Also... can you talk to the Bug Team about Gon'cra? Getting that Battlezone actually fully functional might help put out a few fires caused by the Red Alert changes.
I guess I won't be doing RA anymore. I rarely get to play on weekends because I am working on those days and only get any real play time during the week. Not everyone has the "standard" work week schedule.
So, yet again, Cryptic takes popular content run daily by many players and makes it a limited Weekend Event going forward.
can somebody tell Al Rivera to get it through his head that gating/removing popular player content does not entice players to play other content that is poorly designed in the first place; it just makes them want to stop playing this MMO altogether because lead Devs like him continue to make utterly stupid decisions.
^this... so much this... My play time is already drastically down because I dont have anything new or interesting to do. What little I do generally play lately is borg/tholian RA and maybe an argala run...
Bravo gecko, you just managed to make me question if I'll bother playing sto at all. And guaranteed I play less. I know several fleet mates that feel the same. Im sure this will work out great for you. /sarcasm
I play Red Alerts a LOT because they're easy to get into, and last only a few minutes. I can play one over my lunch break, or when I just want to blow off steam for a few minutes. This change likely means I won't play STO at all on weekdays anymore, I'll just cycle my fleet missions and log out.
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So much for ever getting reputations on my alts. There seems a real push to make queues less attractive, especially with the Tzenkethi battlezone such a mess.
Or grinding up new ships in a more social setting.... This may seriously affect what I spend on the game, honestly.
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An additional thought: since I use RAs as my primary means of leveling up ships to unlock traits, this change directly affects how quickly I can do so. Thus I'll be buying fewer new ships from the store.
(I don't particularly like whipping out an economic argument, but this is the truth.)
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Also... can you talk to the Bug Team about Gon'cra? Getting that Battlezone actually fully functional might help put out a few fires caused by the Red Alert changes.
Pretty sure Cryptic has said its WAI.
Last I saw... it was literally impossible to trigger the dreadnaught phase because the Tzenkethi recap zones way too fast. Hell... last time I actually tried, they recapped the King of the Hill zone I was in... WHILE WE WERE WORKING IT!
As long as there is at least one (former) red alert active at all times, I'm okay with this. Otherwise, yeah, you just murdered mortally wounded some reps and the ability to progress them.
Competitive especially will be extremely problematic since it seems no one queues for them anymore and they will not be covered under the new random queue system you're putting in. Everything else I can just queue up normally and pick up victims other players who decided to take a chance with the random junk.
Heads up on this: While Competitive Queues aren't part of the Random system. However, they are part of the rewards for playing Random TFOs. So you can get them, and Gamma marks, that way.
Or in other words, you want to force us to play your new inferior system... Got it.
Also... can you talk to the Bug Team about Gon'cra? Getting that Battlezone actually fully functional might help put out a few fires caused by the Red Alert changes.
Pretty sure Cryptic has said its WAI.
Last I saw... it was literally impossible to trigger the dreadnaught phase because the Tzenkethi recap zones way too fast. Hell... last time I actually tried, they recapped the King of the Hill zone I was in... WHILE WE WERE WORKING IT!
If that's changed I'd be happy.
Saw this happen months ago and it's still happening? (Can see how often I go to the zone)
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I'm glad my last Jem'Hadar is on the final 5000 point on all reps, except Gamma.
Sad to see them go way from everyday grind. Marks aside, i think RA Borg and Tholians are fun instances.
Keep them! Boost everything else that is not Latest season with Choice of marks except the latest of course.
Boost every space & ground battlezone. My gosh, i'd love to run Dyson ground BZ for whatever marks i need (except the latest). Ooh, and the good old Fleet defense with 20 players!
The new system "TFO" or what was it? Doing random randoms does not entice me much.
I'll play Age of Discovery, then we'll see if the game can keep me here.
Looks like a large portion of you don't exactly understand what Cryptic just did.
They took the quickest and easiest events off the table and placed it in a random unknown timetable.
These red alerts we're by far the most popular ones because they were the only ones that took very little to no time to pop but also very little time to complete them.
