the station. *she rubs her temples*
Medic: I think there's one right around here on deck 3. Are you able to walk? *she looks at Donovan, and she appears to be an andorian*
Henha: What about you guys? *she walks over to Jorin*
Krystal: I can check with Tala. I've kinda been off duty for a while so I'm not entirely up to speed on everything.
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Kayla: *crosses her arms across her chest* Matthew... *sigh* I'll see what I can do to make it less painful, but unfortunately... you kinda deserve the aftermath. And hopefully you'll remember this next time you decide to binge on curry. Maybe tone down the amount because you're not invincible.
Before you protest Matt... you're the one suffering right now. So keep that in mind. *goes to get a hypo*
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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Other Universe Nick: I had mine with veggies, shrimp and rice.... I also had some naan bread. Then again I ate a large bowl not 40 pounds.
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Donovan: I could walk but it would be painful... Can you put my stuff in a bag so I don't cover it in my own blood?
Freeman: understandable. You want some help up Jorin?
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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Kayla: Maybe I should. *crosses her arms across her chest* Sucks having a medical officer as a wife doesn't it? *holds up the hypo* You want a pinkiller or not?
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Sometime after you recover, you should spend time with the kids. *grabs a PADD and hands it to him* Here... reading material or games... whatever you need while you're in there. Go get comfortable.
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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colored text = mod mode
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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> (Chiming in here. Given various civilians and former Starfleet officers were able to possess weapons without even a single peep from Starfleet Security, that implies that there is a Right to Bear Arms clause in Federation law. Further, it is also heavily implied in the Novels, from which STO draws many of it’s sources from, and the Federation is modelled off a lot of democratic countries from IRL, including but not limited to; The United States, Canada, Britain, and Germany. There would be no doubt some limits on firearms, but there is a clear implication that a Right to Bear Arms clause exists, even if not outright stated.)
(Again, I don't think you understand. Being allowed to own firearms DOES NOT MEAN there is a right to own them. You do not have a right to own a TV, or a car or a video game console. But you're legally allowed to own them because they're legal. Something can be legal without you having a right to own it. And I think most likely that's the case with the federation. They would not take some amendment from America and have it be law, considering the federation, is not america)
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Nick: why not use a grill from the holodeck?
*******
Donovan: thanks...
(I mean... I think everyone else disagrees and we have no other proof, so majority it seems)
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
(Look at it this way since you 3 seem to not understand what I'm saying. There are MANY countries that have no right to bear arms, but you can legally own a firearm within them, though usually with some limitations. Like Canadians and people in Japan can own hunting rifles and handguns, but neither country has a Right to bear arms)
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Kayla: *heads out*
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Nick: fair enough. lets go. *Leads Ezri, Zach, Gaia, and Valendria to the holodeck*
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Other Universe Nick: *follows kayla* need help looking for them?
and by the way, thanks for airing private correspondence in public, jackass - for anyone confused, he just went and whined about all this in a public STO channel)
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"