there is no point in contesting the inevitable. CBS owns the IP and the licensing, and Cryptic's staff are deeply imbibing the Discovery kool-aid. I'm not excited in the least, I'm also not quitting, because there is a bit of hope...
Star Trek Online is a silly, even wacky celebration of all things Star Trek. When Cryptic introduced Agents of Yesterday, they gave the TOS Feds a unique UI with the large buttons that "clunk" and "beep". They even developed "film grain" for the TOS episodes. They did a good job with the writing for Victory is Life and even got some of the cast to reprise their original roles. Some of their content is hit and miss, and not without bugs, but there is notable effort. You even point out how "they do the best they can, with the assets they have". Adding TRIBBLE content is not "drinking kool aid". It is continuing the celebration, even if it is not to your taste.
you see, it's almost impossible for Cryptic to **** this up, or at least, to **** it up worse than CBS already has. It's likely to be a net improvement over the show, at least in terms of writing.
Star Trek: Discovery has issues with it's stories and their take on the Klingons is fairly terrible. However, there is constructive criticism that can improve Star Trek: Discovery. Star Trek: Enterprise, on the other hand, can only be improved with a gallon of gasoline and a lit match, yet you still see ENT content in the game. Even worse than ENT are the Iconians. As long as the new TRIBBLE content avoids "temporal shenanigans" or the Iconians, it should be just fine.
Please, no more "timey-whimey" content. I know you have to freeze the TRIBBLE captains in carbonite or something to move them into the future, but otherwise keep it to a minimum.
> @nommo#5819 said: > I'm surprised it didn't happen during season 1 but I'm expecting CBS & Cryptic to offer some sort of exclusive for something STO in-game for those that subscribe to CBS's subscription service.
> @talonxv said: > > @jam3s1701 said: > > > @talonxv said: > > > > @jonsills said: > > > > talonxv wrote: » > > > > > > > > Hey I never said what he did was correct or lawful. What I said was he had a better product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except that he didn't have a product, unless you count his coffee and T-shirts. What he had was an extended commercial, and somehow he managed to win your loyalty with that. > > > > > > > > Which if you ask me is freaking sad. > > > > > > Nope. Because in 23 minutes Axanar managed to tell a better story tha. TRIBBLE did in 12 episodes. If CBS had any brains, they would of been mature and said > > > > > > "Ok bad for not getting our OK" and slapped him on the wrist, then licenced Axanar and produced it. Instead CBS came out so heavy handed that they killed off fan productions like Axanar or the fan show that filled in the last year and a half of the 5 year mission before Kirk got promoted and the Enterprise got her refit. > > > > > > Cause guess what, Axanar looked more believable. The ships and outfits looks correct unlike TRIBBLE. > > > > > > I mean how can people defend Burnham? Seriously. A human raised as a Vulcan goes right to the conclusion to MUTINY to shoot first with zero provocation? Yeah killed the show for me right there. That and the Klingons. So badly done. I could of written that better and I'm not even a professional writer. > > > > > > > > Why license something they ALREADY own. > > > > That makes no sense, also I do not get people's fascination with 23 mins of nothing. > > Why? Cause it looked like an awesome concept of a story I wanted to see developed. And license was the wrong word. Maybe hire would of been better?
Again why pay for something they ALREADY own.
And why hire a hack who took 1.7 mil and made nothing and wasted every penny on himself.....
> @jam3s1701 said:
> > @the1tigglet said:
> > Let me just add, that if they were interested in coming out with relevant new content, why not make Axanar content be the next content patch?!
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> Because Axanar is not canon.
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> Also did you forget the lawsuit to stop that man.
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> Oh and next you'll be asking for unicorns
Sad part is Axanar was better than TRIBBLE. By a LONG shot.
I would agree with this, though it is a shame they didn't manage things better and caused all the fallout they did. The teaser they did was FANTASTIC as well as stuck more with the traditional look of that era.
> @jam3s1701 said:
> > @the1tigglet said:
> > Let me just add, that if they were interested in coming out with relevant new content, why not make Axanar content be the next content patch?!
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> Because Axanar is not canon.
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> Also did you forget the lawsuit to stop that man.
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> Oh and next you'll be asking for unicorns
Sad part is Axanar was better than TRIBBLE. By a LONG shot.
I would agree with this, though it is a shame they didn't manage things better and caused all the fallout they did. The teaser they did was FANTASTIC as well as stuck more with the traditional look of that era.