Now, anyone that was using this method to grind for marks will no longer have easy access to Mark's anymore.
Now to replace this easy grind for marks, players now have to queue for events that take far longer to complete and most likely a lot longer for the queue to pop.
The sad part is, I was using this method to grind for marks and basically was the only reason I logged into the game.
Now I guess I will only be logging in if I happen to come across this event when it pops.
Since I'm not the type of person to constantly check the website I guess this is going to be the end for this game for me.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see, however if too much time passes I will most likely not want to play catch up to keep my characters up-to-date.
I liked Red Alerts as a way to break up the monotony of the daily Admiralty slog. It was fast and easy.. I could get in some quick 'pew pew' during the week when I didn't have a lot of time to play. I would have even preferred they left the Red Alerts and just limited the Mark Selection so that I could at least still play them. Have the Borg Alert give Omega Marks or Fleet Marks (like it used to) have the Undine like it used to be (Fleet, Undine, Nukara) TZ Alert could give TZ marks as well as Lukari or something.
Anything is better then just removing them, it just gives me less to do on a daily basis.
Argala is better than the alerts for ship levelling... I do RA for the marks as well but mostly cause its one of the few 'pop in game and pew pew' options. Especially if argala is on cooldown.
And I am so not doing random TFO bull until they separate ground and space
It smell more and more like Marvel Heroes here, What are you doing Cryptic ?
Since this summer is bad news over bad news, Discovery based x-pack, Random queue, story mode butchered, Starbase24 useless, new race starting lvl 50, No more RA... what's the next move? no more dilithium-zen conversion ?
When you run a mmo you NEED to listen to your community and ask them before make huge change to the game, it's not the 90's anymore, devs are not allmighty gods anymore, people are vocal and they speak with their wallet. Angry and disappointed F2P players will not spend money on a game.
Like i said on the first line it smell like Marvel Heroes, a fantastic game who took care of his playerbase, dead and gone in a big walk of shame less than a year after big unwanted changes..
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Heads up on this: While Competitive Queues aren't part of the Random system. However, they are part of the rewards for playing Random TFOs. So you can get them, and Gamma marks, that way.
So, use random queues to get rep marks or don't do a certain rep that is difficult to get marks for. Guess I won't be doing Competitive Rep anymore.
Honestly though, how is this such a huge change from what we have currently?
Current system - Queue up for a Borg RA, complete it and get a choice of marks.
New system coming Tuesday - Queue up for a random queue and pray it's one you like, or at the very least one that a random PUG can actually finish and get a choice of marks *IF* you do.
I wish I could say I won't be using the Random Queue system you are giving us, but I will be. Just not in the intended way. I will queue up for what I want to play and get randoms to fill it out. I will not press the random button and have my time wasted playing something I don't want to play or that a PUG (seemingly) can't complete. *looking at you Assault on Terok Nor*
Hello. My name is iamynaught and I am an altaholic.
Well, many people seem to be putting in comments, so I thought I’d put in some feedback.
When new queues come out, they’re usually filled quickly because people want to play the new content. However, certain queues (and I don’t mind calling them queues) quickly fall into obscurity. So, the question should be: “Why?”
For example, Gateway to Grethor. I played it twice, and due to the content being badly timed, it became virtually impossible to complete, because people would get bored during the mission and leave. If people abandon a PVE mission due to boredom, forcing players into this on the new TFO system will not make it suddenly interesting and playable again. I believe you will find the number of abandoned queues will shoot up.
The Red Alerts, primarily Borg and Nukara, gave players the option to queue up to perform the grind for reputation marks in a quick and easy way. No 15-20 minute waits to see if the queue pops up, and no 60-minute grind on a PVE event you hate just to get marks.
I’ve been playing STO for six years now, and I do not consider this fair or reasonable to your players. I don’t agree with the: “you’ve killed the game” comments received, but I do agree with the moderate comments that forcing people into content they’ve voluntarily avoided will not make them happy to play it again.
Also, the number of weekend events is far too low to make this viable for mark grinding. Yes, I agree that removing the cooldown will be a good thing, but doing a Borg Red Alert 20-30 times in a day will prompt people to explore other gaming options.
