By the way, we've got confirmation in "Lethe" that the Constitution-class, including the Enterprise, are in service as of DSC.
And probably looked like the Tiger's Claw from Wing Commander. <_<;;
No. They were talked about in the opening scene by Burnham and Tilly, they didn't appear. Point being, they are respecting the story canon, even if they're taking liberties with appearance: it's a tiny, borderline irrelevant detail from that the Connies have been in service for a while. (Contrast the rest of the series, whose main ships were brand new.)
In otherwords......
.......nothing.
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By the way, we've got confirmation in "Lethe" that the Constitution-class, including the Enterprise, are in service as of DSC.
And probably looked like the Tiger's Claw from Wing Commander. <_<;;
Lets hope not. While the Tiger Claw in teh movie wasn't a bad looking ship, she wasn't exactly the Bengal Class we knew from the game. I mean they even called it Tiger Claw instead of Tiger's Claw. At elast the music was good. And maybe if they put the outriggers on her like the original incarnation of the Claw... she might have looked better.
I was referring to the game, not that god awful film.
There's only so much detail you can make with pixels at that time.
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.... you need to separate your answers clearly, artan42.
Okay, what episode are we talking here? The one where you said they called it a prison ship?
Are you trying to prove that the tanker and the battlecruiser of D5 are of the same basic hull like I said?
The prison ship reply is separate from the picture proving the Tanker and Battlecruiser are completely different sharing only a pair of nacelles. Unless you think the Miranda, Constitution, and Constellation are the same ships?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The Miranda class is an example to use, it was in service since since the 2260's and as time moved on the ship class in question was reclassified as bigger, heavier, more destructive ship classes were brought in. Eventually it was given non important tasks.
By the 2360's the Miranda class was used as a transport ship, ferrying supplies around or conducting science missions, but the one difference is that there were variants of that ship class, the Soyuz class, the Saratoga class and the Miranda Class without the rollbar torpedo launcher. it suggests the ship was good at a number of different functions from what it was designed for before the whole fleet were converted into warships again due to the Dominion war.
It's very possible some ship classes in the Klingon empire were converted from ships of war into more utilitarian purposes in a similar manner to the Miranda class, they have variant versions where the weapons systems were stripped down, the shield systems were replaced for something weaker, vessels that are not meant for direct action and require escort ships, their functions are in other areas.
Klingons need vessels to transport goods from point to point, prisoners from where ever to Rura Penthe or other places, ships that can mine gasses or have cargo holds filled with minerals aftering mining. Empire alone can't survive on warships doing the job or independent traders, they need their own fleets of ships to keep the empire working.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
The prison ship reply is separate from the picture proving the Tanker and Battlecruiser are completely different sharing only a pair of nacelles. Unless you think the Miranda, Constitution, and Constellation are the same ships?
1. You did not answered where the prison ship is in context.
2. You must be really blind not to see that the Tanker and Battlecruiser use the same BASIC HULL. Same head, same "torpedo" tubes. The *MAJOR* differences are two things; the underside with 'tanks' in place of the disruptor turret and the wing structures.
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2. You must be really blind not to see that the Tanker and Battlecruiser use the same BASIC HULL. Same head, same "torpedo" tubes. The *MAJOR* differences are two things; the underside with 'tanks' in place of the disruptor turret and the wing structures.
I would have to agree with this. It is possible for VARIANTS of designs to be used for different things. Klingons are a very practical people, hence some designs being in design for over 100 years. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
The basic Battlecruiser is a sturdy ship. Its entirely possible that they decided to retrofit some to act as tankers because of how sturdy the spaceframe is. Also... it would have some of the same weapon hardpoints as the battlecruiser so the tanker could be pressed into combat service if necessary and is more than capable of defending itself.
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The prison ship reply is separate from the picture proving the Tanker and Battlecruiser are completely different sharing only a pair of nacelles. Unless you think the Miranda, Constitution, and Constellation are the same ships?
1. You did not answered where the prison ship is in context.
2. You must be really blind not to see that the Tanker and Battlecruiser use the same BASIC HULL. Same head, same "torpedo" tubes. The *MAJOR* differences are two things; the underside with 'tanks' in place of the disruptor turret and the wing structures.