No, Axanar needs to be forgotten and buried in a deep hole for what the organizer have done to the Trek Fandom. The individuals who made Prelude did a good job with the task that was given to them. I, for one, loved Discovery and thinks that is a great cross promotion for the franchise. This should have been done when Discovery and the other movies were made.
Voted for the wait and see option, in part because one news article alone isn't enough information for me to make an informed decision on "Age of Discovery" but also because I'd really like to know what (if any) impact this will have on our 25th Century Captains (is this just an one off expansion ala "Agents of Yesterday" and "Victory is Life", or a fundamental shift towards Discovery themed future expansions from here on in?).
How many of you are excited for what's coming in the Discovery content coming up? Please explain if you care either way.
Can't believe the number of negative responses. I'm neutral but like all the free stuff that comes with it. At least STO does not seem to have a problem like other MMOs that lack added content and for that I'm very grateful that the new EP is looking to outdo what was the norm for a number of years here.
I have not watched much of Discovery personally but keeping an open mind to what's coming. I sympathize with the negative responses and do hope Devs do listen to both positive and negative feedback.
> @eldarion79 said: > nimbull wrote: » > > talonxv wrote: » > > > @jam3s1701 said: > > > @the1tigglet said: > > > Let me just add, that if they were interested in coming out with relevant new content, why not make Axanar content be the next content patch?! > > > > Because Axanar is not canon. > > > > Also did you forget the lawsuit to stop that man. > > > > Oh and next you'll be asking for unicorns > > Sad part is Axanar was better than TRIBBLE. By a LONG shot. > > > > > I would agree with this, though it is a shame they didn't manage things better and caused all the fallout they did. The teaser they did was FANTASTIC as well as stuck more with the traditional look of that era. > > > > > No, Axanar needs to be forgotten and buried in a deep hole for what the organizer have done to the Trek Fandom. The individuals who made Prelude did a good job with the task that was given to them. I, for one, loved Discovery and thinks that is a great cross promotion for the franchise. This should have been done when Discovery and the other movies were made.
And that's simply your PoV. Discovery does what The Last Jedi did to star wars. Let the past die, kill it if you have to.
That's what Discovery feels like. Killing the past, and rewriting it, not expanding upon it
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We'll have to agree to disagree here. ENT caused more headaches than it solved. People whine about the visuals in TRIBBLE, yet the T'varro looks way more advanced than the T'liss, yet we are supposed to believe the T'liss was built 100 years later.
not to say it was all wonderful (or at all wonderful) but they did a better job, most of it manages to hold up without needing to scream "I'm Star Trek" every five minutes to remind the audience what they're watching, they didn't have to shove an easter-egg reference into every episode or any character's background.
(Sure, they did do it a few times, but it wasn't constant).
Discovery's problem is, the show doesn't stand on its own merit beyond having really awesome special effects shots.
and that's a major problem and it's a problem that isn't going to go away, especially with dragging in Pike's Enterprise to try and work that nostalgia bone.
mind that the image of Pike's ship is awesome and beautiful to my eyes, but it's just visual candy. their problem is writing on the level of "Babysitter loves the Pizza Man Orgy Part XIV", aka the images are beautiful-in still, but in motion the acting, writing, direction, writing...are on the level of something put out by direct-to-internet adult providers based on Tumblr postings and slashfic.
This is good, solid criticism. "Less fanservice; more finding your own voice". This is what I mean. Stuff TRIBBLE can improve on. by extension, it's things STO can keep in mind when making Star Trek: Discovery content.
and it's right at the root of Discovery, with the central main character, extending outward from that point. special effects Pornography-where you don't get the smexy stuff, but you do get the hack dialogue and complete lack of thought put into every aspect that isn't developed by the CGI team independently of the writing staff.
Burnham was not handled well, but if we can make well constructed critiques, there is room to improve. Much of the truncated character dialogue (outside of the Klingons, which have other issues) is a result of wanting to tell "all the stories". A lack of focus oversight, and leadership in the writing room. You can point out "hey, if you slowed down or saved this idea for another show, you could expand on this other idea, the end result being character development that does not feel forced".
it took thirteen episodes for me to reach the point of "This isn't going to get better, it's just getting worse."
that's because I'm stubborn. less stubborn people walked away sooner, gave up hope sooner, recognized the trend sooner.
This is what it comes down to for everyone: "Do I feel this show will improve?". I know you have a fondness for Klingons, and TRIBBLE treated them poorly. I completely understand why you are at this point. I felt the same when ENT took a dump on the Vulcans.