Making a very unpopular change to a game, when facing tough competition such as the new Spider-Man game, the new Assassin’s Creed game and the new Fallout 76, all either out now or coming soon, will be driving people from the PCs to the consoles, and they won’t be loading up STO.
I would ask you to take into account the wishes of the players (and those of us who are lifetime members and have paid into the game) when making changes to the content. Instead of attempting to resurrect dead queues by giving us no choice, why not rewrite the event into something the fans want to play? Remove the dead weight and give us something fun, quick and straightforward to play, and I believe you will have far happier fans.
I play Red Alerts a LOT because they're easy to get into, and last only a few minutes. I can play one over my lunch break, or when I just want to blow off steam for a few minutes. This change likely means I won't play STO at all on weekdays anymore, I'll just cycle my fleet missions and log out.
Fun fact: Borg and Tholian Red Alerts had choice mark boxes added after they were made into queues.
Nope... sorry, that's a bad change...
I would definitely end up with less marks and will be stopped dead in my tracks for any reputation because I will NOT spend 5-6 Hours on a Saturday and/or Sunday grinding something.
The Red Alerts were the perfect opportunity to just jump into the game for 20-30 Minutes a day and still feel like you accomplished something, feel like you still progressed.
With this? Yeah... let me guess, there will be buyable Mark Packages in the Store soon?
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> @dracounguis said: > tasshena wrote: » > > So we'll only be able to do these during a 'Red Alert Weekend', instead of anytime now? > > This an attempt to force people into the queues for a mark type to get their marks? As someone noted to me once, they're only in for the elite mark, for regular marks 'just do a borg alert'. > > > > > Yeah, sounds like this is a 'nobody plays other queues' move to remove RAs from normal access. > It's what you do when you DON'T have a good idea to improve things. > So SOP for Cryptic.... "How do we make other TFO compete with RAs? We remove RAs!" > #gTFO...of RAs! > I can't wait to see what the next 'too good' queue is that Cryptic will remove after RAs are gone! > > Glad I gave up on my alts, cause I used to run the Borg RA for my daily bonus of X marks for reps on each one. Took awhile to do on multiple toons, but now they'd want me to run a normal (aka 'long') queue to do it. Nope. > > A 20hr CD would have been a better first step. Most players probably only hop in once a day per toon for some easy marks and mastery.
Man, I love you dracounguis. I literally read forum just for your posts of logic, clarity and sense. If Cryptic legitimately hired you on the Dev team, I think they would actually make money, not crush cannon and produce playable content again.
I for one am done with all this. If Kael reads Reddit anymore, his post has 100+ comments on his confirmation that RAs are not available 24/7, and the majority express how done we are. If the devs could explain why, I would love to sit down with some popcorn tonight during the Ten Forward and watch the fireworks because I think this will be more infamous than the T6 Vor'Cha comments he has gotten #Vortas4RAs
The game isn't doing well as it is , a lot of unpopular changes lately culminating with this.Do you really think that forcing people into long queue times is going to ..increase your sales somehow ? That they just gonna go , ''oh well i was gonna just buy a ship with dilithium/zen , but since that is so hard now im just gonna open my wallet''.People who still play this game , are already open their wallets but not because you force them to ,because they want to.What the few people that still play this game dont want to is to wait 20-30 mins for a queue . Or maybe they want you to fix the lag and rubberbanding issues.But no , let's gimp the game further ,maybe we can squeeze a bit more coin.
Its kinda funny
>Go on forums
>Reaction is "SKY IS FALLING!"
>Go in-game
>Reaction is "I only sometimes did Borg RAs for leveling, but got all my marks from Battlegrounds, or other queues"
Funny to see how different the reaction is.
That's probably because the people who jump in for a half hour or so each day to do some alerts and log off aren't in-game to react to it.
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Also... can you talk to the Bug Team about Gon'cra? Getting that Battlezone actually fully functional might help put out a few fires caused by the Red Alert changes.
