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New episodes *this is getting interesting* "spoiler in this thread beware"
jim625
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how many of you have played the new story episodes just played part 2 and it's really getting interesting. Wonder how things are gonna turn out after this ^^
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This also certainly was a massive step up from the jt'ula story so far, in fact i kind of owe cryptic a apology as untill now i have hated the story and wanted it to end but this, this was brilliant.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
*SPOILERS!*
J'mpok just suddenly becomes an inept/corrupt leader because some Discovery newbie says he is? And we - regardless of what faction we are - just go along with it, umm, because? It's very poor writing. Reminds me of the old episode 'Divide et Impera' where our characters are forced into committing warcrimes despite ourselves. And that episode was removed from the game because it was so bad.
Give us reasons why we would suddenly have an immense change of heart here - there were no solid oneds given in the episode (The whole Ju'la was Aakar's unknowing pawn is garbage. She has been total evil up to this point. UGH). And don't say wait for the next episode to explain it - because WE CHANGE SIDES IN THIS EPISODE.
I know Cryptic has a contract to try and promote Discovery material, but this? SHEESH.
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I read about this in another thread, and I was a bit disappointed that we didn't have the choices of who to follow... It seemed more of a "lesser of two evils" rather than J'Ula's comment to me about "Enemy of my enemy"... I'm a bit concerned about where this is headed, and hope we don't have to wait too long to get the next mission...
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Actually, him being corrupt was shown when he let Martok's dead body get carried away for experiments instead of allowing him to go to Sto-Vo-Kor. We find that out when we rescue Martok. Dude's been good at hiding his tracks and utilizing any situation for his political gain (like with the mycliel weapon).
Considering he let the body of Martok be taken away (you find this out when you go get Martok), then it stands to reason that the House of Torg was actually acting on his instructions when they went after the House of Martok and Lady Sirella. Sadly, the Klingon Hero got in the way of that and J'mpok had no choice but to banish the House of Torg and Torg to remove any finger pointing towards himself. J'mpok probably got a little satisfaction though by Torg killing Alexander.
Oh and J'mpok said that the Undine were infiltrating Starfleet, but by not actually providing proof other than "hey, it is happening", he got to go to war with the Federation. Which was one of the things he wanted badly.
When the Fel'khri came out guns blazing, J'mpok managed to work it out so that because Martok is the General of the entire Klingon army, he didn't need to get himself off his throne. Which is so not Klingon and why many started calling for his head.
And I'm only pointing out a few instances. Dude isn't inept (that would be Kagran), as he makes sure you don't know he's causing it. If you connect the dots though, J'mpok is seriously corrupt.
This episode allows him to get the three thorns in his side banished: The Federation and Romulan and Dominion Heroes, The Klingon Hero and Martok. Dude wasn't going to waste that chance. Getting rid of the heroes puts huge holes in the psyche of his enemies. Getting rid of his greatest adversary in Martok means there isn't anyone who can challenge him for his role as Chancellor. The cherry on this corrupt Sunday is managing to get the Klingon Hero gone who's probably as famous as Kahless at this point.
J'mpok's the backstabbing dastard for a long while. It just wasn't out in the open like it is in this episode.
Well this latest episode did a terrible job at conveying the above.
Again, they need to GIVE us reasons (like those above). PROVE to us that we really need to back J'ula despite all she has done.
As the person above you said, they should have given us choices - made this episode the tipping point - will you back J'ula? Or J'mpok'? Then put us on one side or the other in the next episode after showing concrete reasons why. This episode simply said 'Choo Choo! You are railroaded into siding with J'ula simply because we say you are going to - it's Divide et Impera all over again. No reasons, no choice.
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J'mpok has also been on the questionable side of Klingon 'honour' on since day 1, the KDF was at war with the Feds at the very start of the game. So, this is nothing new. That he was plotting something all this time is now more obvious given his lack of support during the Hurq attacks. It's now even more obvious that he cares only for his 'name', and this is known even without the changes to the KDF tutorial.
Not quite on the same level. It becomes apparent when the J'mpok troops start shooting at everyone and everything. That he does such an blatant obvious move is weird. He always was a bit fishy. It fell a bit out of sight with the big galactic threats and I even assumed it over and hes not trusty good chancellor but apparently not.
