Starting at level 60

sophlogimo · March 2018

.. is supposed to be a Jem'Hadar feature. That's cool and nice, but... could we get the same for the other factions, by choosing a third option (not just "skip tutorial" but also "start at level 60")? The ability to play a Level 60 Romulan, Klingon, or Starfleet character from the start would be very nice.

There is, of course, some potential for what some people would label "abuse", such a creating a character, collecting the Delta and Temporal Recruit account rewards, deleting the character, repeat. But I suspect the developers wil put things into place with the Jem'Hadar faction that prevent this. As those will exist already, they could be applied to all factions. Thus, allowing level 60 RRF, KDF and Starfleet characters would be a reasonable feature.

Please?

baddmoonrizin · March 2018

I suspect that the new Jem'Hadar Faction won't have access to the Delta and Temporal Recruit rewards. That will probably be baked in to the Faction as part of their starting at Level 60. Because, as you said, there would be potential for abuse. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not possible to grant starting at Level 60 to the other Factions, due to whatever backend restrictions are placed on the Jem'Hadar that prevent possible abuse from causing unexpected problems for such characters of the other Factions.

snowwolf · March 2018

I think the Jem'Hadar start at level 60 because they will be the Jem'Hadar that helped us against the Hur'q.

All players playing the end missions, having played up to the Hur'q storyline are level 60.
So the new faction will most likely not be able to play anything before the Hur'q storyline, as having Jem'Hadar solving problems on Nimbus 3, Chasing Dividians, fighting the True Way etc.. Would be a tad stupid.

So most likely they'll start at level 60 to join the other factions as our storyline with the Hur'q progresses.

Thus most likely being unable to play anything before that.

Or something like that.

And starting the other factions at level 60 is a bit silly, leveling up and getting promoted.. Getting bigger and better ships, more equipment is part of the fun of starting a new character and playing a MMO. If you start at level 60 and have access to all the best equipment, your char will be complete in 5 minutes of making it.. That would be boring.

baddmoonrizin · March 2018

I believe they did say in the last livestream that they plan on Jem'Hadar having access to previous missions in some way.

baddmoonrizin · March 2018

I suppose that's true, @sophlogimo . Either way, there will most likely be some "safeguards" to prevent abuse.

darkbladejk · March 2018

In WoW's case what they did with the Death Knight was starting them at 55 and making you clear the starting area. once you did this you should be around 58-59. In that starting area I would earn the equivalent number of moves and abilities a character/spec of a similar level should have at that level range. I also would have a fairly decent set of starting gear and such to work with as well which in many cases was only outclassed once I hit the level 65+ level bracket. Once I left the starting area I was then free to go back and do the quests in the lower areas of my chosen faction. To combat potential abuse of me just buying up multiple of those starter gear sets and selling them on the auction house, they made them bind on character and such. Obviously I know WoW and STO aren't always comparable but I'm sure they've thought of some of these issues and similar stuff long before ever announcing it to us.

meimeitoo · March 2018

baddmoonrizin wrote: »

I suspect that the new Jem'Hadar Faction won't have access to the Delta and Temporal Recruit rewards. That will probably be baked in to the Faction as part of their starting at Level 60. Because, as you said, there would be potential for abuse. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not possible to grant starting at Level 60 to the other Factions, due to whatever backend restrictions are placed on the Jem'Hadar that prevent possible abuse from causing unexpected problems for such characters of the other Factions.

If Temporal Recruit rewards are already 'baked in to the Faction as part of their starting at Level 60', then a gross abusive situation already exists! Then all I have to do is start a Jem toon, and instantly have access to the Temporal Recruit rewards! And even if you meant that, at lv 60, they still need to finish a default reps, that would still mean I can abadon my true Temporal recruit (lv 24), and instantly start on the reps with my Jem toon.

There's too much instant gratification going on here.

baddmoonrizin · March 2018

Sorry, @meimeitoo , I meant that their not having access would be baked in. That is, they couldn't talk to Cray and claim stuff from him that might double up on whatever they already start with.

meimeitoo · March 2018

baddmoonrizin wrote: »

Sorry, @meimeitoo , I meant that their not having access would be baked in. That is, they couldn't talk to Cray and claim stuff from him that might double up on whatever they already start with.

My bad, actually.

I misread you. Glad, at least, that abusive situation won't exist.

iamynaught · March 2018

baddmoonrizin wrote: »

I believe they did say in the last livestream that they plan on Jem'Hadar having access to previous missions in some way.

A very simple solution.

Holodeck simulations.

Jem'Hadar are simply granted access to each factions missions through the holodeck. Now, while it's a safe bet that the Jem'Hadar will have to pick either the Fed or KDF faction, it might still be possible for them to run the Romulan missions as well since their missions are fairly self contained. And since it'd be a simulation anyway, I doubt they'd even need to tweak dialog since the holodeck program would 'see' you as a Romulan anyway.

Just speculating.

warpangel · March 2018

iamynaught wrote: »

baddmoonrizin wrote: »

I believe they did say in the last livestream that they plan on Jem'Hadar having access to previous missions in some way.

A very simple solution.

Holodeck simulations.

Jem'Hadar are simply granted access to each factions missions through the holodeck. Now, while it's a safe bet that the Jem'Hadar will have to pick either the Fed or KDF faction, it might still be possible for them to run the Romulan missions as well since their missions are fairly self contained. And since it'd be a simulation anyway, I doubt they'd even need to tweak dialog since the holodeck program would 'see' you as a Romulan anyway.

Just speculating.