^this... so much this... My play time is already drastically down because I dont have anything new or interesting to do. What little I do generally play lately is borg/tholian RA and maybe an argala run...
Bravo gecko, you just managed to make me question if I'll bother playing sto at all. And guaranteed I play less. I know several fleet mates that feel the same. Im sure this will work out great for you. /sarcasm
I play Red Alerts a LOT because they're easy to get into, and last only a few minutes. I can play one over my lunch break, or when I just want to blow off steam for a few minutes. This change likely means I won't play STO at all on weekdays anymore, I'll just cycle my fleet missions and log out.
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Or grinding up new ships in a more social setting.... This may seriously affect what I spend on the game, honestly.
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My forum single-issue of rage: Make the Proton Experimental Weapon go for subsystem targetting!
(I don't particularly like whipping out an economic argument, but this is the truth.)
Last I saw... it was literally impossible to trigger the dreadnaught phase because the Tzenkethi recap zones way too fast. Hell... last time I actually tried, they recapped the King of the Hill zone I was in... WHILE WE WERE WORKING IT!
If that's changed I'd be happy.
Or in other words, you want to force us to play your new inferior system... Got it.
Thanks for nothing.
Saw this happen months ago and it's still happening? (Can see how often I go to the zone)
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HOLY TRIBBLE! THANK YOU!
Yeah, and the new UI seems to remove the ability to see queue population, so forget seeing if Gravity Kills might come up.
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Sad to see them go way from everyday grind. Marks aside, i think RA Borg and Tholians are fun instances.
Keep them! Boost everything else that is not Latest season with Choice of marks except the latest of course.
Boost every space & ground battlezone. My gosh, i'd love to run Dyson ground BZ for whatever marks i need (except the latest). Ooh, and the good old Fleet defense with 20 players!
The new system "TFO" or what was it? Doing random randoms does not entice me much.
I'll play Age of Discovery, then we'll see if the game can keep me here.
They took the quickest and easiest events off the table and placed it in a random unknown timetable.
These red alerts we're by far the most popular ones because they were the only ones that took very little to no time to pop but also very little time to complete them.
Now, anyone that was using this method to grind for marks will no longer have easy access to Mark's anymore.
Now to replace this easy grind for marks, players now have to queue for events that take far longer to complete and most likely a lot longer for the queue to pop.
The sad part is, I was using this method to grind for marks and basically was the only reason I logged into the game.
Now I guess I will only be logging in if I happen to come across this event when it pops.
Since I'm not the type of person to constantly check the website I guess this is going to be the end for this game for me.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see, however if too much time passes I will most likely not want to play catch up to keep my characters up-to-date.
Pretty much.. yeah.
I liked Red Alerts as a way to break up the monotony of the daily Admiralty slog. It was fast and easy.. I could get in some quick 'pew pew' during the week when I didn't have a lot of time to play. I would have even preferred they left the Red Alerts and just limited the Mark Selection so that I could at least still play them. Have the Borg Alert give Omega Marks or Fleet Marks (like it used to) have the Undine like it used to be (Fleet, Undine, Nukara) TZ Alert could give TZ marks as well as Lukari or something.
Anything is better then just removing them, it just gives me less to do on a daily basis.
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For the elite marks, yes. But it gives normal Iconian marks too.
Hmm.
Must have been a vigorous debate... "but why did we change it in the first place?" "Be quiet you!"
And I am so not doing random TFO bull until they separate ground and space
Since this summer is bad news over bad news, Discovery based x-pack, Random queue, story mode butchered, Starbase24 useless, new race starting lvl 50, No more RA... what's the next move? no more dilithium-zen conversion ?
When you run a mmo you NEED to listen to your community and ask them before make huge change to the game, it's not the 90's anymore, devs are not allmighty gods anymore, people are vocal and they speak with their wallet. Angry and disappointed F2P players will not spend money on a game.
Like i said on the first line it smell like Marvel Heroes, a fantastic game who took care of his playerbase, dead and gone in a big walk of shame less than a year after big unwanted changes..
