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Do you want a Race Change Token 46 votes
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That depends on how you look at it.
Vorta are not ordinary foot soldiers, mass wave shock troops, or whatever, but every single ship and base shown in the series were commanded by Vorta, NOT Jem'Hadar. So while they do not schlep around a rifle and pack with the low level grunts they definitely are combatants.
On top of that, the showrunners and Jeffrey Combs all said Vorta were the James Bonds of the Dominion, they spy, troubleshoot in unconventional ways, or directly command the frontline troops in the field. The whole "meek helpless little old me" stuff was all part of the disinformation Weyoun was feeding the Federation.
The ironic part is that of all of the factions and races, the canon Vorta most closely resemble the player-character and npc minions structure of the game, the only "real" person on their ship, yet they are not a race available in the game (or at least not in the Dominion character generator).
And even though the starter scenario itself was written specifically for Jem'Hadar most of it could be reused for Vorta and other combative species from the Dominion territory by adding a cutscene at the beginning telling the player characters that in order to command forces in the field they have to learn how those forces operate, so they are sending the PC on a typical J'H training mission to familiarize them with it.
Well to be honest, Admirals aren't away team officers/frontline soldiers but we do stuff like that every day in STO, so if Admirals can run around on Borg cubes and hostile aliens worlds I see no reason why a Vorta couldn't do the same.
Because of how the episodes are structured, especially in recognizing Faction/Race/Career Track (maybe sex) your character is hard-coded/baked and cannot be changed without ripping out the original code that the game runs on. This is not going to be achieved by just a flick of a switch.
Never saw it on the wiki either. Should be listed in the upcoming content with updates about why its not possible or if it becomes possible at some point. I have two Jem'Hadar and I think I might want to re-purpose one at some point. It would be better in such cases if I could just change that one to Vorta or other when they become available, than start over(well unless they change the starting story etc. to go with it, which sounds unlikely considering the resources it would require, but at the same time, I don't want to say it's not happening, cause who knows with these things). Though, to be fair, they do often provide a free slot usually when they add something new like that.
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
While I voted yes, I wasn't thinking about a fully race interchangeable functionality, more about something among these lines:
The basic idea would be to add a token that allows to change from 'Alien' (only) to newly created species. In these cases, the programming would only need to care with a very limited option range, mostly with locking options from a table that has nearly all options unlocked. Basically something that can be covered while creating the new species for the game - and offer a second path of refinancing the effort. The most recent example would ATM just allow to go from 'Alien' to Cardassian for all the folks who did Cardassian looking toons with the Alien options before Cardassians became available. Pretty sure we could have gotten Cardassians for the standard additional species pricing if done this way.
As for people saying 'But Jem'Hadar were also possible to do with the Alien options!' - right, but to make this work your toon would also need a faction change token. It could be allowed to go from Jem'Hadar to Jem'Hadar Vanguard, though.
In the case of the Dominion it would not be people wanting to "legitimize" fake Jem'Hadar (before ViL the horneytoads were practically nonexistent in social areas, and seeing a Vorta was much, much more likely), it would overwhelmingly be the people who have made Vorta via other factions' "alien" who would want them to be Dominion instead. And that would not be a race change, it would be a faction change on top of the devs bringing out "alien" as a race choice for the Dominion, which is a totally different thing from what you are talking about.
It would be a lot easier for the devs to switch any Cardassian ships or costume pieces or whatever into account unlocks instead of character unlocks (they have already shown that is possible) and have the player create a new Cardassian character to use them than to try to make race change tokens. If you go back and research stuff in the forums and other places like livestreams and whatnot on the subject of factions and races tied to those factions (I did over the Vorta question) it becomes clear that they are implemented in a very kludgy way that no one likes to mess with too much.
In fact, I suspect that in the case of the Vorta and aliens for the Dominion they might have to create a separate faction with the same unlocks and only pretend they are the same because of the kludges to make the gee-wiz endgame-only fad thing happen for the Jem'Hadar. In fact, that may be the real source of the Vorta problem instead of it really being a case of taking Weyoun's disinformation about Vorta being meek and helpless (as a way of putting the Federation off guard) at face value despite all the onscreen evidence to the contrary.
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
> im wondering if this is more focused on wanting to use a ship the OP likes and transferring it to a toon the OP likes, thus providing the "swap" but acting under the guise of race changing and in effect garnering the end result of mix and match until you find the perfect fit...for the OP..
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That would be the only reason I would want to switch. I wasn’t much interested in Galor when I was playing a Klingon. But am way more interested in one now that I have a Cardi (sorry for the “racial” slur (or is it a “special slur”)).
Wish I got the Breen suit before they shoved it in the Lobi store too... I never have flown those Breen ships I unlocked.
I have one exactly like that, but as far as I know of there still is no TOS Klingon option besides going the 'alien' route. Even if there was, there is little point to a race change coupon since it would not actually change anything significant.