> @brian334 said:
> New Orleans class predates the Dominion war era. It is obviously built with a Galaxy hull, (because it was built with a Galaxy model kit,) but it is smaller in canon. I can't buy it as a Galaxy prototype, but it could have been a testbed for aspects of the Galaxy design, such as weapons. It maybe a case of simultaneous design of mutually supporting fleet elements, with a Galaxy flagship cruiser, a Nebula workhorse cruiser, and a New Orleans escort cruiser, each designed simultaneuosly to offer complimentary assets required by a modern fleet.
Dominion war, yes - but not the Federation- Cardassian war.
Actually, the USS Rutledge, O'Brien's ship before the Enterprise fought in the Cardassian Wars from at least 2347, was an New Orleans Class according to the Star Trek Encyclopedia and Michael Okuda.
Twisting that quite a bit..
The Star Trek Encyclopedia lists the Rutlidge as New Orleans Class, but the class of the Rutlidge was never given on screen. It doesn't even specify if it's the same Rutlidge that O'Brien was on. The class of O'Briens ship is listed as 'uncertain.'
Okuda's comments were on the U.S.S. Kyushu, not the Rutlidge.
The Okudas wrote the Encyclopedia and it doesn't differentiate if O'Brien's ship is different from the New Orleans one as they are in the same entry.
The Okudas wrote the Encyclopedia and it doesn't differentiate if O'Brien's ship is different from the New Orleans one as they are in the same entry.
Considering that O'Brien transfered to the Rutledge in 2346 and the New Orleans Class is based on the Galaxy which didn't go into production until the late 2350's, there is no feasible way that O'Brien's ship was New Orleans Class.
Unless you believe that the New Orleans somehow pre-dates the Galaxy Class by almost 100 years.
She's a beautiful design that i'd happily pay money to see in the game and at t6 as well.
I would love to see this ship in the game at T6 and/or Fleet T6. It seems like it would be a blend of Eng and Sci since it has those pods. It could be the first Cruiser to have a Secondary Deflector slot and be similar to the Oddy with the Sensor Scan. I would give it a 4/3 weapons layout. As for Spec Tree additions, I would say Intel would work best. Definitely a ship worth bring to STO.
> @seaofsorrows said: > eldarion79 wrote: » > > > The Okudas wrote the Encyclopedia and it doesn't differentiate if O'Brien's ship is different from the New Orleans one as they are in the same entry. > > > > > Considering that O'Brien transfered to the Rutledge in 2346 and the New Orleans Class is based on the Galaxy which didn't go into production until the late 2350's, there is no feasible way that O'Brien's ship was New Orleans Class. > > Unless you believe that the New Orleans somehow pre-dates the Galaxy Class by almost 100 years.
According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia the Rutledge was a New Orleans-class starship. It's mentioned as a source on the Star Trek wiki. Not sure how canon you'd consider that, but it is there.
Submarines are properly called "boats" not "ships."
Well yes and no. I am a former submariner so this is the gospel. The traditon of calling a sub a "Boat" dates back to the earliest days of the force with the Holland class subs. In those days they had a very short range and no berthing or even a bathroom to speak of. To get to where they were to be deployed and also to prvide berthing tot he crew the very small subs were hoisted onto a tenderd deck much like a small boat hence the term boat for a sub. Over time subs got the nickname "pig boats" from the smells of fuel, sweat, grime and frankly the slop bucket used to releive one self on board. As they grew larger the conditions improved and finally left those horrors in the past. However to set our selves apart and also acknowledge those early pioneers (Who frankly had boulders in thier crotch. They were something else those early bubbleheads.) we kept the tradition of calling our ships "boats" even though in offical terms they are in fact ships both SSBN's and SSN's. It's like engineering rates are called "Snipes" or calling an aviation rate an "Airdale" all traditions that are unoffical but anyone in the Navy would know what a snipe or airdale. My boat was a 640 Franklin class that were the definitive SSBN until the Ohio class came into service in the 80's and she was one of the 41 For Freedom. MM3 SS U.S.S. Henry L. Stimson SSBN 655.
According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia the Rutledge was a New Orleans-class starship. It's mentioned as a source on the Star Trek wiki. Not sure how canon you'd consider that, but it is there.