I really like to see the reasoning on J'Ulas change of heart. Nothing is impossible for a creative mind; so I'm ready to give them the benefit of doubt. But something simply has to come there; especially if she really becomes the next chancellor.
See, I didn't see it as "it becomes apparent" when suddenly we were getting shot at by our side. I saw it as a total out-of-right-field, wut? situation. I was wondering if I'd missed some background talking while I was in combat, because it made no sense whatsoever. Bad writer trying to be cool by adding a Surprise Twist!™ that didn't actually have any forshadowing.
tl;dr - I was just left totally confused by nonsense.
edit: it was kind of amusing listening to Martok badmouth Kagran's "fancy new Alliance ship"... while I was sitting there in my fancy new Alliance ship.
I agree about the confusion. I mean with apparent that it became "those that shoot diplomats = evil" apparent. The reasons for that blatant open attack was not apparent at all and very confusing IMO.
And Martok is just jealous. A good crowing joke could be him being awarded one at the end of the story arc :P
Personally I hope they add the option to get it again accountwide (and without Mudd!) since I missed that event
^ THIS
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Almost. I managed to catch them when they started to begin getting pathfinding problems in the corridors below. Thankfully we got the rearrange button for that
Umm, rearrange button? (deer-in-headlights look)
Yes, there's a button on the bottom of your Bridge Officers' UI when you're planetside, it allows you to (out of combat) beam your officers to you if they get separated or stuck. It comes in handy sometimes. It beams them to you if they are alive or unconscious.
tl;dr cba pew pew pew boom boom! NEXT!
I've always known that he was a dishonorable coward, "killing" the Chancellor and lying about it, but I guess this story proves what a treacherous toh-pah he really is. I'm curious to see where it goes from here.
I'm, lowkey, disappointed that I'm not being hunted right now in-game after having completed that mission.
Just another reason they should have made this last episode a 'tipping point' where we are unsure what side to take. Then moved on to being an enemy of the Empire with the next episode.
It doesn't make sense I can freely walk around Qo'nos doing what ever I like and using Empire resources/facilities until the next episode comes out.
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Agreed. I wish there was some kind of playful/fun repercussion that we, as a player, would have to live with in game until the next part comes out. Like Qo'noS is off limits, Klingon Patrols would chase you down in sector space like they used to when the game first came out.
I dunno ... I still like the mission and eagerly await the outcome.
At first I was hesitant to fire at the Klingons and Kagran but once they fired on the Enterprise, all bets were off. No one shoots the Federation Flagship and gets away with it!
But now he has a chance - he can get Gowron's forefather to his side, a master spy, and possibly kill J'ula and if he fails to kill her, he still gets her superweapon and can use it pretending that she attacked Kithomer, getting the entire Alliance to side with him- just in case anyone thought this was an internal Klingon matter, he can now point to how J'ula is willing to attack the other Alliance member and it's not just a Civil War.
He just needs to make sure that no one is alive that can prove what really happened.
Good is a massive strech imo, she hated the alliance and i still got the feeling she doesnt like it or would wish to start holding hands with the federation or romulans.
BUT she needs us right now as she is outnumberd and knows it, she knows the chancellor is evil and has to prove it and when gowron's ancestor turns on her (which makes 100% sense i mean Gowron was a schemer) she has no choice.
Neededing us and liking us are tow very different things.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
1)Why the heck...
2)How the heck...
3)Who the heck...
4)When the heck...
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J'Ula is still not to be trusted, though, probably.
Klingon politics. The Empire is always at war, even if it against itself.
1. IMO, it was because J'Ula's cause was losing. I think he was loyal to her cause until not that long ago when we really were stomping on her forces badly. Aakar saw how things were going and probably made a secret deal with J'mpok to hand over the weapon while probably securing himself a place in the winning side.
2. You have to look at it from the Alliance force members' perspective. The Klingon Empire had been working as part of the Alliance for a while and this isn't the first time the Alliance has helped a member state with problems in their own backyard. In addition, do recall J'Ula's attack at the Starfleet Starbase recently with the virus and everything, and previous battles by the Alliance against her. Kagran, Shon gave you a chance to stand down. Koren was the only one to say "F That" because of the long history with the player character.
For Q4...can we add Kagran to that...decaffeination list? He deserves to get Grethored.