Are you even looking at the comparison images? They share a lot less than you're implying. However even if they are as identical as you seem to imagine it still matters not. The Soyuz and Miranda are different classes despite only the back of the hull differing.
So yeah, different ships both called D5s.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Are you even looking at the comparison images? They share a lot less than you're implying. However even if they are as identical as you seem to imagine it still matters not. The Soyuz and Miranda are different classes despite only the back of the hull differing.
So yeah, different ships both called D5s.
What about the Saratoga without her rollbar? What about the differences between the Excelsior and Enterprise-B/Lakota? What about the differences between the USS Phoenix and USS Faragut? How about the differences between the pre-refit and refit Connie?
The D5 Battlecruiser is a combat ship. The D5 Tanker is an armed support ship with approximately the same mass and components, give or take a few weapons. They use the same basic spaceframe but are configured for different roles.
It would be like retrofitting a Balastic Missile Sub into a Tanker Sub. Its got the space, but you gotta change some stuff to accomidate new equipment.
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The prison ship reply is separate from the picture proving the Tanker and Battlecruiser are completely different sharing only a pair of nacelles. Unless you think the Miranda, Constitution, and Constellation are the same ships?
1. You did not answered where the prison ship is in context.
2. You must be really blind not to see that the Tanker and Battlecruiser use the same BASIC HULL. Same head, same "torpedo" tubes. The *MAJOR* differences are two things; the underside with 'tanks' in place of the disruptor turret and the wing structures.
Are you even looking at the comparison images? They share a lot less than you're implying. However even if they are as identical as you seem to imagine it still matters not. The Soyuz and Miranda are different classes despite only the back of the hull differing.
So yeah, different ships both called D5s.
Artan42, as I repeatedly said and Rattler2 has pointed out as well; BOTH ships use the same BASIC hull(form). How hard is it to accept that the D5's HULL is used for both Battlecruiser and Tanker variants?
The prison ship reply is separate from the picture proving the Tanker and Battlecruiser are completely different sharing only a pair of nacelles. Unless you think the Miranda, Constitution, and Constellation are the same ships?
1. You did not answered where the prison ship is in context.
2. You must be really blind not to see that the Tanker and Battlecruiser use the same BASIC HULL. Same head, same "torpedo" tubes. The *MAJOR* differences are two things; the underside with 'tanks' in place of the disruptor turret and the wing structures.
Are you even looking at the comparison images? They share a lot less than you're implying. However even if they are as identical as you seem to imagine it still matters not. The Soyuz and Miranda are different classes despite only the back of the hull differing.
So yeah, different ships both called D5s.
Artan42, as I repeatedly said and Rattler2 has pointed out as well; BOTH ships use the same BASIC hull(form). How hard is it to accept that the D5's HULL is used for both Battlecruiser and Tanker variants?
By looking directly at the CGI models I posted.
They do not use the same hull. That horseshoe crab shaped bit on top with the reactor cooler on? That's a shared component (set up similar to a mission pod). Underneath that the neck section ends at the same engine part (looks like the rear of an X-Wing) before continuing into radically different necks (completely different lengths) topped with different heads. From the rear of the neck comes a set of wings that have a different shape, different angle of attachment, and different size, before finally ending in identical nacelles.
The fact the mission pod and nacelles are the same on both ships means as much as the Centaur, Soyuz, Raging Queen, Miranda, Anteres, Constitution, Constellation, Excelsior, Sidney, Curry, and others I don't have at the top of my head sharing parts means. i.e. nothing. Different classes.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The prison ship reply is separate from the picture proving the Tanker and Battlecruiser are completely different sharing only a pair of nacelles. Unless you think the Miranda, Constitution, and Constellation are the same ships?
1. You did not answered where the prison ship is in context.
2. You must be really blind not to see that the Tanker and Battlecruiser use the same BASIC HULL. Same head, same "torpedo" tubes. The *MAJOR* differences are two things; the underside with 'tanks' in place of the disruptor turret and the wing structures.
Are you even looking at the comparison images? They share a lot less than you're implying. However even if they are as identical as you seem to imagine it still matters not. The Soyuz and Miranda are different classes despite only the back of the hull differing.
