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Request for Feedback: Kemocite

baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,897 Community Moderator
edited November 2019 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
@borticuscryptic is looking for feedback, folks.


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  • darkknightucfdarkknightucf Member Posts: 1,546 Media Corps
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0jlAmLwIV46ZEZSN1pNM0xrRU0

    Here is my repository for STO logs (some more organized than others). It includes from Season 11 onward (maybe earlier), various Tribble tests, and the first KLW damage adjustment (where the scaling with +radDMG was changed to only affect the Mk0 value), as well as where we found out how KLW and FaW + plasma procs were overperforming.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    There is also a reddit discussion thread on the topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/b7576m/hey_kemocite_users_do_you_have_any_beforeafter/

    I believe stickied posts on the forums tend to be easily overlooked by people, because often the only think stickied are old reminders of forum rules and whatever that no one cares about anymore.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    Not true, they make new ones up all the time.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    I have kemocite and frankly I was expecting more out of it. I don't parse but it certainly needs to be amped up to be fully useful like better overall damage boost or something plus longer effect not just one volley from one weapon. Should be a nasty boost that can get you out of a jam.
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    edited April 2019
    I might just be weird.. Piloting Science ships I primarily use it for the Debuff first and the radiation damage with my Torps second.
    ..I would love for the radiation to scale on EPG (Have it be exotic Radiation and not Standard Rad)..but thats just me.

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  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,251 Arc User
    For some reason it wasn’t working at all for me on the 28th of March. Since the 31st of March it has been working 100% correctly with mines and clusters in that it hits correctly.
  • ancientfighterancientfighter Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    @BorticusCryptic
    Hey Kemocite Users! Do you have any Before/After CombatLog parses you can share with me, regarding the recent bug fixes we performed on this? Initial reports definitely confirm that it needs buffing

    Buff? rOlF
    Kemo atm is just a stupid button to press.
    the only solution is rollback as it was before, buff only? ROLF

    None of guys still learn than the power of some abilities varies with who is using it.
    Btw, have too many work to do on pc/bug support or fix the server stability.

  • ancientfighterancientfighter Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    and please, stop test inside map of season 1,
    isa is noob map,
    npcs without shield and negative resistance...
  • alyxvixen#3895 alyxvixen
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    I have one of my Romulans using Kemocite-Laced Weaponary, with the Romulan Hyper-Plasma Torpedo Launcher so it triggers three times (before using spread) whenever I use the torps.
  • calintane753calintane753 Member Posts: 289 Arc User
    Voilà
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    ancientfighter wrote: »
    and please, stop test inside map of season 1,
    isa is noob map,
    npcs without shield and negative resistance...

    For good testing you need as much consistency as possible so running only that map again makes sense since the adversaries should be a known quantity that cryptic can take then into account when looking at the numbers.

    If it's a noob map why not flex your epeen some more and say what a better one would be?

    Numbers without context are less useful so they won't have all the info such as was the kemocite going off inside a grav well'd group or just a loose cluster.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    New one yesterday.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • casualstocasualsto Member Posts: 672 Arc User
    The kemocite doesn't simply justify it's slot after this type of nerf. Its price will plummet and congrats, gentlemen, you just broke a feature. Even if people parsed 850k dps runs before you fix it. Perhaps it's time to reassess before nerfing or modifying numbers to extremes. There is a rule of thumb for nerf and boost which states:
    More than +5-10% boost is a serious boost.
    More than -5-10% nerf is a serious nerf.
    If you go above those numbers in a single iteration, congrats, you've just broke a feature.
  • ichaerus1ichaerus1 Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    postagepaid wrote: »
    ancientfighter wrote: »
    and please, stop test inside map of season 1,
    isa is noob map,
    npcs without shield and negative resistance...

    For good testing you need as much consistency as possible so running only that map again makes sense since the adversaries should be a known quantity that cryptic can take then into account when looking at the numbers.

    If it's a noob map why not flex your epeen some more and say what a better one would be?

    Numbers without context are less useful so they won't have all the info such as was the kemocite going off inside a grav well'd group or just a loose cluster.

    Japori or Argala? Maybe that Romulan patrol where you fight 5 waves of Gorn ships? Gamma Eridon I think? Sector east of New Romulus.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    It doesn't really matter what combat or mission your logs are from. What's important is that they are comparable and you have data from before and after the patch.
    Do you have any Before/After CombatLog parses you can share with me, regarding the recent bug fixes we performed on this?
    If you used Infected Advanced, show a log from Infected Advanced before the patch, and after the patch.
    If you use Japori, show a log from before the patch, and after the patch.

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  • dragonhef01dragonhef01 Member Posts: 417 Arc User
    edited April 2019
    Will there be a fix in the next patch? Torp ships and mine layers definitely show a difference.
  • kaggert27kaggert27 Member Posts: 138 Arc User
    nixboox wrote: »
    As a side note, could we have some kind of visual indicator that the Kemocite is working - like it turns our weapons a different color for a short time? I thought it used to have one.
    It has an explosion effect when it procs, always on Torpedo hits, and whatever chance with energy weapons. It's an Lighter Fire Yellow/Orange circle explosion.
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    edited April 2019
    nixboox wrote: »
    As a side note, could we have some kind of visual indicator that the Kemocite is working - like it turns our weapons a different color for a short time? I thought it used to have one.


    Doesnt change you weapons color..but that explosion at the end is Kemocite..

    Taken from the Wiki.
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  • cannydogcannydog Member Posts: 148 Arc User
    I wish I had some parses of my recent gameplay. I typically always run Starbase One Defense and Kemocite doesn't seem to work that well. It works slightly better in Japori and Argala. So is this because the newer enemies (technically they're Older) are more resistant?
  • feliseanfelisean Member Posts: 688 Arc User
    cannydog wrote: »
    I wish I had some parses of my recent gameplay. I typically always run Starbase One Defense and Kemocite doesn't seem to work that well. It works slightly better in Japori and Argala. So is this because the newer enemies (technically they're Older) are more resistant?

    No. They just changed it 2 weeks ago and today it gonna changed again. Lets see how that one goes now.
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  • dragonhef01dragonhef01 Member Posts: 417 Arc User
    Thanks for the fix. One thing: is it supposed to crit?
  • telbasta7386telbasta7386 Member Posts: 761 Arc User
    Would really be nice if the radiation damage scaled with epg
  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    edited April 2019
    telbasta7386 wrote: »
    Would really be nice if the radiation damage scaled with epg

    Would be nice..But its not "That" kinda radiation :p More radiation boosters might be nice. I have a Full on Radiation build that mixes standard and Exotic radiation.

    Do we have any Tac ability that scales with EPG?

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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    Any changes?... i see no bigger difference, perhaps it helps, but i don't "feel" is doing much..
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  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    gaevsman wrote: »
    Any changes?... i see no bigger difference, perhaps it helps, but i don't "feel" is doing much..

    Its doing more damage..Thats about all I see/Parse/Read

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  • innuwarriorinnuwarrior Member Posts: 305 Arc User
    kemocite isn't doing much damage for any toon I have. I keep more for the debuff part than anything else. DPS just isn't there, on my tac kemo just sits at the bottom of the damage log, the very last place, outpaced by hull scrapping. Also no crits from it, ever, normal or not?
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