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lordgyor
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/cosmicbook.news/star-trek-disaster-cbs-all-access-leaks?amp
I find the idea that they might bring in Ira or Ron in to run things is interesting, but honestly I've been hearing from this crowd doom and gloom on Discovery and Picard for so long I can't take it seriously, but if they do replace Kurtzmen, I think Berman is the better choice of course.
If Section 31 one happens it will destroy the last shred of crediblity on Star Trek this crowd has left.
I find the idea that they might bring in Ira or Ron in to run things is interesting, but honestly I've been hearing from this crowd doom and gloom on Discovery and Picard for so long I can't take it seriously, but if they do replace Kurtzmen, I think Berman is the better choice of course.
If Section 31 one happens it will destroy the last shred of crediblity on Star Trek this crowd has left.
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If a show gets cancelled, then we will actually have something to talk about. That said, I bet even if they did decide to cancel a show they wouldn't admit it was actually being cancelled and would just say something like "we told the story we wanted to tell and always planned to stop when that story was finished".
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Yea... so doomed they already got picked up for a second season...
Frankly... I wouldn't bother with rumors. Most of the time these days its going to be clickbait ranting about this or that and DOOOOOOOOM... because reasons.
"For the first season, the review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes reported an 83% approval rating with an average rating of 7.07/10 based on 71 reviews. The website's critical consensus reads, "Although it takes an episode to achieve liftoff, Star Trek: Discovery delivers a solid franchise installment for the next generation—boldly led by the charismatic Sonequa Martin-Green." The season's average episode rating is 87%.[145] Metacritic, which uses a weighted average, assigned a score of 72 out of 100 based on reviews from 20 critics, indicating "generally favorable reviews".[146]
Rotten Tomatoes reported an 83% approval rating for the second season, with an average rating of 7.32/10 based on 29 reviews. The website's critical consensus reads, "The second season of Discovery successfully—if stubbornly—cleans up the problematic storylines of Trek past while still effectively dramatizing new takes on the lore." The average episode rating for the season is 84%.[147] Metacritic assigned it a score of 72 out of 100 based on reviews from 10 critics, again indicating "generally favorable reviews".[148] " from wikipedia.
Rumors are 1 of the stupid thing invented by humans.
I certainly do. He saved disco for me. I guess the only reason they wouldn't do it is if they hate money
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Has CBS released any viewer numbers?
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In the words of Lone Starr:
"We're not just doing this for money. We're doing it for a TRIBBLE load of money!"
If they aren't making what they expected to then changes will be made, even if it is profitable already.
I have really enjoyed seeing Picard and find the setting, characters and storyline interesting enough to stick with it and see where it is going. I am sorry to hear that more fans aren't willing to do the same and feel betrayed by this effort. Clearly Patrick Stewart wanted to take the character in a new direction and that must not have set well with a great many fans, but I thought that this spin worked much better than anything attempted on Discovery. If Picard manages to at least get its full two season order completed, I will be okay with that. C'est la vie!
However it took Seth MacFarlane of all people to show that faith in the concept of Star Trek would be rewarded by not breaking faith with that audience and we got the topnotch The Orville (which if you haven't watched it, go and give it a view asap). The Orville is better overall than either of the current Trek shows running on the CBS paid streaming service.
Personally, I believe Discovery and Picard are going to be the spark(s) that keep Trek with us for the next decade at least. Not too hot on a Section 31 show either; I'd rather they just run with a Pike show whilst allowing the timeline to adjust; it was stated multiple times in the Discovery S2 final that time isn't fixed, and what was seen in the crystals may not come to pass.
Factor in all the temporal mechanics of Star Trek (as a whole) and you can easily set the Disco-Universe up as it's own thing, or just do a Pike show that all happens before Kirk. They'd surely have a good seven or eight years before Pike's accident, and they can always do two seasons prequel of Discovery, then do the others after.
I for one would love to see more of Pike, Spock and the Enterprise.
I liked season one, but after I heard Alara was leaving the show in season two I canceled my DVR recordings and haven't watched another episode. If I'm not mistaken I think I heard it's only on Hulu now, which I no longer have a subscription to anyway.
Not necessarily.
DSC was shielded from the need to make a profit by the fact that it was the linchpin of CBSAA and they had nothing to take its place. Getting rolled into Viacom streaming makes that linchpin unnecessary since unlike CBS they can make Viacom movies the backbone. And from the informal Netflix numbers from first season, DSC was unusually expensive for a series (which is not surprising since it was done in the action movie format as much as possible).
And it is not the rumors themselves that had such a bad track record, it was the doomsaying theories that were embroidered from those rumors that were so far off the beam. Ignoring that clickbait the rumors were not any less accurate than other entertainment industry leaks.
And DSC always was a scramble (even more so than most other shows). Back in 2014 entertainment industry magazines were commenting on the fact that Moonves was apparently intending to ignore the Star Trek anniversary entirely since CBS could only do a series and they needed to have already started early preparations if they were going to do one by fall of 2016, but had not made a single move in that direction.
The fact is, the CBS statement that Axanar would directly impact a series they were setting in the same time frame was the first anyone heard of a new Trek show. The mad scramble to start it came after that statement as far as any kind actually visible activity went. And on top of the others about the lateness of the start, the rumors that they would have to postpone the premiere and miss the anniversary were certainly correct.
Other rumors, like Fuller leaving the production, that they were changing the Klingon makeup yet again, that they would have JJisms like the picture windows instead of mainscreens, and many others turned out to be correct as well.