So yeah, different ships both called D5s.
Artan42, as I repeatedly said and Rattler2 has pointed out as well; BOTH ships use the same BASIC hull(form). How hard is it to accept that the D5's HULL is used for both Battlecruiser and Tanker variants?
By looking directly at the CGI models I posted.
They do not use the same hull. That horseshoe crab shaped bit on top with the reactor cooler on? That's a shared component (set up similar to a mission pod). Underneath that the neck section ends at the same engine part (looks like the rear of an X-Wing) before continuing into radically different necks (completely different lengths) topped with different heads. From the rear of the neck comes a set of wings that have a different shape, different angle of attachment, and different size, before finally ending in identical nacelles.
The fact the mission pod and nacelles are the same on both ships means as much as the Centaur, Soyuz, Raging Queen, Miranda, Anteres, Constitution, Constellation, Excelsior, Sidney, Curry, and others I don't have at the top of my head sharing parts means. i.e. nothing. Different classes.
I'm done trying to tell you to YOUR FACE that they use the same hull form in spite of the fact that no one was backing you up. And you never even answered which scene you were referring to with the remark "It's a prison ship" regarding the "Discovery" D7.
The prison ship reply is separate from the picture proving the Tanker and Battlecruiser are completely different sharing only a pair of nacelles. Unless you think the Miranda, Constitution, and Constellation are the same ships?
1. You did not answered where the prison ship is in context.
2. You must be really blind not to see that the Tanker and Battlecruiser use the same BASIC HULL. Same head, same "torpedo" tubes. The *MAJOR* differences are two things; the underside with 'tanks' in place of the disruptor turret and the wing structures.
Are you even looking at the comparison images? They share a lot less than you're implying. However even if they are as identical as you seem to imagine it still matters not. The Soyuz and Miranda are different classes despite only the back of the hull differing.
So yeah, different ships both called D5s.
Artan42, as I repeatedly said and Rattler2 has pointed out as well; BOTH ships use the same BASIC hull(form). How hard is it to accept that the D5's HULL is used for both Battlecruiser and Tanker variants?
By looking directly at the CGI models I posted.
They do not use the same hull. That horseshoe crab shaped bit on top with the reactor cooler on? That's a shared component (set up similar to a mission pod). Underneath that the neck section ends at the same engine part (looks like the rear of an X-Wing) before continuing into radically different necks (completely different lengths) topped with different heads. From the rear of the neck comes a set of wings that have a different shape, different angle of attachment, and different size, before finally ending in identical nacelles.
The fact the mission pod and nacelles are the same on both ships means as much as the Centaur, Soyuz, Raging Queen, Miranda, Anteres, Constitution, Constellation, Excelsior, Sidney, Curry, and others I don't have at the top of my head sharing parts means. i.e. nothing. Different classes.
I'm done trying to tell you to YOUR FACE that they use the same hull form in spite of the fact that no one was backing you up. And you never even answered which scene you were referring to with the remark "It's a prison ship" regarding the "Discovery" D7.
Have internet cookies.
You're done? Okay. Feel free to check in at specsavers on your way out. You'll need a new pair if you're unable to read that badly.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The prison ship reply is separate from the picture proving the Tanker and Battlecruiser are completely different sharing only a pair of nacelles. Unless you think the Miranda, Constitution, and Constellation are the same ships?
1. You did not answered where the prison ship is in context.
2. You must be really blind not to see that the Tanker and Battlecruiser use the same BASIC HULL. Same head, same "torpedo" tubes. The *MAJOR* differences are two things; the underside with 'tanks' in place of the disruptor turret and the wing structures.
Are you even looking at the comparison images? They share a lot less than you're implying. However even if they are as identical as you seem to imagine it still matters not. The Soyuz and Miranda are different classes despite only the back of the hull differing.
So yeah, different ships both called D5s.
Artan42, as I repeatedly said and Rattler2 has pointed out as well; BOTH ships use the same BASIC hull(form). How hard is it to accept that the D5's HULL is used for both Battlecruiser and Tanker variants?
By looking directly at the CGI models I posted.
