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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
    Punk is anti-authority, it's why I listen to it.
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      -Lord Commander Solar Macharius
    • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,321 Arc User
      My last work day will be next Friday. Then I'm furloughed until this thing is done. My state is closing DMVs so my job halts. Fortunately for me, my company has decided to continue paying me during the hiatus. Which means unlike some, I'll not have money issues. I am of two minds about this furlough stuff. Part of me is looking forward to the time off. Part of me wonders what I'll do with all the free time after I get done with all the projects I've put off over the years.

      Hilariously amused by the, "Rebel Without A Clue" stuff here lately. Sad to see, actually. I've always thought Star Trek fans were a little bit smarter than ordinary people. Disappointing to be proven wrong.
      Nope. It ain't Discovery. Ain't Picard, either. It's you.
    • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
      edited April 2020
      I've always been anti-authority, just the way I am.
      I do not conform, so during this crisis, I've been playing as much subversive music as possible.
      My coping mechanism.
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      • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 9,288 Arc User
        What amuses me is that punk's attitude is anti-authoritarian - but there's a right way and a wrong way to be "punk". The only fandom that approaches SW in dismissiveness of that considered "not the real thing" is punk fandom.

        Honestly, the album I've listened to that rejected authority the hardest was Rush's third/fourth album (third with Neil Peart and his distinctive lyrics), 2112. Not so much the content, as the fact that it was the album the studio execs actually ordered them not to make; the studio wanted an album full of light songs with good hooks, and by preference no more than 3-4 minutes long, to maximize radio play. So, according to their memoirs, the band got together, thought about the fact that if this all fell through they all had jobs they could return to (the year before Fly By Night hit it big, Neil had made Salesman of the Year at his father's auto-parts dealership!), and decided TRIBBLE it - they were going to record the album they wanted, and if it failed, at least they'd fail on their own terms.

        So instead of the light, poppy album they were told to make, they released a full-side, twenty-minute sci-fi epic about an oppressive dystopia and one man trying to resist it. And then side 2 featured songs that were still longer than the studio wanted, about things like taking a trip around the world to sample the best pot ("A Passage To Bankok") and classic TV sci-fi ("The Twilight Zone"). And, while it only really got airplay on those late-night/early-morning FM radio shows where they'd play an entire album side while the DJ hit the head and/or got high, it was their best-selling album ever (even now, over 40 years and 13 albums later, it's #2 in sales, behind Moving Pictures, having sold over three million copies).

        These numbers gave Rush the power to tell the studio where to stuff it, and to record whatever the hell they felt like for the next, well, forever. A four-and-a-half-minute-long instrumental based on the radio beacon pattern for Toronto International Airport? Sure! A thirty-five minute epic, starting with the last song on one album and continuing across Side 1 of the next? Go for it! An entire album telling the tale of a young man learning the sad truth underlying his world of steampunk religion? Yeah, sounds great, whatever! Nobody but maybe their producer could tell them "no" ever again, because they could prove they knew what their audience wanted to hear. Now that's anti-authority.
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      • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
        I'm just hoping the lockdown is not extended after the 14th April.
        I'm missing normality and being able to go out when I want and where I want, yeah I'm angry and frustrated which is understandable.

        So I'm using subversion as a protest tool and way of dealing with the current crisis, it does not help when draconian measures are being used.
        Look at how South Korea has contained the virus without draconian measures, they have drive through and walk through testing centres, the rest of the world would be wise to use those methods because they seem to be working in South Korea.

        We can use the South Koreans as an example of how to contain the pandemic because their death count to the virus is very low (177).

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        • mneme0mneme0 Member Posts: 469 Arc User
          We can use the South Koreans as an example of how to contain the pandemic because their death count to the virus is very low (177).

          Saying we can copy their strategies would require we had their political, social, and medical systems before this all started, otherwise it's like trying to build a fire department while your kitchen is burning down.
        • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
          edited April 2020
          We should have used the South Korean model as soon as it was detected in China but our leaders dithered and now we're in this mess.

          Why is that Asian countries like Japan and South Korea are far more ahead of the curve than the west?
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          • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 3,070 Arc User
            I'm just hoping the lockdown is not extended after the 14th April.
            I'm missing normality and being able to go out when I want and where I want, yeah I'm angry and frustrated which is understandable.

            So I'm using subversion as a protest tool and way of dealing with the current crisis, it does not help when draconian measures are being used.
            Look at how South Korea has contained the virus without draconian measures, they have drive through and walk through testing centres, the rest of the world would be wise to use those methods because they seem to be working in South Korea.

            We can use the South Koreans as an example of how to contain the pandemic because their death count to the virus is very low (177).