I am still curious to see what comes of Season Two, though I admit I have no expectations (at all) from the show.
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> > > Let me just add, that if they were interested in coming out with relevant new content, why not make Axanar content be the next content patch?!
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> No, Axanar needs to be forgotten and buried in a deep hole for what the organizer have done to the Trek Fandom. The individuals who made Prelude did a good job with the task that was given to them. I, for one, loved Discovery and thinks that is a great cross promotion for the franchise. This should have been done when Discovery and the other movies were made.
And that's simply your PoV. Discovery does what The Last Jedi did to star wars. Let the past die, kill it if you have to.
That's what Discovery feels like. Killing the past, and rewriting it, not expanding upon it
Then don't play it nor watch it. I will play it and love the show. The doors that Discovery is opening for the franchise is a great thing. Five shows are in development along with two movies. More Star Trek is a good thing. Something in there should slap you with the I love Trek bug once again. I, also, enjoyed The Last Jedi. Just like your negative POV of Discovery and The Last Jedi, I have a positive one.
> @redvenge said: > patrickngo wrote: » > > there is no point in contesting the inevitable. CBS owns the IP and the licensing, and Cryptic's staff are deeply imbibing the Discovery kool-aid. I'm not excited in the least, I'm also not quitting, because there is a bit of hope... > > > > That bit about kool aid is unfair, @patrickngo > > Star Trek Online is a silly, even wacky celebration of all things Star Trek. When Cryptic introduced Agents of Yesterday, they gave the TOS Feds a unique UI with the large buttons that "clunk" and "beep". They even developed "film grain" for the TOS episodes. They did a good job with the writing for Victory is Life and even got some of the cast to reprise their original roles. Some of their content is hit and miss, and not without bugs, but there is notable effort. You even point out how "they do the best they can, with the assets they have". Adding TRIBBLE content is not "drinking kool aid". It is continuing the celebration, even if it is not to your taste. patrickngo wrote: » > > you see, it's almost impossible for Cryptic to **** this up, or at least, to **** it up worse than CBS already has. It's likely to be a net improvement over the show, at least in terms of writing. > > > > Star Trek: Discovery has issues with it's stories and their take on the Klingons is fairly terrible. However, there is constructive criticism that can improve Star Trek: Discovery. Star Trek: Enterprise, on the other hand, can only be improved with a gallon of gasoline and a lit match, yet you still see ENT content in the game. Even worse than ENT are the Iconians. As long as the new TRIBBLE content avoids "temporal shenanigans" or the Iconians, it should be just fine. > > Please, no more "timey-whimey" content. I know you have to freeze the TRIBBLE captains in carbonite or something to move them into the future, but otherwise keep it to a minimum.
Hey for all the shenanagins on Ent, atleast I could believe that the NX class and the early KDF ships were actually early shipa that lead to what we see in TOS. Far as Discovery goes, HELL no.
All Ent needed to do was get rid of season 2, bump the other 2 seasons down a season and season 4 go into the Earth Romulans war and the series would of been gold.
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We do not know as of yet, it depends on how invasive the content will be.
Hopefully it will just be for the TRIBBLE fans and not be unavoidable content.
Al Rivera stated that it will be similar to Agents of Yesterday. You don't have to play it if you don't want to. He, also, said eventually they want to build Age of Discovery as its own expansion put in piece by piece.
I just don't care. TRIBBLE is not in my headcanon anyways, though I'm sure fans of TRIBBLE will support wholeheartedly. Good for them. I'll soldier through it once on my main and not touch again. I just look forward to see where there go with the season after that. My two ec.
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Personally, I've seen the pilot episode. It came across as a badly written, self-insert, Mary Sue, fan fiction. And even understanding that shows sometimes have a rough start, I have to spend extra money to see if it redeems itself, which from what I've heard it really doesn't. If it comes out on dvd I'll probably try watching it from the library.
We do not know as of yet, it depends on how invasive the content will be.
Hopefully it will just be for the TRIBBLE fans and not be unavoidable content.
Al Rivera stated that it will be similar to Agents of Yesterday. You don't have to play it if you don't want to. He, also, said eventually they want to build Age of Discovery as its own expansion put in piece by piece.
See that bothers me. It means that there will be missions that existing characters cannot avoid and that means some kind of time travel (again...as if Star Trek does not have enough of that already) which means we're not getting anything really new, save for it being in the TRIBBLE-verse which some of us do not find appealing. While the TRIBBLE content SHOULD be part of STO for players who wish to have toons from that verse, the content should be compartmentalized like a UFP character instead of a having a VIL storyline added to the main episodes of the game.
