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stormcrow
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I get that it was easier to make science a catch all, but after sniffing the vapors, meditating and consulting the wisest Tribble of them all, it has been revealed to me that science should be science and medical should be medical.
I know the nay sayers are going to get their panties in a twist over the concept, but me and the wisest tribble would like to see a medical become it's own class... yes, I know the Dev's will be up in arms over this, but I am sure the Boss of cryptic is a TRIBBLE, like me, and is jonesing to hear the wails of anguish and cries of their sweet suffering.
So, give us a Doc that can do doc stuff and let science do the science stuff. Give us that sawbone that can graft that cyber limb on to my Captain, command a Plague Born destroyer and make my enemies rue the day they were born!
Incidentally, making a "Medical" class gives more versatility to STO and makes the creation of the private sector that much easier.
I know the nay sayers are going to get their panties in a twist over the concept, but me and the wisest tribble would like to see a medical become it's own class... yes, I know the Dev's will be up in arms over this, but I am sure the Boss of cryptic is a TRIBBLE, like me, and is jonesing to hear the wails of anguish and cries of their sweet suffering.
So, give us a Doc that can do doc stuff and let science do the science stuff. Give us that sawbone that can graft that cyber limb on to my Captain, command a Plague Born destroyer and make my enemies rue the day they were born!
Incidentally, making a "Medical" class gives more versatility to STO and makes the creation of the private sector that much easier.
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Even the shows point out that Medical is more of a strong specialization than something completely outside of the science field (despite what McCoy likes to say to the contrary).
There is truth to that. Medicine is a science, but not every doctor is a scientist and certainly not every scientist is a doctor.
I would like that, but player classes are pretty much done at this point, eight years into the game
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THIS!
I try not to put my medical well being in the hands of my quantum physicist.
STO is a great game and I want to see it evolve rather than whither. The best and easiest way to evolve the game is to expand it beyond the two factions... I mean really, I cannot imagine a Romulan or JH choosing Fed or KDF over Piracy.
We are utilizing a very small % of the potential universe working within the militarized aspect of space. With the division of Medical from Science you open the universe up to profound options. Personally I'd Break Bad all over the Gamma quadrant, in a few years the Jem'Hadar wouldn't even have neck tubes... they'd have nose tubes :P
For the game, the Private Sector is the undiscovered country. Imagine buying contracts, establishing business', Bounty Hunting, retiring from Star Fleet and doing your own thing. Imagine buying stations for you ship rather than a ship for a specific station.
In the Private sector "fleet" becomes an entirely different creature... buy, barter, build, seize that star base. Invade, negotiate, discover that colony world. The Private Sector creates factions upon factions and gives the game teeth... it would no longer be either/or faction, that colony world that you built could be under siege by any number of a hundred random factions.
Medical being it's own entity opens the playing field to expand science into real science and allows Medical to perform real medicine and create/solve problems that are not present in the game currently. Why not retire your Starfleet Ferngi engineer and establish a shipyard where you ply that mechanical engineering genius into a lucrative trade? Cuz I would really like to take my Medical Doc and open a cyber implant office... naturally I would need someone to forge purchase orders on the implants that I bought from the Pirates that carved them out of your other character... cuz the feds will have laws against that stuff.
That's fictional science for you, though. In Agents of Shield we have the (however gifted she is) leading biochemist perform surgery on team members routinely because they just don't have a doctor at SHIELD
That's not really where I'd go but that doesn't have much to do with having a medical department
But not every practising doctor is a medical researcher. In Trek though, Medical is it's own department, although sharing the colour of Science. So, the way STO did it it's not wrong, but it'd be nice in terms of "trekking out" to have our doctors and nurses in their own department, at least I think so.
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Nurse Chapel wore a Red Cross in her badge, but she wasn't a doctor in TOS, at least not until the movies. I believe that is a costume option for the AOY costumes.
I don't need a Medical Class, but I sure could use a Medical AI! I trained up a doctor and have tried for the longest time to get her to actually heal someone. Unfortunately, I chose a Beta Zed, so she runs into melee combat and uses her lame psionic attack that never works in preference to a) Pulsewave Assault Rifle, b) Bat'leth, c) Cryo Grenades. Since she is the first to fall when my BOffs start dying, she's never around to revive anyone, even after the battle.
Nonsense! As a qualified Earth Scientist I'd be happy to operate on anyone should they ask.
I might end up taking thin slivers of them and exposing them to fancy types of radiation to determine their content but I'd probably help them more than a plumber would.
Besides, Simmons has several PhDs, what does the 'D' stand for? Doctor, duh. Ergo all PhDs are medical doctors.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I just wish they still labelled which department each skill is supposed to be from.
Actually, they are.
My Mother is in the medical field and the amount of constant courses she has to sit through to keep up with new advancements is staggering. There are clinics, seminars and all types of stuff all the time and most of them are required attendance. Medicine is a constantly changing and evolving field and Medical Staff actually have a lot of research to do to stay current. Many times patients come in with symptoms that could mean many things and that requires extra work and yes.. research.. to determine the likely cause.
I get what you're saying, Doctors aren't out trying to cure cancer and looking up ways to overcome illness, there are specific researchers that do that stuff, but I can assure you they fit the definition of a 'Scientist.'
Scientist - a person who is studying or has expert knowledge of one or more of the natural or physical sciences.
Doctors are definitely Scientists.
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> I have seen real life Navy Medical Corpsman perform emergency field surgery. They are not medical doctors. Guarantee a Biochemist has greater medical knowledge.
I'd challenge that. Hard. 😄
Medics are medical trained and are taught how to perform field surgery. A biochemist is very, very much not. Believe me.
At the end of the day it'd just be fun to be able to distinguish between casters and healers in STO by having a "medical" under the name.
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Fair enough, that seems reasonable.
Which would you prefer poking at your insides?
Practitioners of a science are however not necessarily scientists themselves. Also, medical researches are often not practising themselves. This affects other professions in a scientific field as well, Apothecaries, Teachers or Attorneys for example have scientific training (the latter one having a degree of arts I'm aware, but this is a distinction that only exists in the English language as far as I'm aware) are however not necessarily scientists.
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Needless to say you'd also advance our knowledge of Gauss-weaponry on a whim, because of SCIENCE
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We're all just one fun discovery away from world domination. The only thing stopping most scientists from becoming mad scientists is funding. Say you want a death ray to heat a small lump of iridium up and you get funding. Say you want a bigger one to melt Australia and all of a sudden you're out of a job and resorting to flogging Gillson's finest to eat.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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> Again, they don't need to be.
> sci·en·tist
> /ˈsīən(t)əst/
> noun
> noun: scientist; plural noun: scientists
>
> a person who is studying or has expert knowledge of one or more of the natural or physical sciences.
No matter your definition, the BMJ would disagree. They at least published the comment of a allergist who would say doctors aren't scientists and appearantly the majority of cases mentioned would agree, doctors don't view themselves as scientists. The reason would be that practitioners do not conduct actual scientific work, they don't deal with the unknown. That is what medical researchers do. Aside from that, it also seems to be a cultural/language thing. In Germany, doctors are explicitly not scientists except when they conduct research.
Anyway this doesn't contribute to the situation in Star Trek. I think the Doctors have been prominent enough to warrant a career under the asculap.
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