            Having people quarantined is not draconian, it has been used since ancient times and is effective as long as people obey it. Also, I am not against authority, I want to respect and honor the authorities. That does not mean I always agree with them though. You scare me!
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          • mneme0mneme0 Member Posts: 469 Arc User
            Why is that Asian countries like Japan and South Korea are far more ahead of the curve than the west?

            Respect for science, less selfish populace, cultural tendencies toward obedience, a better medical system, and less-corrupt politicians. Just for a start.
          • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
            sthe91 wrote: »
            I'm just hoping the lockdown is not extended after the 14th April.
            I'm missing normality and being able to go out when I want and where I want, yeah I'm angry and frustrated which is understandable.

            So I'm using subversion as a protest tool and way of dealing with the current crisis, it does not help when draconian measures are being used.
            Look at how South Korea has contained the virus without draconian measures, they have drive through and walk through testing centres, the rest of the world would be wise to use those methods because they seem to be working in South Korea.

            We can use the South Koreans as an example of how to contain the pandemic because their death count to the virus is very low (177).

            Having people quarantined is not draconian, it has been used since ancient times and is effective as long as people obey it. Also, I am not against authority, I want to respect and honor the authorities. That does not mean I always agree with them though. You scare me!

            I take precautions and have some common sense, 10 more days and lockdown over (hopefully)
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              -Lord Commander Solar Macharius
            • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,321 Arc User
              Why does someone who who claims to be anti authority need a 'coping mechanism'?

              News flash, none of the rest of us are enjoying having our movements and lifestyle choices restricted.

              Listening to music isn't anti authority either. Most of the punk music "artists" I know of are pretentious TRIBBLES who use marketing and sales techniques and the current mainstream establishment to make money. Sounds recklessly rebellious anti authority to me. Riiiiight.

              My movement and public choices are restricted and reduced so: 1) I reduce the chance of spreading the disease if I have it.
              2) Other people are less exposed. 3) Those who need to help the truly sick and needy aren't wasting resources on me because I lack self discipline.

              These restrictions are about doing things for the good of other people. Which is a recurring theme all through Star Trek. "Needs of the many," and all that. I have been through quite a few hurricanes in my life because of where I live. This is the same thing except I have utilities and food and clean water. So we are waay ahead on the recovery thing IMV.

              If I deliberately choose to ignore the needs of others during this time, I help the whole thing last longer and make the results worse in the end. I don't like the restrictions at all. They are bothersome.

              I'd dislike much more knowing my actions and decisions helped contribute to the illness and death of others. I killed enough people during the 1st Gulf War. Don't need to add to that list.
              Nope. It ain't Discovery. Ain't Picard, either. It's you.
            • snowwolf#0563 snowwolf Member Posts: 1,014 Arc User
              I killed enough people during the 1st Gulf War. Don't need to add to that list.

              Why do people like you always talk about having killed people in a war? Why? Why are you guys doing this? Are you bragging about it? Seriously, what's your problem? We don't need to hear it.

            • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
              edited April 2020
              I rarely go out anyway, the only time I do is maybe 3 evenings a week and to get supplies.
              Those break the monotony, I avoid crowds since I'm not a people person but I do observe the social distancing and keep my mouth and nose covered.

              I've never liked my routine being disrupted, that's the way I am.
              I listen to the old school 70s and 80s punk (the new stuff is just meh)


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                -Lord Commander Solar Macharius
              • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,321 Arc User
                I speak about this for the same reason people talk about "draconian measures" and "anti authority". Because I can. Just like you type a load of things which we don't really need to hear, either.

                And if this is the only thing you took away from my post, then maybe the virus needs to win.
                Nope. It ain't Discovery. Ain't Picard, either. It's you.
              • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
                The cases are dropping in the UK thankfully, we may have hit the peak and with the case numbers dropping, lockdown may be over soon (hopefully).
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                  -Lord Commander Solar Macharius
                • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,473 Arc User
                  We should have used the South Korean model as soon as it was detected in China but our leaders dithered ad now we're in this mess.

                  Why is that Asian countries like Japan and South Korea are far more ahead of the curve than the west?

                  Maybe our leaders could have acted sooner if China didn't try to cover up how bad the Coronavirus actually was. It is amazing how many of these pandemics come from China going all the way back to the Black Plague.
                • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
                  And the WHO cover up while they were praising China.
                  After this, there needs to be a serious reappraisal of the west's relationship with the People's Republic of China, we cannot forgive them for this.