I'm aware of this. What it doesn't say however, is rather or not there was more then one Rutledge, or if the ship was ever recommissioned. Unless the ship was from the future, the ship that served in the Cardassian Wars could not have been the same New Orleans class we're talking about here.
As far as the Wiki is concerned, if you look up the Rutledge, the class listed is 'uncertain.' This is because the encyclopedia designation makes absolutely no sense.
Is it possible that the New Orleans class could've been a testbed for the Galaxy class, thereby predating the Galaxy and allowing for the Rutledge to be such a ship?
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Is it possible that the New Orleans class could've been a testbed for the Galaxy class, thereby predating the Galaxy and allowing for the Rutledge to be such a ship?
Seems as good of a guess as any. Though that would still put the designs 100 years apart, but I suppose stranger things have happened.
Like you and everyone else though, I'm just guessing. Honestly, I don't think even the writers know..they just threw in Rutledge on the New Orleans page because it seemed like a fun thing to do.
Is it possible that the New Orleans class could've been a testbed for the Galaxy class, thereby predating the Galaxy and allowing for the Rutledge to be such a ship?
Seems as good of a guess as any. Though that would still put the designs 100 years apart, but I suppose stranger things have happened.
Like you and everyone else though, I'm just guessing. Honestly, I don't think even the writers know..they just threw in Rutledge on the New Orleans page because it seemed like a fun thing to do.
Where does this hundred years thing come from? They are obvious contemporaries by their appearance. A test platform need only be a couple of years older than the vessel it's testing for.
This idea would be supported by the presence of the modular mission pods. As a test bed for new tech, it would be a simple matter to attach the item being tested to a pod mounting hardpoint if yhe device was too large to fit inside a pod for testing.
Is it possible that the New Orleans class could've been a testbed for the Galaxy class, thereby predating the Galaxy and allowing for the Rutledge to be such a ship?
Seems as good of a guess as any. Though that would still put the designs 100 years apart, but I suppose stranger things have happened.
Like you and everyone else though, I'm just guessing. Honestly, I don't think even the writers know..they just threw in Rutledge on the New Orleans page because it seemed like a fun thing to do.
Where does this hundred years thing come from? They are obvious contemporaries by their appearance. A test platform need only be a couple of years older than the vessel it's testing for.
This idea would be supported by the presence of the modular mission pods. As a test bed for new tech, it would be a simple matter to attach the item being tested to a pod mounting hardpoint if yhe device was too large to fit inside a pod for testing.
You're right, I screwed up the math on that.. misread a date.
They are close enough that the New Orleans could have been a prototype or early design for the Galaxy Class. This would make far more sense then the other way around where the Galaxy inspired the New Orleans since the New Orleans would have had to be in service first in order to be active in the Cardassian Wars.
Honestly, I am not a huge fan of the Galaxy Class, never have been.. but the funny thing is, I like both of it's closest variants (Nebula, New Orleans.) The only one of the 3 I don't like is the actual Galaxy Class.
I bet the New Orleans would probably sell pretty well as a STO ship. At this point, they're running out of ship designs anyway, so might as well give this one a look.
But only after the T6 Nova, that one has to be first.
Is it possible that the New Orleans class could've been a testbed for the Galaxy class, thereby predating the Galaxy and allowing for the Rutledge to be such a ship?
Seems as good of a guess as any. Though that would still put the designs 100 years apart, but I suppose stranger things have happened.
Like you and everyone else though, I'm just guessing. Honestly, I don't think even the writers know..they just threw in Rutledge on the New Orleans page because it seemed like a fun thing to do.
Where does this hundred years thing come from? They are obvious contemporaries by their appearance. A test platform need only be a couple of years older than the vessel it's testing for.
This idea would be supported by the presence of the modular mission pods. As a test bed for new tech, it would be a simple matter to attach the item being tested to a pod mounting hardpoint if yhe device was too large to fit inside a pod for testing.
You're right, I screwed up the math on that.. misread a date.
They are close enough that the New Orleans could have been a prototype or early design for the Galaxy Class. This would make far more sense then the other way around where the Galaxy inspired the New Orleans since the New Orleans would have had to be in service first in order to be active in the Cardassian Wars.
