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Until the inevitable lockbox, what ships give you a Discovery vibe?

I can't wait for a Discovery lockbox so I can drop 1.5bil EC on the ships from the new show. But until that happens, what ships currently in game give you a Discovery vibe to fly?
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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,014 Arc User
    The Akira and Armitage
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      "The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
      -Lord Commander Solar Macharius
    • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
      Just finished an Internet search and also checked Memory Alpha and Beta on 'The Battle at the Binary Stars'. No luck on ship classes. The USS Shenzhou definitely has NX roots. There seemed to be a couple of Federation ships with two double Nacelles. The USS Europa fleetingly reminded me of a Miranda when it first tractored the USS Shenzhou but it wasn't as apparent when it was rammed by the decloaked Klingon ship.
      'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
      Judge Dan Haywood
      'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
      l don't know.
      l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
      That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
      Lt. Philip J. Minns
    • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,014 Arc User
      The Shenzhou is a Walker Class according to Memory Alpha
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        "The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
        -Lord Commander Solar Macharius
      • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
        really? i mean...it's right there in the opening paragraph - Walker Class

        http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Shenzhou​​
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        #LegalizeAwoo

        A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
        An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
        A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
        A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


        "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
        "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
        Passion and Serenity are one.
        I gain power by understanding both.
        In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
        I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
        The Force is united within me.
      • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
        Yeah, I did notice that earlier but I guess I got caught up in all the other ships saying unknown class I forgot what I had read earlier. Thanks for pointing that out.

        Memory Alpha, if you check the Walker Class, indicated that it is considered old by 2249 so it definitely has NX roots but definitely looks more like the Akira.
        'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
        Judge Dan Haywood
        'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
        l don't know.
        l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
        That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
        Lt. Philip J. Minns
      • bonzodog01bonzodog01 Member Posts: 147 Arc User
        I just hope we get some Klingon stuff from Discovery. That would be amazing to say the least.
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      • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,541 Community Moderator
        Might be able to kitbash the Thunderchild (T3 Heavy Escort) and the Heavy Escort Carriers to make a passable Shenzhou.
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        I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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      • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
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        Scryer has a certain resemblance. The biggest difference is the nacelles.
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      • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
        indeed. that's actually a pic I made for a different thread :D
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      • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
        Only a few days until they announce the contents of the Discovery Lockbox. ;)
        'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
        Judge Dan Haywood
        'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
        l don't know.
        l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
        That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
        Lt. Philip J. Minns
      • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,541 Community Moderator
        ltminns wrote: »
        Only a few days until they announce the contents of the Discovery Lockbox. ;)

        Assuming there will be one. Its a bit early IMO.
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        I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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      • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
        bonzodog01 wrote: »
        I just hope we get some Klingon stuff from Discovery. That would be amazing to say the least.

        They will add some in. Likely that ugly TRIBBLE armor you see the Klingons wearing.

        Other than that, the over all look is for this would be, Flat nose, Purple Skin, Cranial Ridges(under tattoos and scars), and the Pitted complexion. Oh yeah, and lips fullness set to full. They look like someone took a cow and beat it's face flat with a 2x4.
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      • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,666 Bug Hunter
        I think it's possibly it may be at least another year or two possibly more before we really see to many Discovery ships offered in game. If they are introduced given that their Prime timeline and just following several years after Enterprise (which NX ship is but a tier 1) I'd be surprised if we saw them more than Tier 2 to Tier 4 but who knows.

        They justified the alternate timeline having T6 Constitution as the threat the Fed of that timeline faced caused as faster and much more aggressive weapons and technological advancements. It be a little harder to make that statement in the Prime timeline even though those Klingons may have had more advanced technology than the Fed of the time - it still shouldn't change what happens afterward some 100 - 150 years later.

        That's honestly the one thing I was worried about them going back in time with Enterprise while it did correct or clarify a few things... it was also the only new TV series to only last 5 years not 7.

        While I think the writers choose to explore the period the Klingons were at War and more violent towards the Federation will gather interest; it also potentially creates problems to resolve... having Klingons looking so drastically different in the past (yet again) at some point there has to be an explanation how the modern Movies / TNG / DS9 / Voyager Klingons look as they do.