VIL was well received because it expands STO into the future and many of us took advantage of the VIL merchandise and purchased the $130.00 Gamma Vanguard Pack (myself included), I don't see an TRIBBLE pack being anywhere near as popular nor as appealing.
Obviously we'll have to wait and see what STO is going to do here when the new expansion comes out, but if the new Exec. Producer's words mean a continues push of TRIBBLE in STO, the game is going to bleed a lot of players (myself included) who want nothing to do with TRIBBLE.
Andre Emerson stated this:
We now have an unparalleled opportunity upon us. This is the first time in Star Trek Online's eight-year run where we've had an opportunity to develop in lockstep with a live Star Trek Television show. Beyond the stories we plan to bring to the game, we're listening to you, our players, to create great gameplay experiences.
If TRIBBLE were taking place after STV (Star Trek Voyager) that would be great, but TRIBBLE is a 23rd century show and thus is really not compatible with STO anymore than ST:TOS or STE are.
There was Agents of Yesterday content that were not exclusively in the 23rd Century. I surmise that the Age of Discovery content will be similar in form. I disagree that DSC content will bleed players anymore then other Series content that fans did not like.
When i see what they made with Star Wars, the best things that can happen to the Star trek franchise is to be bought by Disney...
Imagine that, Disney buy star trek and get rid of all the morrons that actualy run the franchise and put Michael & Denise Okuda as consultants and guardians of the canon, Rick Berman, Ira Bher and Brannon Bragga as producer/directors, to setup a new show post Nemesis....
Interesting choice as Brannon Braga is directly responsible for most of (if not all) the worst of Star Trek of the post TOS era.
He also runs the Snoreville, that is why it is like a carbon copy of TNG etc with the serial numbers filed off.
> @eldarion79 said:
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> > > @the1tigglet said:
> > > Let me just add, that if they were interested in coming out with relevant new content, why not make Axanar content be the next content patch?!
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> > Because Axanar is not canon.
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> > Also did you forget the lawsuit to stop that man.
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And that's simply your PoV. Discovery does what The Last Jedi did to star wars. Let the past die, kill it if you have to.
That's what Discovery feels like. Killing the past, and rewriting it, not expanding upon it
If potential players do not like that emphasis then they are not really into Star Trek as a whole, they are into TRIBBLE.
STO is a post-Voyager game and has been since it was released. You just admitted I'm correct by stating that STO has already covered the 23rd Century, so doing so again with what amounts to an expansion for the sole purpose of promoting TRIBBLE is redundant and thus a waste of time. Many of us dislike TRIBBLE for a wide variety of reasons and are not ever going to pay for it no matter how much CBS attempts to force it on us. As I've stated consistently, you Drekkers should be have content from TRIBBLE for your personal use, what should not be in game is anything that is required for character advancement that is connected to TRIBBLE.
The new content is being advertised as an expansion, not just new content that can be ignored. We've yet to see how invasive this new content will be, but understand that "new" players are not likely to be PAYING players since younger players tend to not have as much money as older players.
TRIBBLE is now 25 years old. Most fans of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine are probably from back then, so I don't know why you'd say that people attracted by it would be "young".
And I always thought that DS9 had a rough start, but eventually became the most popular Star Trek series, since it's so much more relevant in its topics to today, and also has some of the more complex story arcs, closer to what modern TV and Streaming television has to offer. It put a more "realistic" spin on the universe, without losing Star Trek's sense of hope in the future. It balanced the Dark with the Light well.
But I am not sure why we are still talking about TRIBBLE. Victory of Life is "done", the next big thing is Star Trek Discovery. DSC will probably bring in some younger people, but probably also plenty "old" fans whose Star Trek love just got reinvigorated after such a long absence. I have 4 or 5 colleagues around my age that have watched it, and they are mostly middle class basically, so if people like them get into STO as well, they'd have neat disposable income.