They do not use the same hull. That horseshoe crab shaped bit on top with the reactor cooler on? That's a shared component (set up similar to a mission pod). Underneath that the neck section ends at the same engine part (looks like the rear of an X-Wing) before continuing into radically different necks (completely different lengths) topped with different heads. From the rear of the neck comes a set of wings that have a different shape, different angle of attachment, and different size, before finally ending in identical nacelles.
The fact the mission pod and nacelles are the same on both ships means as much as the Centaur, Soyuz, Raging Queen, Miranda, Anteres, Constitution, Constellation, Excelsior, Sidney, Curry, and others I don't have at the top of my head sharing parts means. i.e. nothing. Different classes.
I'm done trying to tell you to YOUR FACE that they use the same hull form in spite of the fact that no one was backing you up. And you never even answered which scene you were referring to with the remark "It's a prison ship" regarding the "Discovery" D7.
Have internet cookies.
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I will relish this.
You are absolutely a nearsighted, moronic buffoon who keep repeating the same statement in spite of your OWN visual evidence and TWO of us saying the opposite of your standpoint with no one backing you up.
The nacelles and head are identical (barring the fact they plated over the windows on the head), they have same reactor cooling system assembly*, the pods on top are exactly the same, there's even an absolutely, greeble-for-greeble identical hatch of some sort at the rear. Even the impulse engines are identical - they just blocked out the middle trapezoid and changed the color. There are some incredibly minor variations in the neck, mostly its length, but even then, numerous greebly details remain intact. The twin support beams running the length, the small tube/beam in the middle of the neck, even the grate-like structure just aftward from that.
The only meaningful difference is in the wings, and even they share characteristics, such as the outboard support beams running along the back. But even the wings, different though they are, connect to the hull at all the exact same points. There is literally less difference between these ships and some of the Miranda variants.
It's the same ship. There's no way it's not.
*edited a bit to reflect the labeling in the pictures.
The nacelles and head are identical (barring the fact they plated over the windows on the head), they have same reactor cooling system assembly*, the pods on top are exactly the same, there's even an absolutely, greeble-for-greeble identical hatch of some sort at the rear. Even the impulse engines are identical - they just blocked out the middle trapezoid and changed the color. There are some incredibly minor variations in the neck, mostly its length, but even then, numerous greebly details remain intact. The twin support beams running the length, the small tube/beam in the middle of the neck, even the grate-like structure just aftward from that.
The only meaningful difference is in the wings, and even they share characteristics, such as the outboard support beams running along the back. But even the wings, different though they are, connect to the hull at all the exact same points. There is literally less difference between these ships and some of the Miranda variants.
It's the same ship. There's no way it's not.
*edited a bit to reflect the labeling in the pictures.
Yesh. and the D7 in tos is not the same as that Romulan Miracle Worker....er....."D7" in Discovery.
Yesh. and the D7 in tos is not the same as that Romulan Miracle Worker....er....."D7" in Discovery.
Well duh. Not unless they're actively retconning it, which isn't impossible nor unreasonable. Just stupid. Really stupid.
But my post had nothing to do with the D7 in any of its incarnations, so I'm not sure why you quoted my post specifically. I only posted to make sure artan's ship was well and truly sunk, so to speak.
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In otherwords......
.......nothing.
There's only so much detail you can make with pixels at that time.
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The prison ship reply is separate from the picture proving the Tanker and Battlecruiser are completely different sharing only a pair of nacelles. Unless you think the Miranda, Constitution, and Constellation are the same ships?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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By the 2360's the Miranda class was used as a transport ship, ferrying supplies around or conducting science missions, but the one difference is that there were variants of that ship class, the Soyuz class, the Saratoga class and the Miranda Class without the rollbar torpedo launcher. it suggests the ship was good at a number of different functions from what it was designed for before the whole fleet were converted into warships again due to the Dominion war.
It's very possible some ship classes in the Klingon empire were converted from ships of war into more utilitarian purposes in a similar manner to the Miranda class, they have variant versions where the weapons systems were stripped down, the shield systems were replaced for something weaker, vessels that are not meant for direct action and require escort ships, their functions are in other areas.