Honestly, I am not a huge fan of the Galaxy Class, never have been.. but the funny thing is, I like both of it's closest variants (Nebula, New Orleans.) The only one of the 3 I don't like is the actual Galaxy Class.
I bet the New Orleans would probably sell pretty well as a STO ship. At this point, they're running out of ship designs anyway, so might as well give this one a look.
But only after the T6 Nova, that one has to be first.
T6 vor'cha...than T6 nova (or at the same time).
I don't like the galaxy or nebula, but this one actually looks interesting to me.
I had written a piece about the ship classification system and how Trek used names that sound cool as opposed to following the traditional meanings of ship types. Most responders seemed to agree that in Trek the words cruiser, destroyer, and frigate only mattered so far as how they sounded compared to the ship name. So Miranda is a light cruiser and Constitution is a heavy cruiser, and they are otherwise the same.
Assuming those pods are torpedo systems, the New Orleans would make a fine raider. But this would require three of the four forward weapons to be torpedoes. Unless they are heavy weapons pods. I could also see them as lances or deflectors or exotic particle emitters. This is the reason I'm not certain what kind of ship New Orleans is supposed to be: with those pods it could be anything.
I had written a piece about the ship classification system and how Trek used names that sound cool as opposed to following the traditional meanings of ship types. Most responders seemed to agree that in Trek the words cruiser, destroyer, and frigate only mattered so far as how they sounded compared to the ship name. So Miranda is a light cruiser and Constitution is a heavy cruiser, and they are otherwise the same.
Assuming those pods are torpedo systems, the New Orleans would make a fine raider. But this would require three of the four forward weapons to be torpedoes. Unless they are heavy weapons pods. I could also see them as lances or deflectors or exotic particle emitters. This is the reason I'm not certain what kind of ship New Orleans is supposed to be: with those pods it could be anything.
Tbh escorts are by definition frigates so if new orleans was brought ingame it would be an escort.
Looking at the design the top pods are more then likely torp launchers , the bottom i think is a targeting sensor pod to help the ships targeting, because as low as its hung on the secondary hull it would not be very accurate nor even practicle to put a weapon there, however if its a sensor suite it would be in a very adventagous place for targeting, remember frigate are built for war not peace they usually are ships designed to give fire support to the larger ships.
Think of it this way the new orleans has all the firepower of a galaxy in a smaller package it is also much faster and can turn bettr at the cost of shields and armor, in a fleet battle lets say a galaxy or larger hips is in trouble the new orleans ould run intrference while the larger ship withdraws, now the enemy cannot ignore the frigate because of their firepower so by focusing on the frigate the larger ship can withdraw, they are also used to pick up survivors during combat.
Those are party pods. The top pods also broadcast jazz music. The bottom pod is a giant scoop. Enter atmosphere, go to to surface, and scoop up thousands of pounds of crustaceans from water bodies.
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Those are party pods. The top pods also broadcast jazz music. The bottom pod is a giant scoop. Enter atmosphere, go to to surface, and scoop up thousands of pounds of crustaceans from water bodies.
I like the crustacean-scoop idea, but in this case the pod must be detachable with its own aquatic propulsion system because all the best crustaceans are bottom feeders.
So, as a native New Orleanian Male, my only remaining question is, where do I set up the boiling pot?
I like the crustacean-scoop idea, but in this case the pod must be detachable with its own aquatic propulsion system because all the best crustaceans are bottom feeders.
So, as a native New Orleanian Male, my only remaining question is, where do I set up the boiling pot?
the ship's kitchen for small numbers, for epic parties or major emergencies the pod is also a pot?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Sounds like it could have Pilot BOFF abilities, but the Miranda has that. The turn rate on it should be higher than the Galaxy, possibly higher than the Excelsior. I would really like to see this in game. Of course, I tend to believe the pods are more like sensor dishes, so a Secondary Deflector would be nice. Hmm...this ship could be a blend of an Eng, Sci, Intel, and Pilot. I would keep Pilot and Intel abilities at Lt. with Eng getting Cmdr and Sci getting Lt. Cmdr. Tac could get Lt. I still believe a 4/3 setup would work well for this ship.