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> @jam3s1701 said: > talonxv wrote: » > > > @eldarion79 said: > > nimbull wrote: » > > > > talonxv wrote: » > > > > > @jam3s1701 said: > > > > @the1tigglet said: > > > > Let me just add, that if they were interested in coming out with relevant new content, why not make Axanar content be the next content patch?! > > > > > > Because Axanar is not canon. > > > > > > Also did you forget the lawsuit to stop that man. > > > > > > Oh and next you'll be asking for unicorns > > > > Sad part is Axanar was better than TRIBBLE. By a LONG shot. > > > > > > > > > > I would agree with this, though it is a shame they didn't manage things better and caused all the fallout they did. The teaser they did was FANTASTIC as well as stuck more with the traditional look of that era. > > > > > > > > > > No, Axanar needs to be forgotten and buried in a deep hole for what the organizer have done to the Trek Fandom. The individuals who made Prelude did a good job with the task that was given to them. I, for one, loved Discovery and thinks that is a great cross promotion for the franchise. This should have been done when Discovery and the other movies were made. > > And that's simply your PoV. Discovery does what The Last Jedi did to star wars. Let the past die, kill it if you have to. > > That's what Discovery feels like. Killing the past, and rewriting it, not expanding upon it > > > > > Because "funny"
I never said it was a good situation nor was it smartly handled. Stop trying to shove words in my mouth.
All I was Anaxar was better done than Discovery and felt more in place for the period that it was set.
And that is still true IRREGARDLESS of all this side stepping to discredit you keep doing.
That's the fact of the matter. While highly reckless and poorly handled on all sides, still looked better than Discovery.
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Star Trek Online is a silly, even wacky celebration of all things Star Trek. When Cryptic introduced Agents of Yesterday, they gave the TOS Feds a unique UI with the large buttons that "clunk" and "beep". They even developed "film grain" for the TOS episodes. They did a good job with the writing for Victory is Life and even got some of the cast to reprise their original roles. Some of their content is hit and miss, and not without bugs, but there is notable effort. You even point out how "they do the best they can, with the assets they have". Adding TRIBBLE content is not "drinking kool aid". It is continuing the celebration, even if it is not to your taste. Star Trek: Discovery has issues with it's stories and their take on the Klingons is fairly terrible. However, there is constructive criticism that can improve Star Trek: Discovery. Star Trek: Enterprise, on the other hand, can only be improved with a gallon of gasoline and a lit match, yet you still see ENT content in the game. Even worse than ENT are the Iconians. As long as the new TRIBBLE content avoids "temporal shenanigans" or the Iconians, it should be just fine.
Please, no more "timey-whimey" content. I know you have to freeze the TRIBBLE captains in carbonite or something to move them into the future, but otherwise keep it to a minimum.
> I'm surprised it didn't happen during season 1 but I'm expecting CBS & Cryptic to offer some sort of exclusive for something STO in-game for those that subscribe to CBS's subscription service.
What about everyone who lives outside the US?
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> > > > Except that he didn't have a product, unless you count his coffee and T-shirts. What he had was an extended commercial, and somehow he managed to win your loyalty with that.
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> > > Nope. Because in 23 minutes Axanar managed to tell a better story tha. TRIBBLE did in 12 episodes. If CBS had any brains, they would of been mature and said
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> > > "Ok bad for not getting our OK" and slapped him on the wrist, then licenced Axanar and produced it. Instead CBS came out so heavy handed that they killed off fan productions like Axanar or the fan show that filled in the last year and a half of the 5 year mission before Kirk got promoted and the Enterprise got her refit.
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> > > Cause guess what, Axanar looked more believable. The ships and outfits looks correct unlike TRIBBLE.
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> > > I mean how can people defend Burnham? Seriously. A human raised as a Vulcan goes right to the conclusion to MUTINY to shoot first with zero provocation? Yeah killed the show for me right there. That and the Klingons. So badly done. I could of written that better and I'm not even a professional writer.
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> > That makes no sense, also I do not get people's fascination with 23 mins of nothing.
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> Why? Cause it looked like an awesome concept of a story I wanted to see developed. And license was the wrong word. Maybe hire would of been better?
Again why pay for something they ALREADY own.
And why hire a hack who took 1.7 mil and made nothing and wasted every penny on himself.....
I would agree with this, though it is a shame they didn't manage things better and caused all the fallout they did. The teaser they did was FANTASTIC as well as stuck more with the traditional look of that era.
No, Axanar needs to be forgotten and buried in a deep hole for what the organizer have done to the Trek Fandom. The individuals who made Prelude did a good job with the task that was given to them. I, for one, loved Discovery and thinks that is a great cross promotion for the franchise. This should have been done when Discovery and the other movies were made.
Hopefully we won't have to wait long to find out.
Can't believe the number of negative responses. I'm neutral but like all the free stuff that comes with it. At least STO does not seem to have a problem like other MMOs that lack added content and for that I'm very grateful that the new EP is looking to outdo what was the norm for a number of years here.