Klingons need vessels to transport goods from point to point, prisoners from where ever to Rura Penthe or other places, ships that can mine gasses or have cargo holds filled with minerals aftering mining. Empire alone can't survive on warships doing the job or independent traders, they need their own fleets of ships to keep the empire working.
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2. You must be really blind not to see that the Tanker and Battlecruiser use the same BASIC HULL. Same head, same "torpedo" tubes. The *MAJOR* differences are two things; the underside with 'tanks' in place of the disruptor turret and the wing structures.
I would have to agree with this. It is possible for VARIANTS of designs to be used for different things. Klingons are a very practical people, hence some designs being in design for over 100 years. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
The basic Battlecruiser is a sturdy ship. Its entirely possible that they decided to retrofit some to act as tankers because of how sturdy the spaceframe is. Also... it would have some of the same weapon hardpoints as the battlecruiser so the tanker could be pressed into combat service if necessary and is more than capable of defending itself.
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Are you even looking at the comparison images? They share a lot less than you're implying. However even if they are as identical as you seem to imagine it still matters not. The Soyuz and Miranda are different classes despite only the back of the hull differing.
So yeah, different ships both called D5s.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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What about the Saratoga without her rollbar? What about the differences between the Excelsior and Enterprise-B/Lakota? What about the differences between the USS Phoenix and USS Faragut? How about the differences between the pre-refit and refit Connie?
The D5 Battlecruiser is a combat ship. The D5 Tanker is an armed support ship with approximately the same mass and components, give or take a few weapons. They use the same basic spaceframe but are configured for different roles.
It would be like retrofitting a Balastic Missile Sub into a Tanker Sub. Its got the space, but you gotta change some stuff to accomidate new equipment.
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Artan42, as I repeatedly said and Rattler2 has pointed out as well; BOTH ships use the same BASIC hull(form). How hard is it to accept that the D5's HULL is used for both Battlecruiser and Tanker variants?
By looking directly at the CGI models I posted.
They do not use the same hull. That horseshoe crab shaped bit on top with the reactor cooler on? That's a shared component (set up similar to a mission pod). Underneath that the neck section ends at the same engine part (looks like the rear of an X-Wing) before continuing into radically different necks (completely different lengths) topped with different heads. From the rear of the neck comes a set of wings that have a different shape, different angle of attachment, and different size, before finally ending in identical nacelles.
The fact the mission pod and nacelles are the same on both ships means as much as the Centaur, Soyuz, Raging Queen, Miranda, Anteres, Constitution, Constellation, Excelsior, Sidney, Curry, and others I don't have at the top of my head sharing parts means. i.e. nothing. Different classes.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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You're done? Okay. Feel free to check in at specsavers on your way out. You'll need a new pair if you're unable to read that badly.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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I will relish this.
You are absolutely a nearsighted, moronic buffoon who keep repeating the same statement in spite of your OWN visual evidence and TWO of us saying the opposite of your standpoint with no one backing you up.
lol those are almost exactly the same ship.
The nacelles and head are identical (barring the fact they plated over the windows on the head), they have same reactor cooling system assembly*, the pods on top are exactly the same, there's even an absolutely, greeble-for-greeble identical hatch of some sort at the rear. Even the impulse engines are identical - they just blocked out the middle trapezoid and changed the color. There are some incredibly minor variations in the neck, mostly its length, but even then, numerous greebly details remain intact. The twin support beams running the length, the small tube/beam in the middle of the neck, even the grate-like structure just aftward from that.
The only meaningful difference is in the wings, and even they share characteristics, such as the outboard support beams running along the back. But even the wings, different though they are, connect to the hull at all the exact same points. There is literally less difference between these ships and some of the Miranda variants.
It's the same ship. There's no way it's not.
*edited a bit to reflect the labeling in the pictures.
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Yesh. and the D7 in tos is not the same as that Romulan Miracle Worker....er....."D7" in Discovery.
Well duh. Not unless they're actively retconning it, which isn't impossible nor unreasonable. Just stupid. Really stupid.
But my post had nothing to do with the D7 in any of its incarnations, so I'm not sure why you quoted my post specifically. I only posted to make sure artan's ship was well and truly sunk, so to speak.
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