        Perhaps it might just state many Klingons were augmented, just some took it far further than others, why we then see some looking almost human in ToS. Yet in the early trek movies and TNG they look more like a hybrid between what we've see with Discovery today and those shown on ToS -- perhaps why the Movies and TNG they mostly seem to be a middle ground between the two?
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      • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,541 Community Moderator
        strathkin wrote: »
        While I think the writers choose to explore the period the Klingons were at War and more violent towards the Federation will gather interest; it also potentially creates problems to resolve... having Klingons looking so drastically different in the past (yet again) at some point there has to be an explanation how the modern Movies / TNG / DS9 / Voyager Klingons look as they do.

        Perhaps it might just state many Klingons were augmented, just some took it far further than others, why we then see some looking almost human in ToS. Yet in the early trek movies and TNG they look more like a hybrid between what we've see with Discovery today and those shown on ToS -- perhaps why the Movies and TNG they mostly seem to be a middle ground between the two?

        Well... word is floating around that not only will different Klingon houses have different ships to show the Empire isn't as united as it will be in TOS, but that Klingons themselves from each house will have different appearances. Also... my theory is that not ALL Klingons were affected by the Augment Virus that made them look more human in TOS. We may very well see TOS style Klingons later in the series as well.

        As to the look of the Klingons in the movies and TNG... Enterprise also showed Klingons with ridges.
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        I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
        The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
      • postinggumpostinggum Member Posts: 1,117 Arc User
        Luna is similar and can be built compact or more elegant. I think there might even be a mirror version with an odd paint scheme.
      • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
        I do think that the Heavy-escort/escort-carrier class (Akira and Armitage) do look very similar to the walker class. Though when I look at it and think of the ship classes that we do not have a tier six of yet, one ship does kinda pop up that I honestly think with some tweaking could fit it would be the Patrol escort actually. The walker class though is still quite abit closer to the heavy escort/escort carrier class though than any so far as i can tell, yet with the heavy escort/escort carrier already having a tier six version I hope they might look to using another class.
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      • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,541 Community Moderator

        None, they all give me the pure Star Trek vibe. =3

        Unless they are the JJTrek garbage scows, then they just give me the vibe to throw up.

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        Sup?
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        I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
        The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
      • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
        really? i mean...it's right there in the opening paragraph - Walker Class

        http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Shenzhou​​

        As @angrytarg likes to remind us, Mem alpha isn't a completely reliable source for accurate information due to the fact anyone can edit information. Also there is no mention anywhere on it's class in the pilot episodes, so it's hard to verify that with any accuracy and it is mentioned as such when heading here: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Walker_class then scrolling to the bottom and going here: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Memory_Alpha:Stub .
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      • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
        it's walker class until such a time that onscreen material contradicts it, same with akira class, caitians and klingons getting cloak from their alliance with the romulans between TOS and TsfS - the latter of which was just overwritten by discovery​​
        Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

        #LegalizeAwoo

        A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
        An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
        A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
        A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


        "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
        "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
        Passion and Serenity are one.
        I gain power by understanding both.
        In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
        I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
        The Force is united within me.
      • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
        it's walker class until such a time that onscreen material contradicts it, same with akira class, caitians and klingons getting cloak from their alliance with the romulans between TOS and TsfS - the latter of which was just overwritten by discovery​​

        Alright thats cool.
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      • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
        rattler2 wrote: »
        Well... word is floating around that not only will different Klingon houses have different ships to show the Empire isn't as united as it will be in TOS, but that Klingons themselves from each house will have different appearances.
        There was some misunderstanding. The Klingons all have the same physiology. They said this at the San Diego Comic Con (and showed off the Klingon skulls). In the second part of the "Discovery" pilot, we see several members of the Great Houses. All with the same physiology, but drastically different wardrobes. None of the outfits really looked like anything we had previously seen (much like all the Klingon ships looked nothing like we have previously seen). I believe this was to exaggerate the differences between the Great Houses, which is implied to be a central theme to the first season.
      • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
        I do believe that they have said that eventually they will explain the Klingons strange appearance.
      • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
        lordgyor wrote: »
        I do believe that they have said that eventually they will explain the Klingons strange appearance.
        They already did.
        Obviously the hair was the biggest thing people noticed, or the lack thereof. And I will attest to the fact there is a reason my ridge goes back the way it does. There are sensors and pheromones…There is a whole reasoning behind it that is adhering to what has always been true in Klingon canon…So I deeply believe we are in line with what has come before but is also adding a new kind of nuance.
        Discovery will provide a genetic reason for the forehead ridges, according to Aaron Harberts, one of the showrunners that replaced Bryan Fuller. Klingons will be "sexy and vital and different. There were discussions that got deep into their biology and sculpture.”
      • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
        Only House T'Kuvma had cloaking technology. Where he got it we don't know yet, but they have been wandering around the 'galaxy' for some time. There was also a comment/query in one of the plethora of Threads about how T'Kuvma's ship could have rammed the USS Europa and not be damaged later in the episode. If you listened carefully T'Kuvma stated his SHIPS have the cloaking technology. It was another of his ships that rammed.
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        'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
        l don't know.
        l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
        That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
        Lt. Philip J. Minns
      • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
        edited September 2017
        and we wouldn't have to listen carefully to hear that if they didn't pack a foot of makeup on him along with other useless prosthetics that make what would be otherwise clearly recognizable speech into a mess of mumbles, murmurs and other unrecognizable-as-speech sounds​​
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        #LegalizeAwoo

