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Yet they had raptors and BoP's. We seen nothing in Discovery akin to these.
The Discovery production team just does not give a TRIBBLE about canonical stuff.
Too early to know for sure. Discovery is only 6 episodes old, there is plenty of time to get around to the canonical stuff we all know.
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So far, they kept on pulling down their trousers and taking a big, steaming TRIBBLE all over it, already.
Don't get me wrong, DSC is super silly and really let's me 'miss' ENT as it was also terribly written but at least looked 'authentic'. But we still can't say wether they respect canon or not until it's over. They could even go the "time travel erases everything" route which would nake the whole show pointless xD
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These Klingon ships all seem to have very complicated surface, very decorative. Maybe these designs will be abandoned either because they are forced to build a lot of new ships, or because their new cloaking technology works better with a smoother surface. (Kinda like the first Stealth Fighters had very "triangular" shapes instead of smooth curves.)
It could be that we just haven't seen these designs yet. The Empire isn't as unified as it will be in the future. So apparently each house is currently fielding its own designs. A ship from one House may look different from a similar ship from another House. I guess in a way its like Feudal Japan. Not a unified empire yet, but several Shoguns having control of their own respective regions. And as of right now... all but one of these Shoguns believe they have a common enemy thanks to T'Kuvma.
Also, the ships we saw in Episode 2 were most likely the flagships of the Great Houses.
Will we see Raptors and BoPs? Maybe. It is still very early in the series. Don't forget that we only ever saw one design of Klingon ship in TOS. Chronologically we have seen BoPs and Raptors, however we do have to consider its beenabout 100 years by the time of Discovery in the Prime Timeline since Starfleet encountered a Klingon ship.
D7 is probably the Federation designation for the Klingon Battlecruiser. Kinda like how NATO classified Soviet fighters, such as the MiG-21 "Fishbed". I doubt the Russians called the MiG-21 a Fishbed.
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Terrible?? I personally thought the Augment virus was brilliant ...
It is a very clever way to address the appearance change. AND also a good reason for Worf to say "We don't like to talk about it".
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It's not necessarily a bad thing to do a reboot. Reboots are okay if they're done well.
This actually makes sense, although it's reversed from Warsaw Pact versus NATO (which is funny given the Klingons' origins as a stand-in for the Soviet Socialist Republic of Russia*): "Fishbed" was NATO's nickname; for the Soviets it was officially just the "MiG-21". (Though it wouldn't surprise me if the pilots had their own name for it. EDIT: It was apparently nicknamed the "balalaika", after the musical instrument.)
* Because the Klingons made use of the Russian stereotype specifically, not necessarily cultures from the rest of the Soviet Union.
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For TMP, it was a technology upgrade. Least that's what I gathered for it. Though, to me, TOS was more advanced looking.
And ENT did the augment virus, which works great for me, SOMETHING changed the Klignons big time, and it made sense...and why Worf would not want to talk about it.
Discovery is changing things for the sake of changing things. Saying the thing we saw the other week IS a D7 is like taking Captain Picard and replacing Pat with Vin Diesel and saying that's how it always was. No.
It's like taking Darth Vader and making him look like Optimus Prime or Robocop.
Discovery is bait and switch. And I never cared for reboots....to me, they are just the typical lazy, uninspired Hollywood cookie cutter mentality and putting something out and avoiding the that oh so dreadful process of either doing continuation or....get this...something original. ~cues dramatic chord~
This is why I support fan films like Phase 2 or ST Continues, etc. They are pretty darn good, and they do their best to stick to what was set up beforehand.
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give em a gritty lump of TRIBBLE, and slap "Star Trek" on it, and they'd eat it up. >_>;;
Actually no. The Star Trek name will only bring the fans to have a taste of it. Quality will make them stay. If a Star Trek show is a gritty lump of ****, then it will actually hurt the show far more than if it had nothing to do with Star Trek. A lousy generic SF show will always generate less outrage compared to a lousy SF sequel or prequel. Since the fans won't feel betrayed.