Replays are already labeled "mission simulation" for all factions, but we still can't play "wrong" faction missions.

baddmoonrizin · March 2018

Oi. Ok, that's enough of that. I think that you both made your point.

saber1973a · March 2018

I may be wrong, but i think i remember, when KDF was the "New Faction", the player started playing Klingons from level 10 or 20 (don't remember exactly), and it was just few missions. After some time, the Devs added KDF content, then the Romulan Republic... hmm... does it mean, that the current "New Faction" will be also expanded later?

mirrorchaos · March 2018

sophlogimo wrote: »

.. is supposed to be a Jem'Hadar feature. That's cool and nice, but... could we get the same for the other factions, by choosing a third option (not just "skip tutorial" but also "start at level 60")? The ability to play a Level 60 Romulan, Klingon, or Starfleet character from the start would be very nice.

A zen store service item that immediately promotes the character to level 60, automatically skips the tutorial, given appropriate mk 12 Rare gear and a free t4.5 ship already armed with that gear, just default setup on weapons based on the ship which is based on your class (tactical = heavier escort, engineering = main line cruiser, science = pure science cruiser) and faction specific weapons for ground, feds get phaser, klingons get disruptors, romulans get plasma.

something like that anyway, have it cost around 1.5k Zen and 2k Zen. Easily something that could happen and make a lot of money off, especially for those players who really don't want to grind their way up.

saber1973a wrote: »

I may be wrong, but i think i remember, when KDF was the "New Faction", the player started playing Klingons from level 10 or 20 (don't remember exactly), and it was just few missions. After some time, the Devs added KDF content, then the Romulan Republic... hmm... does it mean, that the current "New Faction" will be also expanded later?

Originally you started at level 1 and you only had pvp missions and exploration dailies, man that got tedious in a hurry and there was always this call to expand the Klingons. After that it started at level 20 and the klingons were given the PvE featured quests to work with. Then the Klingons were revamped after that and were reset back to level 1. They are in a great position compared to where they started.

kiralyn · March 2018

I'd figured that the J'H would have to start at higher level, if only because there's no sane way to give them 60 levels of new missions (as others have said, having them join the regular low-level episodes after their starter epsode, like Roms or Temporals, and play through all those old Fed/KDF missions would not make a lot of sense.)

...hmm, and making up a bunch of low-tier J'H ships for them to use as they leveled would also be a challenge.

markhawkman · March 2018

meimeitoo wrote: »

baddmoonrizin wrote: »

I suspect that the new Jem'Hadar Faction won't have access to the Delta and Temporal Recruit rewards. That will probably be baked in to the Faction as part of their starting at Level 60. Because, as you said, there would be potential for abuse. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not possible to grant starting at Level 60 to the other Factions, due to whatever backend restrictions are placed on the Jem'Hadar that prevent possible abuse from causing unexpected problems for such characters of the other Factions.

If Temporal Recruit rewards are already 'baked in to the Faction as part of their starting at Level 60', then a gross abusive situation already exists! Then all I have to do is start a Jem toon, and instantly have access to the Temporal Recruit rewards! And even if you meant that, at lv 60, they still need to finish a default reps, that would still mean I can abadon my true Temporal recruit (lv 24), and instantly start on the reps with my Jem toon.

There's too much instant gratification going on here.

I'm pretty sure there will be some requirement. Sure the current one is rather low, but it's there.

asuran14 · March 2018

I kinda would have much rather seen the Jems start at level 50, and actually not have so much given to them like reps an what not finished for them. Since that mere fact of it could cause it that we might not get a recruit event, but that is not completely negating the chance. I will say that it is nice to see that they are willing to start a faction at a higher level, and further in the mission story arcs, as that was one issue with making a Delta quad faction an so if other issues are dealt with might see them do one in the future of the game (like during a revisit to the quad).

asuran14 · March 2018

ethereal#4956 wrote: »

Are you kiddin? one of the only things actually fun in this game, levelling a character from the start and people want to remove it? lol. Amazing.

I can agree with you on it being fun, but disagree with you on it being fun for everyone. Such as in other games many people want to get to where everyone else is, and enjoy the end-game content regardless of what that might be.

meimeitoo · March 2018

ethereal#4956 wrote: »

Are you kiddin? one of the only things actually fun in this game, levelling a character from the start and people want to remove it? lol. Amazing.

Kinda double-sided for me, tbh. I don't like all this instant gratification. Otoh, I have often sighed at realizing that getting a new toon 'from there to here' is, indeed, a long way, including all reps and spec trees. In a way, all this massive progression to-do makes for a cogent case starting off new toons not at the very start.

mrsinister82 · March 2018

I was hoping to see a thread regarding this as i just wanted to throw my hat in the ring about it.

As a lifer with many characters, characters i have worked hard on over the years in order to earn all the dill i need, i think having a faction start at lvl 60 is a mistake.
People will use it as an easy dill farm.
They will start level 60 throw a character together, kit them up and off to the voth ground zone they will go earn 60k - 80k 180k dill etc etc.
Repeat.
Repeat.
Repeat.
Buy more characters slots.
Repeat.
Repeat.
Repeat. So on and so forth.

Yeah, dill is going to go down the drain...... Again.
I have only just started even playing again after a number of years away due to the ingame currency being worthless.
It wont take long to see it hit silly levels once again.

mrsinister82 · March 2018

Heck, you can start a character.
Stright to voth ground, earn 8000 dill. Transfer it to another toon. Delete character, start a new one, straight to voth ground, earn 8k........ Repeat......

If they want to destroy the value of dill again, or find an excuse to nerf decent rewards, again, then this is it. IMO.

And there is my hat thrown in the ring.
Its open wide to massive exploitation is this idea.

Starting at level 60

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