I like your thinking, velqua. Other ideas presented here are good as well.
This would make an excellent contest ship, in which players submit build concepts which are then reviewed and graded by forum volunteers to eliminate duplicate designs or obviously unbalanced ideas. The top 16 concepts are then reviewed and tweaked by the dev team, and the final designs set out for voting by the players using a weighted ballot type system in which players choose their first, second, and third place choices. First Place votes give six points, second place three, and third place one, which would potentially allow the majority second place pick a chance to win if everyone's first place pick is different.
Since no art or mechanical functions would be generated outside STO's development staff, Cryptic would have final say on all aspects of the issue.
I like the crustacean-scoop idea, but in this case the pod must be detachable with its own aquatic propulsion system because all the best crustaceans are bottom feeders.
So, as a native New Orleanian Male, my only remaining question is, where do I set up the boiling pot?
Nah, that's the emergency detachable pirogue!
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I like your thinking, velqua. Other ideas presented here are good as well.
This would make an excellent contest ship, in which players submit build concepts which are then reviewed and graded by forum volunteers to eliminate duplicate designs or obviously unbalanced ideas. The top 16 concepts are then reviewed and tweaked by the dev team, and the final designs set out for voting by the players using a weighted ballot type system in which players choose their first, second, and third place choices. First Place votes give six points, second place three, and third place one, which would potentially allow the majority second place pick a chance to win if everyone's first place pick is different.
Since no art or mechanical functions would be generated outside STO's development staff, Cryptic would have final say on all aspects of the issue.
Ooo... I like this idea! Even if the Devs don't do it, we should create a separate thread for players to post their build designs for this ship. Heck, I might even start it. It would be interesting to see how players make their version of this ship. I know I have a few ideas as I have mentioned in previous posts.
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The Okudas wrote the Encyclopedia and it doesn't differentiate if O'Brien's ship is different from the New Orleans one as they are in the same entry.
Considering that O'Brien transfered to the Rutledge in 2346 and the New Orleans Class is based on the Galaxy which didn't go into production until the late 2350's, there is no feasible way that O'Brien's ship was New Orleans Class.
Unless you believe that the New Orleans somehow pre-dates the Galaxy Class by almost 100 years.
I would love to see this ship in the game at T6 and/or Fleet T6. It seems like it would be a blend of Eng and Sci since it has those pods. It could be the first Cruiser to have a Secondary Deflector slot and be similar to the Oddy with the Sensor Scan. I would give it a 4/3 weapons layout. As for Spec Tree additions, I would say Intel would work best. Definitely a ship worth bring to STO.
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> Considering that O'Brien transfered to the Rutledge in 2346 and the New Orleans Class is based on the Galaxy which didn't go into production until the late 2350's, there is no feasible way that O'Brien's ship was New Orleans Class.
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> Unless you believe that the New Orleans somehow pre-dates the Galaxy Class by almost 100 years.
According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia the Rutledge was a New Orleans-class starship. It's mentioned as a source on the Star Trek wiki. Not sure how canon you'd consider that, but it is there.
You sir won the thread ty all or playing
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I'm aware of this. What it doesn't say however, is rather or not there was more then one Rutledge, or if the ship was ever recommissioned. Unless the ship was from the future, the ship that served in the Cardassian Wars could not have been the same New Orleans class we're talking about here.
As far as the Wiki is concerned, if you look up the Rutledge, the class listed is 'uncertain.' This is because the encyclopedia designation makes absolutely no sense.
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Seems as good of a guess as any. Though that would still put the designs 100 years apart, but I suppose stranger things have happened.
Like you and everyone else though, I'm just guessing. Honestly, I don't think even the writers know..they just threw in Rutledge on the New Orleans page because it seemed like a fun thing to do.
Where does this hundred years thing come from? They are obvious contemporaries by their appearance. A test platform need only be a couple of years older than the vessel it's testing for.
This idea would be supported by the presence of the modular mission pods. As a test bed for new tech, it would be a simple matter to attach the item being tested to a pod mounting hardpoint if yhe device was too large to fit inside a pod for testing.
You're right, I screwed up the math on that.. misread a date.
