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can we get an option to skip the Kobali
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I didn't really like those missions the first time on Kobali Prime, I would love an option to skip the ground story arc all together.
"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment... because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we lived" Picard to Riker
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Okay we didn't know at first. I don't really see there is an official war with the Vaadwaur this early on in the game. Yet Starfleet is taking Kobali's side in this conflict?
Why didn't we help out Obisek against the Romulans then?
The only one who seems to agree with me is Captain Harry Kim, but that Benzite Maco woman who seems to have a fetish for combat keeps shutting him down. lol.
Just another reason in a long line of why one should be proud to be KDF or Imperial Romulan, and be glad Cryptic does offer alien ships from species like the Vaadwaur, Herald, Tal'Shiar, Na'kuhl, Terran, etc.
When I play Federation and buy their ships, it's in the footsteps of Picard, who questioned orders, struggled with moral dilemmas, negotiated and fought from positions of vulnerability, made mistakes and learned along the way, and acted as a true and realistic Captain and Admiral, and not the atrocious nonsense in which feds are portrayed elsewhere including in most of STO.
Plus, they asked for help as opposed to the Alliance intervening on its own initiative because at this point, the Vaadwaur are considered a dangerous threat to everyone in the Delta Quadrant, so for the allied commanders, the Kobali are just other victims who need help, they don't know the full story about the war.
That pretty sums up why i don't like that storyarc. It's totally one-sided, and it's almost as if we are bossed around into rooting for the Kobali, which i don't. If anything, that whole sterility thing is clearly said to be the fault of their ancestors who were foolish enough to tamper with their DNA, so they essentially brought this upon themselves.
The issue is you can't both say help us and do not get involved thanks to the prime directive.
The Kobali asked for help then hid the reason for the assaults from us.
While being confronted on this a benzite officer orders Captain Kim down citing the Prime Directive. We may not change the Kobali and this is an internal matter.
That being the case we should follow Picard's example. Fine. We will not interfere, oh and helping you is interfering as well.
The right thing from a Kirk perspective is the civilian, I emphasis that because the scans showed these were not military. The civilian pods that are intact should be returned to the Vaadwuar. Even if it does not stop the attacks. Because these are non-combatants. If you don't want to return them. Wake them up and put them on a colony. Don't leave them to be food. The Romulan Republic did not stand for it from the Elachi. No one stands for it from the borg or the Devidians. The Kobali can keep the presently broken pods.
Edit to add reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiosis_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Agreed. And if anything, i think people tend to forget that the Voyager crew originally survived the Vaadwaur's ruse thanks to one of them (Gedrin), who sacrificed his life in the process.
Arguably, as soon as The Captain sees the stasis tubes, that should be where the Kobali arc ends, with them beaming out with a 'sorry, we can't help you anymore' speech. The newly resurrected Harry, could be cause for luring us back into the affair, and the Vaadwaur are being an issue in their own right anyway, but the Alliance captains, should not be having to assist the Kobali, as they were deliberately allowing people to die so they could used the corpses, and made a lie of ommission in not explaining why the Vaadwaur were attacking the temple. Frak the Kobali. Graverobbing motherfrakers...
To be honest, there's nothing in the Kobali arc truly worth receiving anyway, so it's no loss to simply ignore it all and move on
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I just feels like it was tossed in as a filler for the Delta Rising in my honest opinion.
"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment... because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we lived" Picard to Riker
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Under any other plot circumstances, the Kobali could just as easily have been seen as active antagonists like the Vidiians were. Do you not understand that the Kobali had a moral obligation to help those in stasis, rather than allowing them to die? Or does 'being an alien' excuse them from the basic obligation of having to render assistance to those in need?
Because that's the point, when the Alliance learns that the Kobali have been lying to them, and actively brought the wrath of the Vaadwaur upon themselves. It's an internal affair, which Starfleet should recuse itself from, other than to potentially act as a mediator between the two factions, not to pick a side (the wrong side) and continue supporting said wrong side, upon learning the truth. Picard refused to help Gowron during the Klingon civil war, despite a direct request for assistance. If Picard can refuse to help, then IMO that should be an option for our characters to take as well
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
What do you mean there is nothing worth fighting for on Kobali Prime? Ancient Power Cells and Iconian Data Probes. I like the Zone and Story Arc.
After what they did to the Talaxians at the Base justice is required. Only the senior echelon of Officers were Bluegill influenced. The common soldiers were 'only following orders'. That did not hold up at Nuremberg and it won't here either.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
however, if you want to be able to GET to the open missions easily, then you HAVE to do the story since the transporters are tied to it
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I like the ground zone too, but that doesn't blind me to the moral failing which the story railroads the player into being complicit with.
If there was angst about it before, and angst about it now, is that not a sign that people feel strongly about it?
Sure, Justice was required for what Gaul and his soldiers did on the Talaxian base. The people in the pods, had nothing to do with that. The story moves into a direct action against the Vaadwaur, and with Eldex's assistance. There's no reason to remove those aspects of the storyline, but they should be much more clearly dilineated as part of a peacekeeping/judicial action, and the Kobali sequence should have the option for the captain to say 'we're not helping you with this, but we will facilitate a summit' (nice for some diplomacy points, perhaps) rather than having to continue repelling and directly attacking the Vaadwaur. Harry is reflecting Starfleet practice, the Benzite MACO, is just looking to keep carving notches in the butt of her rifle.
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment... because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we lived" Picard to Riker
In DS9, it was clarified that the Starfleet of Kirks Era and even Picards era just a few years earlier was Dead. By the time of Insurrection/S5 DS9, we see a Starfleet whose moral practices have changed somewhat. Do whatever it takes to protect our borders. The Federation charter had actually been unofficially suspended according to Admiral Ross.
Whilst I acknowledged that the Vaadwaur weren't necessarily doing things the right way, they were only attempting to protect the territory they felt was rightly theirs. I actually felt for Gaul, I could understand why he was doing this. Given the choice, I would have joined and brought the Kobali to heel.
They could have at least asked if they could use the dead bodies as new Kobali, instead of just assuming. Also, the Kobali in my eyes should have accepted their fate and realised just how dangerous the whole Genetic Engineering thing was. It surprised me that Starfleet even supported the Genetic Engineering given their own history.
No, Given the choice, I would have helped the Vaadwaur destroy the Kobali. The Kobali no longer had the right to exist as they did. They should have accepted that nature was bringing their race to an end. And it disgusted me that I was even asked to help out in the temple.
And so, I fall back on a quote from Cicero, used in DS9 to describe where Starfleet felt they had reached - Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - "In times of war, the law falls silent". And then Bashirs' answer - "Is that what we've become? A 24th Century Rome, driven by the certainty that Caesar can do no wrong?!!"