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The removel of an well known NPC from K7 Discussion. (Warning possible Picard Spoilers)
treknadi
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So they removed Icheb from the game and replaced him with some random alien, I know why and it still makes me sad.
Do you guys think we will see Icheb ever again maybe in a time travel mission? I would like to have something where I could see him before his unnecessary grusome fate in the Picard series.
How do you all think about it?
(spoiler in title redacted) - darkbladejk
Do you guys think we will see Icheb ever again maybe in a time travel mission? I would like to have something where I could see him before his unnecessary grusome fate in the Picard series.
How do you all think about it?
(spoiler in title redacted) - darkbladejk
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So what I think will happen here is some stuff will be made to match up while other stuff might be made an alternate reality. So its possible they could do both here. I think they want to wait till they know a better extent to what Picard is doing before they do any major stories from Picard. Hence we might see more with Discovery or the Borg Storyline they want to tell this year then stuff from Picard maybe next year have a Picard Focus. Which means a heavily Romulan Focused storyline.
One thing about Picard content is we will likely see more Romulan content then Starfleet/Federation content with it. Starfleet has little role in the overall storyline. Picard has introduced new romulan ship designs but little to no new Starfleet designs. In fact I don't think there was a new federation ship shown other then the one type of ship that looks like one of the Sto Cardassian tier 6 ships. So that should be interesting to see what Cryptic does with this. Discovery allows them to do more with Starfleet focused Content. Picard does not as the main focus is the Romulans and other spoilers I won't go into here. But it should be considered to be a Romulan Show because that is one of the main focuses of this shows overall storyline.
No, I think we'll never see the poor kid again. My take on it is, he has taken on the dubious role of 'Newt' (the sweet little girl in Aliens), who then turns out to be brutally slaughtered in Alien 3. C'est la vie! Done for shock effect, and to elicit a faux sense of realism.
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
There was a reason why the little girl was killed off in aliens 3 don't even have to look it up to know the reason as we all have experienced it. Because of the growing up factor they would have had to replace the child actor. I think they didn't want to do this. So they would have to recast her and given the way they ended aliens two where Ripley was in the cryosleep bed with the child similar to the ending of the first alien movie with Ripley and the cat. Cats are easier to work with. Human Children not so much because they will and do age and grow up. Hence they had to find a way to explain why that child is not there and since the child was with Ripley in the Cryosleep tube they likely decided to just kill the child off as the best way to continue the story instead of having to explain why the child looks like a 15/16 year old or looks nothing like the child in Aliens.
So to explain this better I looked up the relevant information.
Aliens was released in July 14, 1986 Aliens 3 was not released till May 22, 1992. Given the actress was born in 1976. She would have been nine or ten years old. Given the time gap is 5 or 6 years after aliens the actress for Newt during the development for Aliens 3 would be at least 14/15 or 16 years old. Given the growth period in humans they didn't have the means to realistically have her come back for that role. If they made the aliens 3 movie immediately after Aliens. They could have kept her alive as she would still look very much like a child that it could be explained away. However they waited Five or Six years to do another Aliens movie. So that was possibly the core issue with adding in Newt for the movie.
I doubt they did what they did to Icheb for the same reasons they killed off Newt in Aliens 3. Aliens 3 had a literal real life time gap problem that made using Newt again with the same child actress extremely difficult to do. This day and age they can make actors appear much younger or as they did in their youth so not so much of an issue when it comes to teens/adults. It still might still harder to do when having child actors as I don't know if they can alter voices to appear more child like. So I think most shows or movies would have another child actor take up the role in later installments of their respective show or movies or Series of movies because of the reasons listed. Like the Resident Evil movies with the Red Queen. Who had various child actors likely for the same reason.