I have not watched much of Discovery personally but keeping an open mind to what's coming. I sympathize with the negative responses and do hope Devs do listen to both positive and negative feedback.
Saves me money, so in that respect I can't complain.
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> No, Axanar needs to be forgotten and buried in a deep hole for what the organizer have done to the Trek Fandom. The individuals who made Prelude did a good job with the task that was given to them. I, for one, loved Discovery and thinks that is a great cross promotion for the franchise. This should have been done when Discovery and the other movies were made.
And that's simply your PoV. Discovery does what The Last Jedi did to star wars. Let the past die, kill it if you have to.
That's what Discovery feels like. Killing the past, and rewriting it, not expanding upon it
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This is good, solid criticism. "Less fanservice; more finding your own voice". This is what I mean. Stuff TRIBBLE can improve on. by extension, it's things STO can keep in mind when making Star Trek: Discovery content.
Burnham was not handled well, but if we can make well constructed critiques, there is room to improve. Much of the truncated character dialogue (outside of the Klingons, which have other issues) is a result of wanting to tell "all the stories". A lack of focus oversight, and leadership in the writing room. You can point out "hey, if you slowed down or saved this idea for another show, you could expand on this other idea, the end result being character development that does not feel forced".
This is what it comes down to for everyone: "Do I feel this show will improve?". I know you have a fondness for Klingons, and TRIBBLE treated them poorly. I completely understand why you are at this point. I felt the same when ENT took a dump on the Vulcans.
I am still curious to see what comes of Season Two, though I admit I have no expectations (at all) from the show.
Then don't play it nor watch it. I will play it and love the show. The doors that Discovery is opening for the franchise is a great thing. Five shows are in development along with two movies. More Star Trek is a good thing. Something in there should slap you with the I love Trek bug once again. I, also, enjoyed The Last Jedi. Just like your negative POV of Discovery and The Last Jedi, I have a positive one.
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> Star Trek Online is a silly, even wacky celebration of all things Star Trek. When Cryptic introduced Agents of Yesterday, they gave the TOS Feds a unique UI with the large buttons that "clunk" and "beep". They even developed "film grain" for the TOS episodes. They did a good job with the writing for Victory is Life and even got some of the cast to reprise their original roles. Some of their content is hit and miss, and not without bugs, but there is notable effort. You even point out how "they do the best they can, with the assets they have". Adding TRIBBLE content is not "drinking kool aid". It is continuing the celebration, even if it is not to your taste. patrickngo wrote: »
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Hey for all the shenanagins on Ent, atleast I could believe that the NX class and the early KDF ships were actually early shipa that lead to what we see in TOS. Far as Discovery goes, HELL no.
All Ent needed to do was get rid of season 2, bump the other 2 seasons down a season and season 4 go into the Earth Romulans war and the series would of been gold.
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Al Rivera stated that it will be similar to Agents of Yesterday. You don't have to play it if you don't want to. He, also, said eventually they want to build Age of Discovery as its own expansion put in piece by piece.
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There was Agents of Yesterday content that were not exclusively in the 23rd Century. I surmise that the Age of Discovery content will be similar in form. I disagree that DSC content will bleed players anymore then other Series content that fans did not like.
He also runs the Snoreville, that is why it is like a carbon copy of TNG etc with the serial numbers filed off.
Because "funny"
And I always thought that DS9 had a rough start, but eventually became the most popular Star Trek series, since it's so much more relevant in its topics to today, and also has some of the more complex story arcs, closer to what modern TV and Streaming television has to offer. It put a more "realistic" spin on the universe, without losing Star Trek's sense of hope in the future. It balanced the Dark with the Light well.
But I am not sure why we are still talking about TRIBBLE. Victory of Life is "done", the next big thing is Star Trek Discovery. DSC will probably bring in some younger people, but probably also plenty "old" fans whose Star Trek love just got reinvigorated after such a long absence. I have 4 or 5 colleagues around my age that have watched it, and they are mostly middle class basically, so if people like them get into STO as well, they'd have neat disposable income.
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I never said it was a good situation nor was it smartly handled. Stop trying to shove words in my mouth.
All I was Anaxar was better done than Discovery and felt more in place for the period that it was set.
And that is still true IRREGARDLESS of all this side stepping to discredit you keep doing.
That's the fact of the matter. While highly reckless and poorly handled on all sides, still looked better than Discovery.
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