Yeah, DISCO would probably work better if it was in independent sci-fi series, rather than a Star Trek series. Work narratively, I mean. Maybe not work commercially.
But while I agree that Hollywood as a whole is over-obsessed with reboots and we need more big-budget original productions, they can't really to a continuation of TOS. It's dated aesthetically and the narratives are too simple and well-trodden to work for modern audiences.
If you want to make a Star Trek production, you have two choices: Continue one of the existing series, in which case you have to deal with the big, hairy continuity snarls that came with those series, as well as stay fairly close in tone; or do a reboot, in which case you can rework the Star Trek universe as you see fit, keeping what works for you and discarding what doesn't. That lets you make whatever point you want to make.
DISCO's problem is that it's functionally a reboot, but pretends to maintain continuity. That could well be an executive meddling issue:
Creators: We have an idea for a Star Trek reboot.
CBS/Paramount/Whoever, they're all the same: Great! Reboots are in! But wait, fans hated the last reboot. Don't call it a reboot.
Creators: So make a reboot but call it a continuation?
Corporate Overlords: Exactly!
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So that's why Phase 2, ST Continues, Pacific 201, and Axxanar were so well liked, because it's dated looking? Trek don't need a reboot....fans seem to do pretty well.......CBS/Paramount is run by, to me, a bunch of BEAN COUNTERS, who THINK they are intelligent and talented, when, in reality, then are not. If Trek can be done by big time fans of the show, aka 'us geeks', better than than the suits, that sorta tells me the suits need to take a good, long look at themselves.
I don't think it's dated or too simple. Look on modern western world tv and films.......explosions, overrated and garish CGI, actors who all talk in those low whisper, Snake Plisskin wannabe voices; and double d cup **** flopping about, sexual tension, and little to no plot, story or substance.
Kinda too late on that last bit, I think. >_>
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I'm not sure on Axanar, that didn't go very far with that whole infringement thing with CBS, not a lot of people were happy after all that, especially other fan made services who were punished for it and probably a lot of people who watched these fan made shows, Axanar quietly released their two parter and sank without a trace after that. Besides that, CBS is just there to make sure Canon is respected and to have tv rights to it on their channel, but CBS isn't solely to blame for it; Secret Hideout, Roddenberry Entertainment and Living Dead Guy Productions are just as involved in creating the show and so are their EP's.
There are a lot of people involved in something of this scale and something needed to be found that everyone can get onboard with. I know you and Patrickngo are not happy with Discovery because of what it is and what it represents, but it should respected for everyone who is involved in the project.
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> I don't think it's dated or too simple. Look on modern western world tv and films.......explosions, overrated and garish CGI, actors who all talk in those low whisper, Snake Plisskin wannabe voices; and double d cup **** flopping about, sexual tension, and little to no plot, story or substance.
Thank you! There is only so much you can say about Klingons and props, but does really nobody like to acknowledge that so many actors play really bland "flavour of the moment" roles? Burnham's empty bland stare makes me want to throw something and Lorca's sinister wannabe edgy behaviour is exhausting.
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Maybe if CBS and Paramount made....you know....GOOD STUFF.....maybe there would be less fanfilms. And Axxanar was simply the one they went after, if not Axxanar, it would have been Renegades or ST Continues or whatever. Competition worries bean counters. When it gets to the point a comedic sci fi series is able to give the official stuff some decent competition, they might wanna rethink things....though when it comes to thinking, that's a new concept for them to grasp.
And so far, CBS has done a TRIBBLE poor job respecting cannon in discovery, as are all the others involved. They are pretty much going, in my opinion, saying they are 'respecting' TOS cannon, but, in actually, dropping their pants and using TOS as proverbial toilet paper. Plus all the other stuff angrytarg above mentioned.....don't see any need to respect it.
i hope i haven't come across as being disrespectful myself in the process.
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