They are close enough that the New Orleans could have been a prototype or early design for the Galaxy Class. This would make far more sense then the other way around where the Galaxy inspired the New Orleans since the New Orleans would have had to be in service first in order to be active in the Cardassian Wars.
Honestly, I am not a huge fan of the Galaxy Class, never have been.. but the funny thing is, I like both of it's closest variants (Nebula, New Orleans.) The only one of the 3 I don't like is the actual Galaxy Class.
I bet the New Orleans would probably sell pretty well as a STO ship. At this point, they're running out of ship designs anyway, so might as well give this one a look.
But only after the T6 Nova, that one has to be first.
Good call... the T6 Vor'Cha is WAY overdue.
I still can't believe we don't have one yet.
Exactly what role does a Frigate play in STO?
I had written a piece about the ship classification system and how Trek used names that sound cool as opposed to following the traditional meanings of ship types. Most responders seemed to agree that in Trek the words cruiser, destroyer, and frigate only mattered so far as how they sounded compared to the ship name. So Miranda is a light cruiser and Constitution is a heavy cruiser, and they are otherwise the same.
Assuming those pods are torpedo systems, the New Orleans would make a fine raider. But this would require three of the four forward weapons to be torpedoes. Unless they are heavy weapons pods. I could also see them as lances or deflectors or exotic particle emitters. This is the reason I'm not certain what kind of ship New Orleans is supposed to be: with those pods it could be anything.
Tbh escorts are by definition frigates so if new orleans was brought ingame it would be an escort.
Looking at the design the top pods are more then likely torp launchers , the bottom i think is a targeting sensor pod to help the ships targeting, because as low as its hung on the secondary hull it would not be very accurate nor even practicle to put a weapon there, however if its a sensor suite it would be in a very adventagous place for targeting, remember frigate are built for war not peace they usually are ships designed to give fire support to the larger ships.
Think of it this way the new orleans has all the firepower of a galaxy in a smaller package it is also much faster and can turn bettr at the cost of shields and armor, in a fleet battle lets say a galaxy or larger hips is in trouble the new orleans ould run intrference while the larger ship withdraws, now the enemy cannot ignore the frigate because of their firepower so by focusing on the frigate the larger ship can withdraw, they are also used to pick up survivors during combat.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I like how you think im all for a party boat lol
So, as a native New Orleanian Male, my only remaining question is, where do I set up the boiling pot?
the ship's kitchen for small numbers, for epic parties or major emergencies the pod is also a pot?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Sounds like it could have Pilot BOFF abilities, but the Miranda has that. The turn rate on it should be higher than the Galaxy, possibly higher than the Excelsior. I would really like to see this in game. Of course, I tend to believe the pods are more like sensor dishes, so a Secondary Deflector would be nice. Hmm...this ship could be a blend of an Eng, Sci, Intel, and Pilot. I would keep Pilot and Intel abilities at Lt. with Eng getting Cmdr and Sci getting Lt. Cmdr. Tac could get Lt. I still believe a 4/3 setup would work well for this ship.
This would make an excellent contest ship, in which players submit build concepts which are then reviewed and graded by forum volunteers to eliminate duplicate designs or obviously unbalanced ideas. The top 16 concepts are then reviewed and tweaked by the dev team, and the final designs set out for voting by the players using a weighted ballot type system in which players choose their first, second, and third place choices. First Place votes give six points, second place three, and third place one, which would potentially allow the majority second place pick a chance to win if everyone's first place pick is different.
Since no art or mechanical functions would be generated outside STO's development staff, Cryptic would have final say on all aspects of the issue.
the only space craft in STO actually called "frigate" in STO I am aware off is a largest type of hangar pet.....
and then personally I don;t really care hwo exacly cryptic will call the thing - would love to see it in game any way
For the playable factions, at least.
This. Although the Breen frigates are actually the Plesh Brek Heavy Raiders we can fly at T5. Most likely getting a T6 this Winter.
Nah, that's the emergency detachable pirogue!
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Ooo... I like this idea! Even if the Devs don't do it, we should create a separate thread for players to post their build designs for this ship. Heck, I might even start it. It would be interesting to see how players make their version of this ship. I know I have a few ideas as I have mentioned in previous posts.