Aliens 3 Newt dieing and Icheb are not any way related not even close. I can see the reasons why they did it for Aliens. For Picard I think it was meant to motivate the type of Seven of Nine they wanted to portray without having to kill off a major character from Voyager to do so. So they went with someone that would be really close to Seven an xborg like her. That meant Icheb got sacrificed for the Seven of Nine I will have my revenge plot. Like they did with Kirk's Son in the Search for Spock. I think it was more inspired from Star Trek 3 then Aliens.
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I hope that ships and characters like Seven of Nine in her new outfit for some missions will be the only picard content we get, the content of the Picard show is way to dark and depressing for my taste to be honest.
There circulate a lot of rumors right now about why the killed of Icheb in the show, some believe it was just a unnecessary shock moment to make the show dark and gritty, what speaks for that is that Sevens revenge plot was solved extremly quick from a audience perspective, the other main rumor I have seen a lot is that it was done for political/personal reasons and that Alex Kurtzman wanted to "Punish" Manu Intiraymi by killing the character he once played in an ultra voilent way, because of the twitter thing with Anthony Rapp that happend 2017 or one of the other comments he made on twitter.
Sooooo to come back to the topic... this game has a lot of time travel and Quanten Universe plotlines so that could a possibility to bring him back at least in some way at some point even if it will happen realy late.
STP seems willing to kill off characters at the drop of a hat so I don't particularly think STO should be taking much from it because of that. It is too likely to mess up the story.
aut vincere aut mori pro imperio
either to conquer or to die for the Empire
I heard that rumor too (and having read the tweet in question, that was rather sickening what he said, too... it's like telling an abuse victim even 25 years out to just "get over it")... I don't know if that had any real bearing on the decision, but who knows.
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Or simply not use Newt in Alien 3 at all, making your point kinda moot.
I also do, indeed, believe, icheb was there in Picard to lend a reason for Seven's need or revenge.
Yes on K7 you could get some Daily PVP Quests from him.
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Icheb
He has been replaced with some random Alien called "Vintrax."
Something similar already happend to a different character that appeared in Picard.
To be fair to Hugh... in STO he appeared in his still fully assimilated TNG appearance originally. And his patrol wasn't a main story mission.
If we get a new mission with Hugh, it will most likely use his Picard appearance.
You're assuming STO is in the same timeline / universe as STP, which I find HIGHLY unlikely. It's only a matter of time until the show does something that conflicts with STO so much that there's simply no way for the devs to reconcile the two, at which point we will finally get an official acknowledgment that STO is an alternate universe. Once that happens they can do whatever they want again, including bring back Icheb or Hugh without the use of time travel.
Yea... well... not my choice to be behind. The friend who's been organizing watch parties got slammed by RL something fierce.
It conflicted with STO in the very first episode. The first episode said that the memory transfer from Data to B-4 before his death in Nemesis failed. In STO's timeline (and the "Countdown" comics that tie into the first JJ-verse movie), not only did it actually take hold, but Data became captain of the Enterprise-E. Picard was also never promoted to the Admiralty in the STO timeline; he had actually retired to become ambassador to Vulcan. Androids were not banned, they were not mass produced as cheap slave labor (that bit ticks me off because it completely invalidated the whole premise of the TNG episode "The Measure of a Man", in which the rights of Data - and presumably other androids - were established to avoid this), and they certainly did not destroy Utopia Planitia and light a fire on Mars that still burned 15 years later, otherwise how could we have built the Enterprise-F there in STO?
And let's not get started on the fanatical Vulcan-Romulan anti-android cult.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Yes, I know and I 100% agree with you, however the devs keep trying to adapt to it anyway as evidenced by the removal of Icheb, that's why the portion you cut out from my quote went on to say "so much that there's simply no way for the devs to reconcile the two" because until a major conflict occurs that simply can't be ignored or changed the devs are going to keep pretending that STO is part of the STP / Prime universe which is a huge mistake imo.
Yes, but their deaths were heroic and meaningful.
I found the Icheb character in STO once years ago. Interacted with him once and then promptly forgot he was in STO.