        A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
        An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
        A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
        A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


        "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
        "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
        Passion and Serenity are one.
        I gain power by understanding both.
        In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
        I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
        The Force is united within me.
      • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
        it's walker class until such a time that onscreen material contradicts it, same with akira class, caitians and klingons getting cloak from their alliance with the romulans between TOS and TsfS - the latter of which was just overwritten by discovery

        Not it's not. It's completely unknown until a canon answer is provided.. Just like the unnamed ship class in FC and DS9, M'Ress' unnamed species, and Klingons obtaining cloaks by unknown means.

        Just because MA uses non-canon material to fill in gaps (as well as their own unsourced headcanon they pass off as fact) that dosn't mean it's right.

        I'll admit I use Caitian, Akira, and Walker because they're shorter words than describing the ships, I certainly would't just decide a bit of lore is canon just because it appears in some book somewhere. It was also contradicted by ENT, TNG, and 09 well before DSC.​​
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      • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
        edited September 2017
        artan42 wrote: »
        it's walker class until such a time that onscreen material contradicts it, same with akira class, caitians and klingons getting cloak from their alliance with the romulans between TOS and TsfS - the latter of which was just overwritten by discovery

        Not it's not. It's completely unknown until a canon answer is provided.. Just like the unnamed ship class in FC and DS9, M'Ress' unnamed species, and Klingons obtaining cloaks by unknown means.

        Just because MA uses non-canon material to fill in gaps (as well as their own unsourced headcanon they pass off as fact) that dosn't mean it's right.

        I'll admit I use Caitian, Akira, and Walker because they're shorter words than describing the ships, I certainly would't just decide a bit of lore is canon just because it appears in some book somewhere. It was also contradicted by ENT, TNG, and 09 well before DSC.

        TRIBBLE that; i'm not using 'unknown ship class' in conversations

        it's walker class, and if you have a problem with it, you can go TRIBBLE yourself​​
        Like special weapons from other Star Trek games? Wondering if they can be replicated in STO even a little bit? Check this out: https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1262277/a-mostly-comprehensive-guide-to-star-trek-videogame-special-weapons-and-their-sto-equivalents

        #LegalizeAwoo

        A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
        An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
        A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
        A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


        "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
        "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
        Passion and Serenity are one.
        I gain power by understanding both.
        In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
        I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
        The Force is united within me.
      • rangeramongyourangeramongyou Member Posts: 43 Arc User
        Speaking from a purely visual point of reference, the closest ship we have to the Shenzhou would actually be the Centaur class.
        The layout is almost identical, and I'm willing to bet that the proportions ( saucer to underslung hull to pylons to nacelles) aren't that far off either.
      • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
        artan42 wrote: »
        it's walker class until such a time that onscreen material contradicts it, same with akira class, caitians and klingons getting cloak from their alliance with the romulans between TOS and TsfS - the latter of which was just overwritten by discovery

        Not it's not. It's completely unknown until a canon answer is provided.. Just like the unnamed ship class in FC and DS9, M'Ress' unnamed species, and Klingons obtaining cloaks by unknown means.

        Just because MA uses non-canon material to fill in gaps (as well as their own unsourced headcanon they pass off as fact) that dosn't mean it's right.

        I'll admit I use Caitian, Akira, and Walker because they're shorter words than describing the ships, I certainly would't just decide a bit of lore is canon just because it appears in some book somewhere. It was also contradicted by ENT, TNG, and 09 well before DSC.​​

        At this point they need to be called something, as far as a ship class is concerned until such time it is officially seen or spoken on screen otherwise it needs a name.
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