What turned out to not be true were like the rumors that it was an uncontrolled dumpster fire. Judging by Moonves quotes of the old "any press is good press" axiom it was almost certainly meant to generate unparalleled levels of strife in the fanbase and wanted as much free coverage as possible to kickstart the until then lackluster CBSAA.
Personally I think that Moonves misjudged the Trek fans and the "trekker" vs. "trekkie" wedge he drove in did more to damage acceptance of the show than any possible advertisement value it could have had, but there is no way to test that theory without numbers CBS simply does not publish.
Getting rid of Kurtzman actually does make sense if Viacom is trying to reconcile DSC with the rest since he is the last of the high-level execs Moonves appointed to the show so that is likely to be true. However hiring Behr and Moore as troubleshooters is a lot less likely to be true. What they really need would be someone like Straczynski who has a proven track record of weaving together highly dissimilar and often partially contradicting storylines (like superhero comic storylines) together to form a reasonably cohesive and highly entertaining whole.
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True, the McFarlane rumor and some of the others obviously are nonsense, but not all of them are from 4chan. And some of the ones from more conventional entertainment industry channels did turn out to be right. A good rule of thumb is that the wilder the rumors are, and the less news vetting they have to go though first, the less likely they are to be true.
Except that in TOS we do see a crippled Pike, and I believe it was stated by that monk that if he takes the crystal, his fate is sealed. No avoiding that future. Also there was a glimpse of the Discovery style Connie in Picard in a hologram before it shifted to an image of the Enterprise-D.
Trying to write off Discovery as an alternate universe when we now have evidence of one ship design in Picard, which is confirmed to be Prime Universe... is bound to cause yet another string of arguments over pretty much nonsense that will devolve into tribal arguments over who's idea of canon is more right. So lets drop that particular thread.
There's also this.
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-renewed-season-4-report-cbs/
Rumors are just that, rumors. They rarely ever prove to be true.... most of the time they're just BS.
Trek has consistently rewrote time through time changing episodes, so the definition of canon can be stretched when it suits. Take a look at JJ Trek; the mere fact that timeline exists should overwrite the existing timeline, and yet it doesn't. Instead, it flows alongside it, where other timeline changes and incursions do actually rewrite a timeline.
I can't remember where I read it now (happy to try and find it) but I read an article where it was stated the reason for S3 being set in the future is because they didn't want to change the timeline, but then you've got to ask the question of why did they even bother with a prequel show if they weren't going to remain a prequel show? They can't have planned S3 this far in advance.
As per Pike's fate being sealed, I choose not to believe that. If we've got someone jumping through time trying to erase a timeline where all sentient life is destroyed, then time, evidently, isn't fixed. Regarding Pike, maybe he's destined to have that accident and end up in a chair, but maybe the date and cause of that accident are flexible, as could/would be Kirk taking over captaincy of the Enterprise.
I'd be happy if the timeline changed to accommodate a Pike show. I know others wouldn't, but we're talking about a fictional show, set in a fictional universe. I'm happy to let the writers have a little fun if it benefits the viewers that aren't too tied down.
Not at all, that is actually fact, not rumor. Practically all the interviews about DSC have stressed that Star Trek shows are the centerpiece of the CBSAA service, and DSC is the foundation of the new Star Trek. The job of a show in that position is bringing in new viewers, whether it makes a profit or not while doing its primary job is almost irrelevant. And DSC was apparently successful at that job so it was a shoe in regardless of profitability.
That is no longer the case though since a Viacom streaming service has plenty of movies to draw on to anchor the service. That does not automatically mean that all new Star Trek will get the axe (like some doomsayers have predicted), it just means that in the case of DSC the metric changes and it has to stand on its profitability instead so scripts and SFX gags will have to be done with more of an eye towards cost. Most viewers probably will not even notice the difference.
The biggest effect will probably be in how they examine new shows before deciding whether to greenlight them, and since so many shows just disappear in the preproduction stages anyway that wont make much of a difference either.
Or every major instance of time travel creates a new timeline. For First Contact, a new timeline was created when the Borg assimilated 21st Century Earth and another timeline was created when the Enterprise stopped the Borg. The Enterprise didn't go back to their original timeline, but a new one. A problem with this idea is that it removes any sense of heroism to the story. The Enterprise is not saving their timeline since their timeline doesn't need to be saved. They are just trapped in a new timeline. Also, Admiral Janeway didn't save some of her crew by getting to Earth sooner.
Personally, I believe the Kelvin Timeline is set in an alternate reality since there is no canonical evidence if Spock and Nero traveled back in time or if they traveled to a parallel universe that looks like the 23rd Century. Star Trek has decided that the way to tell if someone time traveled or from a parallel universe is chronitons and quantum signatures.
There's always a way out.
Except that Pike committed to the course that ends with the radiation accident after DSC got back from the mirror universe.
On the other hand, the whole of DSC could very well be on another timeline with all the massive changes it has in visual, cultural, technological, and other areas so they could set the accident at any time and ignore what happened in TOS (unless the timelines re-merge or something) if that is the case.
Even if they are all on the same timeline there is plenty of time for a series before Kirk takes over the Enterprise. If that is not enough time they could always shift focus to Number One after the deadline and have Pike in flashbacks (a lot of other series work with a dead character like that) or they could play it as a mental link between Pike (on Talos) and Number One in space, with Pike giving her advice and whatnot. There are a lot of things they could do if they really wanted to do a Pike show.
Not that I expect we'd get ten seasons, but I'd be happy enough with five or six, with the final having him promoted to fleet captain, and passing the Enterprise over to Kirk ready for the next five (or three) year mission.