So, use random queues to get rep marks or don't do a certain rep that is difficult to get marks for. Guess I won't be doing Competitive Rep anymore.
Honestly though, how is this such a huge change from what we have currently?
Current system - Queue up for a Borg RA, complete it and get a choice of marks.
New system coming Tuesday - Queue up for a random queue and pray it's one you like, or at the very least one that a random PUG can actually finish and get a choice of marks *IF* you do.
I wish I could say I won't be using the Random Queue system you are giving us, but I will be. Just not in the intended way. I will queue up for what I want to play and get randoms to fill it out. I will not press the random button and have my time wasted playing something I don't want to play or that a PUG (seemingly) can't complete. *looking at you Assault on Terok Nor*
Losing faith in humanity, one person at a time.
When new queues come out, they’re usually filled quickly because people want to play the new content. However, certain queues (and I don’t mind calling them queues) quickly fall into obscurity. So, the question should be: “Why?”
For example, Gateway to Grethor. I played it twice, and due to the content being badly timed, it became virtually impossible to complete, because people would get bored during the mission and leave. If people abandon a PVE mission due to boredom, forcing players into this on the new TFO system will not make it suddenly interesting and playable again. I believe you will find the number of abandoned queues will shoot up.
The Red Alerts, primarily Borg and Nukara, gave players the option to queue up to perform the grind for reputation marks in a quick and easy way. No 15-20 minute waits to see if the queue pops up, and no 60-minute grind on a PVE event you hate just to get marks.
I’ve been playing STO for six years now, and I do not consider this fair or reasonable to your players. I don’t agree with the: “you’ve killed the game” comments received, but I do agree with the moderate comments that forcing people into content they’ve voluntarily avoided will not make them happy to play it again.
Also, the number of weekend events is far too low to make this viable for mark grinding. Yes, I agree that removing the cooldown will be a good thing, but doing a Borg Red Alert 20-30 times in a day will prompt people to explore other gaming options.
Making a very unpopular change to a game, when facing tough competition such as the new Spider-Man game, the new Assassin’s Creed game and the new Fallout 76, all either out now or coming soon, will be driving people from the PCs to the consoles, and they won’t be loading up STO.
I would ask you to take into account the wishes of the players (and those of us who are lifetime members and have paid into the game) when making changes to the content. Instead of attempting to resurrect dead queues by giving us no choice, why not rewrite the event into something the fans want to play? Remove the dead weight and give us something fun, quick and straightforward to play, and I believe you will have far happier fans.
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> tasshena wrote: »
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> So we'll only be able to do these during a 'Red Alert Weekend', instead of anytime now?
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> This an attempt to force people into the queues for a mark type to get their marks? As someone noted to me once, they're only in for the elite mark, for regular marks 'just do a borg alert'.
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> Yeah, sounds like this is a 'nobody plays other queues' move to remove RAs from normal access.
> It's what you do when you DON'T have a good idea to improve things.
> So SOP for Cryptic.... "How do we make other TFO compete with RAs? We remove RAs!"
> #gTFO...of RAs!
> I can't wait to see what the next 'too good' queue is that Cryptic will remove after RAs are gone!
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> Glad I gave up on my alts, cause I used to run the Borg RA for my daily bonus of X marks for reps on each one. Took awhile to do on multiple toons, but now they'd want me to run a normal (aka 'long') queue to do it. Nope.
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> A 20hr CD would have been a better first step. Most players probably only hop in once a day per toon for some easy marks and mastery.
Man, I love you dracounguis. I literally read forum just for your posts of logic, clarity and sense. If Cryptic legitimately hired you on the Dev team, I think they would actually make money, not crush cannon and produce playable content again.
I for one am done with all this. If Kael reads Reddit anymore, his post has 100+ comments on his confirmation that RAs are not available 24/7, and the majority express how done we are. If the devs could explain why, I would love to sit down with some popcorn tonight during the Ten Forward and watch the fireworks because I think this will be more infamous than the T6 Vor'Cha comments he has gotten #Vortas4RAs
That's probably because the people who jump in for a half hour or so each day to do some alerts and log off aren't in-game to react to it.