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a run in with a toxic player
tsunamideath
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hey everyone, today i had a run in with a toxic player when i was trying to sell two ships (a Undine Nicor Bio-Warship and a Voth Bastion Flight-Deck Cruiser) i had tryed to sell them on the exchange but they were not selling so when i go them back off the exchange i wanted to sell them so i started asking in chat if anyone would like to buy them off me? so i was asking the same price as the exchange witch is 7 million ec each and then i had someone pm me saying "thats the same price and on the exchange" and i told them "i know but no one seems to by buying off the exchange so im trying to sell them through the chat to see if i could get them sold that way" (and i wasn't spamming chat with my message i had sent the message twice in 15 mins) then i got a 2nd message from this player saying "good luck with that...cheating the player base never works". I was shocked by this? how was i cheating the player base? is it because i wasn't selling on the exchange and selling over the chat?
if anyone can tell me how i was "cheating the player base" please let me know and if Any of You that may read this have run into toxic players over the year post about it, i would like to read run ins with the toxic players on Sto
if anyone can tell me how i was "cheating the player base" please let me know and if Any of You that may read this have run into toxic players over the year post about it, i would like to read run ins with the toxic players on Sto
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
You weren't doing anything wrong and certainly not cheating anyone. Plus if someone wants to buy from a person in chat and doesn't check the exchange prices first then the jokes on them, because you should always see what the sensible price is anyway.
You just picked the same price hoping to grab attention in chat as opposed to the ex, nothing wrong there, people do it all the time. Maybe lower the price slightly below the ex price to get more attention but that's not cheating.
And, no, you are not cheating...not helping yourself, either.
Just keep relisting, if you don't want to drop the price.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
That response was pretty tame overall. I agree, you weren't doing anything dishonest or trying to cheat anyone, but it also wasn't a very good strategy.
I am saying this to help you.. I am not bashing on you. If that type if response offends you, then you really need to just stick to the exchange and stay out of Zone chat or Private Trades. That response was downright friendly compared to some of the stuff you're going to get if people think you're spamming. Again, I am not saying you were, but the community needs very little provocation before they're going to say much worse then that.
List them on the exchange, match the lowest price and give it a little time. They'll sell.
Now, on to my actual message: that is a great sig pic @theraven2378
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Aww! Well, it's still great
Deviantart too btw.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Not as toxic as they might have been but I can't see how they'd consider someone advertising an item for a face to face sale as cheating.
If this was the known trading channel, and someone told you "good luck with that...cheating the player base never works," then it may not have been the nicest thing to say, ever, but I understand where they're coming from, as it's generally deemed 'not done' (by the channel's etiquette standards) to try and sell something at a higher or same price even as on Exchange: the rationale for that being, that your offer needs to be worthwhile, as it were. Otherwise, everyone would just spam the channel with their own Exchange listings. So, my guess is, that by making a 'same-as-on-Exchange' price offer, some ppl might have felt you were trying to pretend you actually had a better-than-Exchange offer (hence, felt you were cheating).
I am not a channel operator, or in any way officially associated with it; so, anyone feel free to correct me if I got it wrong; but that's how I've always understood the policy.
That has always worked for me when I wanted a relatively quick sale. I post at @ 5-10% less than what's there and normally sell within 24 hours.
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I've had my share of argues with mentally-challenged individuals here. But that doesn't change the fact that there's a great bunch of reliable and friendly folks here. I'd totally "name" them here, but since naming is forbidden, regardless of the good or bad intentions, I can't.
From my perspective, 7m for an admiralty ship is a salty price. But it's a wallet-voting industry. If someone buys, the price/product stays the same or becomes expensive/worse in quality.
You can advertise in chat, as long as on the channel there is no "anti-trade" rule enforcing the chat. There is no such thing as spamming. Spamming is usually the sign of persevering in the attempt of moving the rock and trading your stuff.
I had a discussion with an attempted scammer who had the same attitude you bring here (not implying that you're a scammer, but he wore the same sheep clothing).
The guy tried to rip-off newbie pay-users into selling them stuff for 2.5x-3.0x the market price.
He also tried to coerce users into buying a certain doff that he'd promise to pay alot of cash for, out of roleplay reasons. (which was an obvious force-buy scam).
And I don't think I have to write the whole list here of attempted scams the guy had on his record.
He reported me for harrasment and I had a civilized discussion with the CS department. Now he can't join any of the fleets or armadas which I'm in or which operate with us, directly or indirectly because he is a trust risk and rip-off scammer/newbie exploiter.
In order to stay safe, don't trust people who ask risky things and don't try to coerce users into any activity that might look fishy. Feel free to post your prices and advertise your stuff, but be mature and prepared to engage in conversations without calling people who say things you don't like as "toxic".
There are actually some very generous individuals in this game, especially -- and maybe contrary to expectation -- ppl who are normally hated on, by a certain segment of the population, just because they're wealthy. You know how ppl often say, "I'm not made of money; I'm not ***"? (Naming names is not allowed here, but you know who I mean). That guy just gave me an Astika, the other day, out of the blue: merely because I was routinely mentioning (on another channel, where he resides too), that Supremacy is still something I needed for my Jem, and that I'd probably get that ship too one day. Not everyone who's wealthy is scum, or out to get you. (Not implying you were saying that, but just saying) Some ppl are simply decent folks, in their RL business affairs, as well as here in-game.
You don't even need to do that, if you post it at the exact same price as the lowest one the newer listing is always the top one. No need to under cut unless you want a really quick sale, in fact seriously under cutting may actually cost you more because it has the potential to start a downward price war. In that situation everyone selling loses out as the prices drop.
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People are not above doing things like buying 3-4 ships when there is a price gap... and then trying to quickly convince some zone noob that their limited time offer is a great deal and they should pull the trigger. That type of stuff is applauded in a game like eve but not so much in STO.
Granted in this case your talking little T5 ships that are basically throw away admiralty and in general don't sell for much anymore. So I believe you that you just wanted to move them. As others have said if that's the case list them 500k - 1mil ec lower then the cheapest on the exchange and they will sell with in an hour or so depending on the time of day.
Ummm, what are you talking about?
If i list a ship in chat for 7M EC and on the Exchange it is going for 7M EC how am i doing anything shady? Anyone can check the exchange at any time so there's never a reason to be conned on a price of something someone is selling. I'm just not understanding how you can think someone is automatically up to no good, simply from a chat post.
Stuff sells for what people are willing to pay, and if someone pays above Ex price or doesn't check first, well it's their own fault.
I don't care if people post items in zone chat; makes a break from all the usual fleet recruit spam, Gorn jokes and political nastiness.
Zone chat is irrelevant (in more than 1 ways). But, FYI, the Trading Channel has a specific rule about it, which states "All deals must be better than exchange prices."
Yeah i'm aware of the rules various trade channels may have, but as this was in (i'm assuming) zone chat then there's no rules. There's also no indication the OP was doing anything to cheat anyone, or acting suspect or whatever. It might not have been the best place to post it, nor the best way to get a sale by offering ex prices, but it's not wrong in that it deserves pm's accusing them of cheating.
Clearly, you've never tuned into the government channel.
I'm kinda looking at the from the opposite angle: why would someone *not* use the proper venue to try sell something? (Namely, the Exchange) Like Bob's Burg... err, bobs1111 said, a listing like that would immediately feel fishy to me. Not that I would ever say something about it, but I woud be wary, yes, and, for absolute certain, check the Exchange first (at which point I would just buy it off Exchange itself, is sort of the point).