                  The doctors who went public have disappeared literally, either already dead or in a "re-education" camp.
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                  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,473 Arc User
                    edited April 2020
                    It is a sad day when I trust North Korea more than I trust China. If North Korea stated that they have zero infected, then I would believe them since there are very few people that want to visit North Korea under its current administration.
                  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
                    That's saying something.
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                    • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 5,836 Arc User
                      So because I didn't jump on the food hoarding train when this all started I now can't find things like meat or sauce at any of my local grocery stores 😡😡😡😡 it's been several weeks now, how are they still sold out of everything??
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                    • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
                      Don't forget the Battle of the Toilet Paper, yeah things have got nuts.
                      I'm getting sick of seeing the same four sodding walls.
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                      • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 14,377 Arc User
                        Don't forget the Battle of the Toilet Paper, yeah things have got nuts.
                        I'm getting sick of seeing the same four sodding walls.

                        I never understood the toilet roll hoarding thing where this is concerned.
                        The cases are dropping in the UK thankfully, we may have hit the peak and with the case numbers dropping, lockdown may be over soon (hopefully).
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                        ^ Important to remember this, considering the media seem intent on only reporting on the deaths.


                      • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 5,836 Arc User
                        If anyone else has been having trouble grocery shopping, try going early in the morning. As I said earlier I've been having trouble finding basic things like meat and sauce, normally I pick a few things up on my way home from work around 7PM or so but since this situation started they haven't had anything when I show up that late. Today however I went to the store at 9AM and they had everything I needed: ground beef, chicken, tomato sauce, alfredo sauce, etc. They were still out of TRIBBLE paper, but I still have enough for at least another week or two before I start getting desperate for that.
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                      • otisnobleotisnoble Member Posts: 1,271 Arc User
                        starkaos wrote: »
                        It is a sad day when I trust North Korea more than I trust China. If North Korea stated that they have zero infected, then I would believe them since there are very few people that want to visit North Korea under its current administration.

                        i don't believe them also because there is no way to verify what they are saying is true
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                      • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,473 Arc User
                        reyan01 wrote: »
                        The cases are dropping in the UK thankfully, we may have hit the peak and with the case numbers dropping, lockdown may be over soon (hopefully).
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                        ^ Important to remember this, considering the media seem intent on only reporting on the deaths.

                        It will be interesting to see if people that have recovered from the virus are now immune to it. If that is the case, then they should not be restricted like everyone else is or at least should be. Maybe give every person immune to the virus a unique card to show people that they are now immune. It would certainly open up job opportunities to them as long as they follow proper hygiene practices since even though they are immune, it doesn't mean that they can't infect someone else by touching an infected surface.
                      • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,808 Arc User
                        reyan01 wrote: »
                        Don't forget the Battle of the Toilet Paper, yeah things have got nuts.
                        I'm getting sick of seeing the same four sodding walls.

                        I never understood the toilet roll hoarding thing where this is concerned.
                        The cases are dropping in the UK thankfully, we may have hit the peak and with the case numbers dropping, lockdown may be over soon (hopefully).
                        qWpTLF0.jpg
                        ^ Important to remember this, considering the media seem intent on only reporting on the deaths.

                        I can't understand the bog roll hoarding, it's not that type of infection.
                        People went nuts, hopefully sanity will be restored.
                        I found an interesting article on the BBC about one of the negative consequences of the lockdown, I could see this coming from a mile off.
                        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52157620
                        This is bad.
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                          -Lord Commander Solar Macharius
                        • jamieblanchardjamieblanchard Member Posts: 536 Arc User
                          reyan01 wrote: »
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                          ^ Important to remember this, considering the media seem intent on only reporting on the deaths.

                          I agree. Gotta keep an eye on that sort of thing. And may that number continue to soar as time goes on. Let's try to keep sane and safe out there people.

                          Ah, according to wiki, that number is now at 284k. Keep going!

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                        • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 5,836 Arc User
                          Media probably focuses on the death number because it is more likely to get people to treat this seriously. If they focused on the recovery number then more people (especially young people) might be encouraged to dismiss the situation as not a big deal and ignore stay at home orders, which could increase the spread and lead to more deaths.
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                        • snowwolf#0563 snowwolf Member Posts: 1,014 Arc User
                          Media probably focuses on the death number because it is more likely to get people to treat this seriously. If they focused on the recovery number then more people (especially young people) might be encouraged to dismiss the situation as not a big deal and ignore stay at home orders, which could increase the spread and lead to more deaths.

                          Media is only focused on what headline generates the most clicks, more clicks usually means more ad revenue.
                        • otisnobleotisnoble Member Posts: 1,271 Arc User
                          I want make this clear, I am not trying to foist my religious beliefs on any of you, some of you I have known for a long time and call friends, the rest I still count as friends so I have added you all to my prayer list that you get through this and that we will be able to spend more times together here.
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