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How soon will we see a New Enterprise 1701 G ?
seaquest42
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There were some discussion about how the Enterprise 1701 F as a flagship is getting outdated. If this is so.. the either the 1701 F goes into a major refit, or gets blown up and we get a brand new 1701 G.
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umm the F been around I think going 4 years now in Real life.
Then we wouldn't be on Ent-F. We would have run out of letters back in the 23rd Century.
The Original Enterprise went a couple decades at least, and had 3... no... 4 different Captains. April, Pike, Kirk, And I believe Spock (officially when Kirk didn't pull rank)
Ent-A was under Kirk, probably had a few years between ST5 and ST6.
Ent-B... we really don't know her history at all.
Ent-C we know the ultimate fate of, but not how long she had been in service.
Ent-D at least 7 years.
Ent-E lasted at least 10, and had at least 2 captains (Picard and Data) according to Path to 2409.
Ent-F is still fresh out of her crib, and already fought in one major war.
Based on info from Memory Alpha and what was mentioned in Path to 2409, The E was in service for over 35 years, which seems to be good for a ship named Enterprise.
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According to Fleet Admiral Marrow on ST3, the Enterprise was 20 years old and due to be dismantled after she came home from fighting the Reliant.
Also Kirk didn't pull rank in Wrath of Khan (ok maybe officially but not really) in fact he had to be talked into taking command.
Status: Retired. Ship class made obsolete by newer designs.
Commanding Officer: Captain Johnathan Archer.
Temporary commanding officers: Commander T'Pol, Lieutenant Commander Tucker, Lieutenant Reed.
USS Enterprise (Constitution class) - 40 years (Unofficially), from: 2245 to 2285.
Status: Destroyed. Self-destructed by Captain Kirk to keep it out of Klingon hands.
Commanding Officer: Captain Chistopher Pike, Captain Kirk
Temporary commanding officers: Captain Decker, Commander Spock, Lieutenant Commander Scott, Lieutenant Sulu.
USS Enterprise-A (Constitution class) - 7 years, from: 2286 to 2293.
Status: Retired. Ship class made obsolete by newer designs.
Commanding Officer: Captain Spock, Admiral Kirk.
USS Enterprise-B (Excelsior class) - 36 years (Unofficially), from: 2293 to 2329.
Status: Retired or Lost.
Commanding Officer: Captain John Harriman, Captain Demora Sulu (unofficially), Captain Thomas Johnson Jr. (Unofficially)
USS Enterprise-C (Ambassador class) - 14 years (Unofficially), from 2330 to 2344.
Status: Destroyed. Defending a Klingon outpost from a Romulan attack.
Commanding Officer: Captain Rachel Garrett, Lieutenant Richard Castillo
USS Enterprise-D (Galaxy class) - 8 years, from 2363 to 2371.
Status: Destroyed. Surprise attack by the Klingon Duras sisters.
Commanding Officer: Captain Picard, Captain William Riker, Captain Edward Jellico
Temporary commanding officers: Commander William Riker, Lieutenant Commander Data, Commander Beverly Crusher, Commander Shelby.
USS Enterprise-E (Sovereign class) - 36 years (Unofficially), from: 2372 to 2408.
Status: Lost. Exploring a nebula and no contact since, ship is presumed destroyed.
Commanding Officer: Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Captain Data (unofficially)
Temporary commanding officers: Commander William Riker, Commander Beverly Crusher.
USS Enterprise-F (Odessey class) - 1 year (Unofficially), from 2409 to 2410
Status: Active. Undergoing repairs and a refit.
Commanding Officer: Captain Va'kel Shon (Unofficially).
Some of the details are pulled from non-canon sources in order to try and complete the fates of the various ships and their durations to make some sense, please don't quote me on how exact as they could have no relevance to what actually happen to them. even so, the shortest confirmed duration of an Enterprise being destroyed is 7-8 years. There is still around 100 years before the USS Enterprise-J is launched. there is still another three letters left including F which makes four, thats still an easy 20-25 years on all four ships.
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If I recall, U.S.S. Yorktown was renamed Enterprise 1701 A at the end of ST4.
that's the commonly accepted theory (and it was NCC-1701-A it got renamed to, not NCC-1701) but there's nothing in canon about it.
Ahh I need to correct myself, I watch that scene again with the admiral and u are correct she is 40 not 20, my bad.
umm I did say 1701 A... just no dashes.
thank you, it's good you spotted that. i watched the films years ago but i am aware Spock made Captain and was meant to be in command of the Enterprise but because he gave up that right to Kirk, i couldn't be sure where in the timeline it was. He didn't want that responsibility as he had other plans.
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And if the end of "Survivor" is a teaser to having Data in the game, scrub Shon too.
Hold it, time to inject some facts in here. These are the relevant entries from the path to 2409 (which bear in mind also said that Martok was killed in a duel with J'mpok. More facts can always come to light.)
Keyword: returned. The last entry in the path to 2409 (and most recent reference to the Enterprise-E) is this:
Both of these are codified in STO through both academy lore assignments, superseding any side content the devs may have made (which could have been an honest mistake.) This is what we have in the game. Neither entry says the ship was lost and I can find no citation for the STO wiki's claim that the E was destroyed by the Undine.
(That could be a mix of references. It's worth noting that Starbase 236's entry lacks any mention of the Undine both on the STO wiki and Memory Beta.)
All we know (and I can verify) is that it wasn't in service by 2409 and that Nog and Data survived their tours (thanks to episode cameos.) The E may have been destroyed in the Klingon War, by the Undine, some other mission, or just decommissioned. But I don't think there's a canon source to say exactly what happened.
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I think when Mirrorchaos made the difference between official/unofficial he meant canon/non-canon. And as (IMO) good as STOs story line is; as long as its not made into a Paramount/CBS sanctioned movie/TV series its not canon.
Here is the thing, having looked up the wiki, one says the ship is lost, another says the ship is destroyed another a further page makes mention of the ship investigating a starbase, another page mentions it was lost to the undine.
all but one of them makes a direct mention to the ship being destroyed and others are vague, meaning i don't know. Do you have something more substantial to prove your point? right now until there is something more concrete, i'm having to go with lost presumed destroyed.
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